The Fan versus the Fangirl

[Dee3Dee]

Originally Posted by Kati

Yes, stalking a hairdresser or family members on twitter or writing sexual fantasies to web is creepy

Originally Posted by Kati

but so is going to nine gigs on a tour or calling band members liars when they do not obey some poll results on songs to perform.

You're right, they're both equally creepy.

Or maybe not.

[Kueller917]

Originally Posted by Dee3Dee

You're right, they're both equally creepy.

Or maybe not.

Fangirl-type followers can include all levels of obsessiveness, it doesn't always have to be the creepy type.
I know Kati implied differently but it can still be considered overly obsessive.

[Dee3Dee]

Originally Posted by Kueller917

Fangirl-type followers can include all levels of obsessiveness, it doesn't always have to be creepy.

But that's what the post said; that it's creepy.

Obviously there are different levels of obsessiveness. I'm obsessed with wanting them not to play mediocre gigs all the time.

[FabriPav]

Originally Posted by Cindykt-OvertureThief

Yeah, I enjoy those ridiculous videos and the like on the internet, just like I enjoy the Annoying Orange

That's so 2009

[Oh Hannah]

Originally Posted by Furygirl

If Matt had an aversion to vultures/paps, he shouldn't have hooked up with that Kate girl. Not that his fame excuses the behavior of the more fanatical fans (they'd be around regardless of his "LA lifestyle"), but I'm sure he had to know what to expect once he got himself "involved".

Sorry to sound soppy and all but you can't help who you fall in love with. I admire Matt for being with Kate when he has often expressed his aversion to the glamour side of fame, didn't he say something about the more cars you have makes you a bigger dick? But obviously he cares enough about Kate to take everything that comes with it, and take if very well I would say. It is annoying that paparazzi only take an interest in Matt because of Kate, it should be because of his talents, or just leave him alone, but not as sad as the interest they take in their children. Obviously this is just how things are with paparazzi. But I don't think you can 'blame' Matt for being with Kate if that's who he wants to be with. I can't believe he is with her to get more fame so I wish people could just respect their family like they respect chris', or any others.

Sorry I know this has been moved on from now and I'm not getting at your point I just feel it needs to be said

[L.]

Can we please drop the relationship discussion and speculations? Thanks

[Cindykt-OvertureThief]

Originally Posted by FabriPav

That's so 2009

Indeed, but I enjoy The Resistance too.

[Kati]

Originally Posted by L.

Can we please drop the relationship discussion and speculations? Thanks

Would you please clarify what you mean by speculation? I know I went to danger zone when I said that celebrities who openly talk about their private lives in interviews and get butthurt about paps are creepy, but I tried to keep that on general level because imo it has significance to discussion about what is too much fan obsession. So was that speculation?

Btw I agree with jdeboer01 on her post about the relationship between paps and celebrities. They both know what they are doing, and the celebrity culture that makes some people millionaires needs the paps. It would be a task for legislation to change the celebrity culture, not for fans, but afaik there is not even a discussion about that in US (I find it telling that in some European countries publishing pictures of celebs' children is illegal, but not in US or UK, which have the most developed and powerful entertainment industries).

To clarify my thoughts about fangirl/boy obsessions, I didn't say that twitter stalking or going to nine gigs on a tour are just equally creepy. In my opinion though both are creepy, and both cross the line of reason. Unlike others though maybe, I think the line of reason is not only defined by how we treat the celebrities, but also how we treat ourselves when spending time on fangirling. As long as it is for fun and does not have effect on the normal life it's more or less ok in my eyes, but when people start spending considerable amounts of money and time and then get disappointed when all that effort does not give expected breath taking experience, it is creepy. Creepy because such people put too much expectations to something which is after all three guys playing songs we all know on stage, some fancy laser lights and videos and tens of thousands of people getting uncomfortably packed together watching the show. Probably the band doesn't mind such behaviour as it doesn't exactly harm them (and Dee3Dee's ranting about the quality of gigs has lost all credibility by now so that's not harming them either) but that doesn't make it non-creepy in my eyes.

But yeah, tweeting everyone who tweets about a member of the band or his girlfriend to ask for more information, as I've heard and seen some people to do, is even more creepy. Should we define a numerical scale for creepiness and start giving numbers to how creepy exactly something is and what is the limit where a person should seek for therapy? ( )

[Furygirl]

Originally Posted by Kati

Would you please clarify what you mean by speculation? I know I went to danger zone when I said that celebrities who openly talk about their private lives in interviews and get butthurt about paps are creepy, but I tried to keep that on general level because imo it has significance to discussion about what is too much fan obsession. So was that speculation?

To be safe, it's probably best to avoid discussing Matt/Kate/paps at all. Even though I was trying to be jokey, I was wrong to even make that recent post, and unfortunately deleted a subsequent one too late. It's a very touchy subject on here for sure.

I guess just try to keep it general to celebs in general I guess if it's something related to the topic.

Edit: I don't know how I accidentally put that arrow at the top of my post.

[L.]

Originally Posted by Furygirl

To be safe, it's probably best to avoid discussing Matt/Kate/paps at all. Even though I was trying to be jokey, I was wrong to even make that recent post, and unfortunately deleted a subsequent one too late. It's a very touchy subject on here for sure.

I guess just try to keep it general to celebs in general I guess if it's something related to the topic.

Edit: I don't know how I accidentally put that arrow at the top of my post.

Drunk posting Well we'll all been there.

Yes what I meant is speculating who should or shouldn't be with whom and the reasons why they are together.

[Kati]

Originally Posted by Kati

Should we define a numerical scale for creepiness and start giving numbers to how creepy exactly something is and what is the limit where a person should seek for therapy? ( )

Ouch, I did a dictionary search a bit too late and realised creepy means scary, not just weird and disgusting. In that case I have to say nothing that has been discussed in this thread is creepy (scary) only such fans who manage to sneak into celeb's hotel room or follow them to their homes are scary imo. Twitter stalking or expecting gigs to be breath taking experiences are just weird.

And Furygirl thanks for clarification.

[mjartrod]

Originally Posted by jamesoshea

Bellamy should be allowed to do what he wants to do. If he wants to marry the fracking queen he should be allowed to without being harassed. I understand what you are saying but you are basing it off of it being acceptable to follow people around and take photo's and videotape people (which is sadly our world today) but it still doesn't make it right.

that's basically what i think too. should bullying kids at school be acceptable just because it happens all the time? should we see it as part of growing up just because it makes it easier for us to deal with it?

obviously there are plenty attention whores in the entertainment industry but in regards to Muse, they obviously aren't in it for the celebrity aspect of it. they said it themselves many times - they used to be the biggest band the world hadn't heard of. they were selling out stadiums and even general music fans had no clue what they looked like

that is why i find it a bit disheartening to see muse fans encouraging this papparazzi and tabloid-y culture. coming across pics and gossip-y pieces of 'journalism' is one thing, i suppose but there's people out there (you know who you are) who seem to live off this crap and are constantly on the look for paparazzi pics and spreading them around, encouraging others to marvel at the wonder that it is to see someone walking down the road with a camera in their faces i have the feeling they would gladly accept this person (who they are supposed to admire...) to be locked in a big brother house with cameras trained on them 24/7.
/1984

just... ugh.

[Sippe]

Originally Posted by Kati

Ouch, I did a dictionary search a bit too late and realised creepy means scary, not just weird and disgusting.

You find people who go to 9 Muse gigs disgusting?

[mjartrod]

Originally Posted by Kati

but when people start spending considerable amounts of money and time and then get disappointed when all that effort does not give expected breath taking experience, it is creepy. Creepy because such people put too much expectations to something which is after all three guys playing songs we all know on stage, some fancy laser lights and videos and tens of thousands of people getting uncomfortably packed together watching the show. Probably the band doesn't mind such behaviour as it doesn't exactly harm them (and Dee3Dee's ranting about the quality of gigs has lost all credibility by now so that's not harming them either) but that doesn't make it non-creepy in my eyes.

+100000000000000000000000000000000000

Originally Posted by Kati

But yeah, tweeting everyone who tweets about a member of the band or his girlfriend to ask for more information, as I've heard and seen some people to do, is even more creepy. Should we define a numerical scale for creepiness and start giving numbers to how creepy exactly something is and what is the limit where a person should seek for therapy? ( )

perhaps a sort of quizz and see how one rates in it?

[Sippe]

Muse keeping their promises=Too high expectations.

lol.

Muse playing more than 15 songs a night=Too high expectations.

lol.