spanish/indian? Scales

[Alphadog]

Originally Posted by Lick My Face

This will explain it better than I could. Basically, it's half a semitone.

Aye haha I knew I was too tired to post the right thing!

[RyanM]

Originally Posted by Alphadog

If you were to play an A minor pentatonic scale and then play an A minor Mixolydian scale you'd here a distinct difference despite them both being in the same key.

i dont think they would be the same key... A mixolydian would be the key of D major/B minor

A minor pentatonic is in the key of a minor.


I have no idea about minor modes... didnt know there was such a thing... explain to me if so!

[Lick My Face]

Originally Posted by Alphadog

A quartertone is a musical measurement used to describe the pitch iirc. I can't remember all my theory right now as I'm exhausted.

One thing, a mode is used to describe what feel a scale will have when used. It's a way to express a certain tonality that the scales being used represents. So If you were to play an A minor pentatonic scale and then play an A minor Mixolydian scale you'd here a distinct difference despite them both being in the same key.

Except, as has been pointed out, A Myxolidian =/= A Minor. The minor scale in itself is a mode (specifically the Aelion Mode), so how you could have a Minor Myxolydian is quite baffling.

Either way, that would explain why they sound different.

Originally Posted by RyanM

i dont think they would be the same key... A mixolydian would be the key of D major/B minor

A minor pentatonic is in the key of a minor.


I have no idea about minor modes... didnt know there was such a thing... explain to me if so!

Well yeah, E Phrygian, for example, would be a Minor Mode, as it's based on its chord within the C Major scale, Em. Same would go for Dorian and Aelion. Ionian, Lydian and Myxolydian are Major Modes, and Locrian just doesn't really work.

[RyanM]

OH yeah is that due to the Diatonic triad scale degrees for the major scale? I ii iii IV V vi viio I ??

[Lick My Face]

Originally Posted by RyanM

OH yeah is that due to the Diatonic triad scale degrees for the major scale? I ii iii IV V vi viio I ??

Aye sir.

Also, for a MUCH better and clearer understanding of how best to use the Arabic Scale:


Never has hatred taken a more complete form musically, and all down to the Arabic Scale, I think.

[Alphadog]

Originally Posted by Lick My Face

Except, as has been pointed out, A Myxolidian =/= A Minor. The minor scale in itself is a mode (specifically the Aelion Mode), so how you could have a Minor Myxolydian is quite baffling.

Either way, that would explain why they sound different.



Well yeah, E Phrygian, for example, would be a Minor Mode, as it's based on its chord within the C Major scale, Em. Same would go for Dorian and Aelion. Ionian, Lydian and Myxolydian are Major Modes, and Locrian just doesn't really work.

Aye haha I'm a bit out of touch with my theory.

[Novus Dies]

Originally Posted by RyanM

hmm interesting... so if iam right stockholm syndrome is in D minor in that 2nd youtube link... then what phrygian mode does he play at the beginning of the video after the long sustained note... the one that descends ?

90% of muse songs are D minor.


anyway....go here


http://www.looknohands.com/chordhous.../index_rb.html

[08L1V10N on YouTube]

Matt Bellamy doesn't care about pointless things like scales and phrygian subordinate harmony frequencies but just plays what he likes to

[coffee_and_tv]

Originally Posted by 08L1V10N on YouTube

Matt Bellamy doesn't care about pointless things like scales and phrygian subordinate harmony frequencies but just plays what he likes to

[RyanM]

Originally Posted by 08L1V10N on YouTube

Matt Bellamy doesn't care about pointless things like scales and phrygian subordinate harmony frequencies but just plays what he likes to

lol. im sure he knows scales and doesnt just memorize every fret for every song... you have to know some structure..

btw, i think what he plays often matches the persian scale better than the arabic or prygian... i just made a modified version of it last night sounds really cool..

[milkybar=]]

Originally Posted by 08L1V10N on YouTube

Matt Bellamy doesn't care about pointless things like scales and phrygian subordinate harmony frequencies but just plays what he likes to

gotta be sig'd

[MuseMatt]

Indian Scales

[Flump]

Just to add to some of this mess. It seems like 90% of the stufff Muse plays is based off of the harmonic minor scale but with added notes...like if it were in D as it often is he uses:

D, E, F, Gb, G, A, Bb, C, C#, D

Harmnoic minor with the flat fifth and the natural minor 6th added in

[08L1V10N on YouTube]

Originally Posted by RyanM

lol. im sure he knows scales and doesnt just memorize every fret for every song... you have to know some structure..

btw, i think what he plays often matches the persian scale better than the arabic or prygian... i just made a modified version of it last night sounds really cool..

He knows the sounds his guitar makes when he plays.