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Old 25-10-2009, 10:14 PM   #31
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the real irony is that this could prove to be their own undoing, the choice they have is to with evolve or stagnate, and I really don't think they'll keep a lot of their core fanbase if they stay where they're at just now. however, maybe they're at that point now where they're just too big to fall back down
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Old 25-10-2009, 10:14 PM   #32
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C&P from the other thread...

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To clarify my thoughts. Stream of consciousness ALERT:

Muse have five proper studio albums now giving them a grand total of 57 songs to choose from. Add live favourite b-sides such as:

- Dead Star
- Fury
- The Groove
- Forced In
- Man Of Mystery
- Popcorn
- Osaka Jam/Helsinki Jam/Dracula Mountain

That's a grand total of over sixty viable songs they COULD play live. Now, I'm not expecting them to dig as depe as rolling out the likes of Sober, Overdue, Screenager, Falling Away With You, etc, but to suggest that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to rehearse songs they have played hundreds of times like Muscle Museum, Bliss, Micro Cuts, Apocalypse Please and Butterflies & Hurricanes and then drop in 2/3 of them per gig is absurd.

As for gig length, Muse's gigs on the OoS tour featured anything between 14 and 18 songs, the Absolution tour was usually between 17 and 19 songs (20 on occasions) and the BH&R tour between 16 and 20. When you're charging anything up to 45 for a ticket with a not OVERLY flashy stage show (c'mon, these towers are just screens with a few hydrolics, nout technical), 20 songs has got to be the benchmark at the very minimum. You can't start DECREASING your sets.

Setlist order could easily be shaken up for each gig - what's wrong with experimenting? Why always play it safe? Muse have loads of songs that would make great openers and closers - even if they insist upon drawing them from The Resistance, Uprising, Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Overture would all make great openers and I'm sure Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Redemption would make great closers. But why not, I don't know, just for sheer shits and giggles throw a curve ball and open with Apocalypse Please, or Dead Star, or Take A Bow, or Map Of The Problematique? And similarly, why not roll out a classic closing song, Showbiz, Bliss, Stockholm Syndrome?

Why not standardise the length of the sets as many bands do to give each city a fair show - Radiohead are a great example. They play a seventeen song main set, a five song encore and then a three song encore. Great, every show gets 25 songs and thanks to the standard length, it's easy to drop songs in and out for each show. Muse could easily do something like this, maybe a 15 song main set, then a three song encore and then a two song encore. Simples.

Also, I don't 'buy' the whole 'but we have to tie in with the visuals' argument. Yes, fair dos if you're playing a song that has specific visuals/ideas BUT, surely there are generic visuals/lighting/camerawork that would suffice just as well for songs WITHOUT specific planned visuals? I don't get why visuals require the setlist not to change order either? Surely if each song has its own scheme, they can be played in basically any order they like?

They're such simple, basic things that Muse could do to spice up their live shows which are already showing signs of stagnation after just 15 or so shows on this tour. The fact that their idea of bringing back an older song or some such is a tired cover version of Feeling Good is frankly laughable. I'd also love to think they're not pandering to a bland, generalised audience but I can only imagine they are - every show follows the same predictable pattern and contains the same predictable songs. No proper show on the BH&R was without Starlight or Time Is Running Out, and 99% of shows featured Plug In Baby, Feeling Good and Supermassive Black Hole. The fact that this has continued on The Resistance tour seems to underline who they'd chasing these days...

Disclaimer: I wouldn't write a post as indepth and long as this is I didn't care about Muse or their live show. I'm still a humongous Muse fanboy at heart but I just can't bare to see them stagnate as they are. I don't care what anyone says but Muse haven't deserved any of their 'best live act' awards since Glastonbury 2004 - I almost get the feeling they've become hugely complacent about their live show in the wake of all the praise they get. A flashy 'show' or 'spectacle' is NOT a replacement for spontenaity and passion which is so desperately lacking these days. Not only are the setlists exactly the same these days, these so called 'jams' and 'riffs' are EXACTLY the same at every show as well. They can't even jam with any spontenaity any more! I pay 45 to see a fair representation of Muse's back catalogue live, not to see a meagre 17 song setlist with a few bells and whistles. It would take so little for them to do this but it would make such a difference! I cannot emphasise enough just how easy it would to implement this .

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Old 25-10-2009, 10:14 PM   #33
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And whats all this about only playing Exo Part one?

You either play it or you do not. What was all this in interviews about it being a massive moment in the set? I'd call only getting part one a massive LETDOWN.
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Old 25-10-2009, 10:15 PM   #34
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i was really upset when i had to cancel my trip to cologne because i wanted to see more than 2 gigs on this tour..
after seeing this and i'm better really. spend loads of money for 3 gigs with the probability of getting the same boring setlist is just arrghh
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Old 25-10-2009, 10:15 PM   #36
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And whats all this about only playing Exo Part one?

You either play it or you do not. What was all this in interviews about it being a massive moment in the set? I'd call only getting part one a massive LETDOWN.
Hey at least they've played it, it looks really beautiful but yeah they did promise they would play it in full at some shows let's just hope they do
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Old 25-10-2009, 10:17 PM   #37
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C&P from the other thread...

-----

To clarify my thoughts.

Muse have five proper studio albums now giving them a grand total of 57 songs to choose from. Add live favourite b-sides such as:

- Dead Star
- Fury
- The Groove
- Forced In
- Man Of Mystery
- Popcorn
- Osaka Jam/Helsinki Jam/Dracula Mountain

That's a grand total of over sixty viable songs they COULD play live. Now, I'm not expecting them to dig as depe as rolling out the likes of Sober, Overdue, Screenager, Falling Away With You, etc, but to suggest that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to rehearse songs they have played hundreds of times like Muscle Museum, Bliss, Micro Cuts, Apocalypse Please and Butterflies & Hurricanes and then drop in 2/3 of them per gig is absurd.

As for gig length, Muse's gigs on the OoS tour featured anything between 14 and 18 songs, the Absolution tour was usually between 17 and 19 songs (20 on occasions) and the BH&R tour between 16 and 20. When you're charging anything up to 45 for a ticket with a not OVERLY flashy stage show (c'mon, these towers are just screens with a few hydrolics, nout technical), 20 songs has got to be the benchmark at the very minimum. You can't start DECREASING your sets.

Setlist order could easily be shaken up for each gig - what's wrong with experimenting? Why always play it safe? Muse have loads of songs that would make great openers and closers - even if they insist upon drawing them from The Resistance, Uprising, Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Overture would all make great openers and I'm sure Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Redemption would make great closers. But why not, I don't know, just for sheer shits and giggles throw a curve ball and open with Apocalypse Please, or Dead Star, or Take A Bow, or Map Of The Problematique? And similarly, why not roll out a classic closing song, Showbiz, Bliss, Stockholm Syndrome?

Why not standardise the length of the sets as many bands do to give each city a fair show - Radiohead are a great example. They play a seventeen song main set, a five song encore and then a three song encore. Great, every show gets 25 songs and thanks to the standard length, it's easy to drop songs in and out for each show. Muse could easily do something like this, maybe a 15 song main set, then a three song encore and then a two song encore. Simples.

Also, I don't 'buy' the whole 'but we have to tie in with the visuals' argument. Yes, fair dos if you're playing a song that has specific visuals/ideas BUT, surely there are generic visuals/lighting/camerawork that would suffice just as well for songs WITHOUT specific planned visuals? I don't get why visuals require the setlist not to change order either? Surely if each song has its own scheme, they can be played in basically any order they like?

They're such simple, basic things that Muse could do to spice up their live shows which are already showing signs of stagnation after just 15 or so shows on this tour. The fact that their idea of bringing back an older song or some such is a tired cover version of Feeling Good is frankly laughable. I'd also love to think they're not pandering to a bland, generalised audience but I can only imagine they are - every show follows the same predictable pattern and contains the same predictable songs. No proper show on the BH&R was without Starlight or Time Is Running Out, and 99% of shows featured Plug In Baby, Feeling Good and Supermassive Black Hole. The fact that this has continued on The Resistance tour seems to underline who they'd chasing these days...

Disclaimer: I wouldn't write a post as indepth and long as this is I didn't care about Muse or their live show. I'm still a humongous Muse fanboy at heart but I just can't bare to see them stagnate as they are. I don't care what anyone says but Muse haven't deserved any of their 'best live act' awards since Glastonbury 2004 - I almost get the feeling they've become hugely complacent about their live show in the wake of all the praise they get. A flashy 'show' or 'spectacle' is NOT a replacement for spontenaity and passion which is so desperately lacking these days. I pay 45 to see a fair representation of Muse's back catalogue live, not to see a meagre 17 song setlist with a few bells and whistles. It would take so little for them to do this but it would make such a difference! I cannot emphasise enough just how easy it would to implement this .

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Old 25-10-2009, 10:17 PM   #38
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He knows. I've spoken to him about it loads of times. The band know. And they change nothing.
What did he say when you told him, like what was his reaction?
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Old 25-10-2009, 10:17 PM   #39
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He knows. I've spoken to him about it loads of times. The band know. And they change nothing.
recently..? like within the past 3 gigs?

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To clarify my thoughts.

Muse have five proper studio albums now giving them a grand total of 57 songs to choose from. Add live favourite b-sides such as:

- Dead Star
- Fury
- The Groove
- Forced In
- Man Of Mystery
- Popcorn
- Osaka Jam/Helsinki Jam/Dracula Mountain

That's a grand total of over sixty viable songs they COULD play live. Now, I'm not expecting them to dig as depe as rolling out the likes of Sober, Overdue, Screenager, Falling Away With You, etc, but to suggest that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to rehearse songs they have played hundreds of times like Muscle Museum, Bliss, Micro Cuts, Apocalypse Please and Butterflies & Hurricanes and then drop in 2/3 of them per gig is absurd.

As for gig length, Muse's gigs on the OoS tour featured anything between 14 and 18 songs, the Absolution tour was usually between 17 and 19 songs (20 on occasions) and the BH&R tour between 16 and 20. When you're charging anything up to 45 for a ticket with a not OVERLY flashy stage show (c'mon, these towers are just screens with a few hydrolics, nout technical), 20 songs has got to be the benchmark at the very minimum. You can't start DECREASING your sets.

Setlist order could easily be shaken up for each gig - what's wrong with experimenting? Why always play it safe? Muse have loads of songs that would make great openers and closers - even if they insist upon drawing them from The Resistance, Uprising, Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Overture would all make great openers and I'm sure Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Redemption would make great closers. But why not, I don't know, just for sheer shits and giggles throw a curve ball and open with Apocalypse Please, or Dead Star, or Take A Bow, or Map Of The Problematique? And similarly, why not roll out a classic closing song, Showbiz, Bliss, Stockholm Syndrome?

Why not standardise the length of the sets as many bands do to give each city a fair show - Radiohead are a great example. They play a seventeen song main set, a five song encore and then a three song encore. Great, every show gets 25 songs and thanks to the standard length, it's easy to drop songs in and out for each show. Muse could easily do something like this, maybe a 15 song main set, then a three song encore and then a two song encore. Simples.

Also, I don't 'buy' the whole 'but we have to tie in with the visuals' argument. Yes, fair dos if you're playing a song that has specific visuals/ideas BUT, surely there are generic visuals/lighting/camerawork that would suffice just as well for songs WITHOUT specific planned visuals? I don't get why visuals require the setlist not to change order either? Surely if each song has its own scheme, they can be played in basically any order they like?

They're such simple, basic things that Muse could do to spice up their live shows which are already showing signs of stagnation after just 15 or so shows on this tour. The fact that their idea of bringing back an older song or some such is a tired cover version of Feeling Good is frankly laughable. I'd also love to think they're not pandering to a bland, generalised audience but I can only imagine they are - every show follows the same predictable pattern and contains the same predictable songs. No proper show on the BH&R was without Starlight or Time Is Running Out, and 99% of shows featured Plug In Baby, Feeling Good and Supermassive Black Hole. The fact that this has continued on The Resistance tour seems to underline who they'd chasing these days...

Disclaimer: I wouldn't write a post as indepth and long as this is I didn't care about Muse or their live show. I'm still a humongous Muse fanboy at heart but I just can't bare to see them stagnate as they are. I don't care what anyone says but Muse haven't deserved any of their 'best live act' awards since Glastonbury 2004 - I almost get the feeling they've become hugely complacent about their live show in the wake of all the praise they get. A flashy 'show' or 'spectacle' is NOT a replacement for spontenaity and passion which is so desperately lacking these days. I pay 45 to see a fair representation of Muse's back catalogue live, not to see a meagre 17 song setlist with a few bells and whistles. It would take so little for them to do this but it would make such a difference! I cannot emphasise enough just how easy it would to implement this .

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It's not really just that though, it's the lack of any surprises/fan favourites.

Fuck it, i'm going to say it now. Muse are emo & gay
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Hey at least they've played it, it looks really beautiful but yeah they did promise they would play it in full at some shows let's just hope they do
only playing 1 part, without strings sort of kills it though
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Old 25-10-2009, 10:18 PM   #42
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Muse can only blame themselves for us being unhappy...

We know how good they can be they've shown us before, we know of the variety they have in their back catalogue... We have high expectations because they have set the bar high from past performances and they have failed to deliver.

They seem to be more interested so far in playing songs that have big radio airplay and appeal to the casual fans than bring back gems that the fans want (who are the people buying tickets for multiple shows + travel + accommodation)

If they are being restricted by the visuals and props being used for the tour then those needs to be rethink...

I want to see Muse live for their performance not the gizmos from the stage department.
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And whats all this about only playing Exo Part one?

You either play it or you do not. What was all this in interviews about it being a massive moment in the set? I'd call only getting part one a massive LETDOWN.
Nah, it was awesome and went well into Stockholm Syndrome. I am happy that they play it than not playing anything of the Symphony at all.
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