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Old 14-04-2018, 08:39 AM   #91
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Production that doesn't make me want to rip my ears off.

Vocals that aren't so obnoxiously overdone they make watching paint dry sound more enticing.

An attempt at fusing modern rock with top 40 influences that doesn't come off as 100% completely pandering and nauseating.

Guitars that sound like guitars.

And, for the sake of Young And Menace, having a chorus that isn't literally chipmunk squeals and randomly places bass hits which somehow takes up the majority of the song.
Most of that applies to TC imo. I mean TC was specifically bashed quite a lot for the lack of guitars that sound like guitars, was it not?

And pandering by trying to fuse modern rock with top 40 influences? Isn't that exactly what Matt has said he wanted to do?

And overdone vocals...well...

You keep comparing TC to one song that doesn't really sound anything like the rest of Mania though, bland as the album may be.
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Perhaps we can all agree they're both better than the new 30STM?
Haven't listened to the album, since I didn't like the last two barring like one song, so why bother I guess?
However, I like Walk on Water quite a bit more than Dig Down, and find it more listenable than TC a lot of days.
It's a good example of what I was talking about before; fun, upbeat and catchy, which seem to be staples of the mainstream appeal of that sort of music that's popular right now.
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30STM vs FOBís most recent records? Does it even matter if puke tastes better than shit?
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Controversial opinion: The people who love Thought Contagion would adore most of the Mania songs if they had Muse's name on them.
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Haven't listened to the album, since I didn't like the last two barring like one song, so why bother I guess?
However, I like Walk on Water quite a bit more than Dig Down, and find it more listenable than TC a lot of days.
It's a good example of what I was talking about before; fun, upbeat and catchy, which seem to be staples of the mainstream appeal of that sort of music that's popular right now.
I guess I'm just not interested in upbeat and catchy at the expense of interesting songwriting or artistic style choices. I could see how one could prefer Walk On Water to the Muse singles though. 30STM does a better job there of crafting a song people actually might want to sing along to, I just don't like the song.

That said the rest of that album is garbage. Like, Chainsmokers level garbage.
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Old 14-04-2018, 06:40 PM   #96
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Controversial opinion: The people who love Thought Contagion would adore most of the Mania songs if they had Muse's name on them.
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yeah probably actually...Muse bias is a very real thing.
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Controversial opinion: The people who love Thought Contagion would adore most of the Mania songs if they had Muse's name on them.
I have absolutely no doubt that's true. And not, as the person below you believes, because it says "Muse" but because they have a ton in common.

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I guess I'm just not interested in upbeat and catchy at the expense of interesting songwriting or artistic style choices. I could see how one could prefer Walk On Water to the Muse singles though. 30STM does a better job there of crafting a song people actually might want to sing along to, I just don't like the song.

That said the rest of that album is garbage. Like, Chainsmokers level garbage.
Except the "interesting songwriting or artistic style" bit is again completely biased and subjective. Yes, you previously stated that everything you're saying is your opinion (obvious) but the language you use tends towards absolutes, hyperbole, and an attempt to state why something is objectively worse than something else.
There's absolutely nothing saying that these other bands aren't doing the exact same thing you think Muse is doing (being artistic and interesting) and it's very easy to suggest (as I wholeheartedly believe) that TC and DD aren't interesting or "artistic" and that they're a "sacrifice" made to attempt to be mainstreamly popular.

The "upbeat and catchy" part of that isn't what makes songs derivative or not, and being a happy song doesn't make it somehow less worthwhile. It just makes it easier to break into the mainstream. So sure bands use it to cash in, but bands also use it because they really enjoy that style of song.

You also reminded me of another song I enjoy more than TC/DD; that Chainsmokers/Coldplay thing.
Although I can't really deal with their other stuff.

I'm suddenly being forced to listen to mainstream music at work, and find myself reluctantly enjoying this style of music (never thought I'd see the day I enjoyed Panic at the Disco, but here it is) and I STILL can't get into Thought Contagion, which they also play, and is the same basic style. Instead, lumping all this stuff together has really highlighted for me where I think the song goes wrong (awkward vocals, lyrics, lacks fun factor.)

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I have absolutely no doubt that's true. And not, as the person below you believes, because it says "Muse" but because they have a ton in common.



Except the "interesting songwriting or artistic style" bit is again completely biased and subjective. Yes, you previously stated that everything you're saying is your opinion (obvious) but the language you use tends towards absolutes, hyperbole, and an attempt to state why something is objectively worse than something else.
There's absolutely nothing saying that these other bands aren't doing the exact same thing you think Muse is doing (being artistic and interesting) and it's very easy to suggest (as I wholeheartedly believe) that TC and DD aren't interesting or "artistic" and that they're a "sacrifice" made to attempt to be mainstreamly popular.

The "upbeat and catchy" part of that isn't what makes songs derivative or not, and being a happy song doesn't make it somehow less worthwhile. It just makes it easier to break into the mainstream. So sure bands use it to cash in, but bands also use it because they really enjoy that style of song.

You also reminded me of another song I enjoy more than TC/DD; that Chainsmokers/Coldplay thing.
Although I can't really deal with their other stuff.

I'm suddenly being forced to listen to mainstream music at work, and find myself reluctantly enjoying this style of music (never thought I'd see the day I enjoyed Panic at the Disco, but here it is) and I STILL can't get into Thought Contagion, which they also play, and is the same basic style. Instead, lumping all this stuff together has really highlighted for me where I think the song goes wrong (awkward vocals, lyrics, lacks fun factor.)
When I state my opinion in absolutes, I mean that is absolutely my opinion. I mean no one else disrespect by that. If you are offended at how vehement I can be about my opinions, I am sorry, but it isn't meant to offend you or cast shade on you. If you enjoy everything Fall Out Boy is doing right now more than TC, that's cool, and I can see how someone would. I just don't.

Also, I love catchy upbeat pop music. The latest Paramore album is an absolute blast, even if you took out the dark lyrics it wouldn't get much worse. The latest MisterWives album is even better. It was my album of the year last year. My point is I don't think Fall Out Boy or 30STM are doing the top 40 thing (on their latest albums only) as well as Muse, not that Muse is doing it particularly well either, just that I like Muse's approach more. Mania grates on my ears, despite it's catchiness and fun factor, the production and the songwriting just hurt my ears. And the new 30STM album just sounds devoid of any substance to me. Catchy, fun, upbeat in places, sure, but if I pay attention to what's being played, I stop liking it. Decent background music is the best I could really give it. TC has that alien synth sound that, while cliche, sounds more like Muse than it does top 40. It's too repetitive for me to love it, but I enjoy the ideas it's repeating, even if the execution is a little awkward. Maybe it comes down to Muse bias, but I genuinely think what Muse is doing on TC is more interesting than what 30stm and FOB are up to right now, if not slightly less derivative.

And about the Chainsmokers Coldplay collaboration, I actually mostly enjoy that as well. I'm a sucker for Chris Martin's voice, and overall it doesn't annoy me nearly to the level Closer did when it was at its peak. Also there's a guitar solo at the end of it, which is just cool in general in today's musical climate.
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Controversial opinion: The people who love Thought Contagion would adore most of the Mania songs if they had Muse's name on them.
Would be interesting to see.

That said though I actually kinda like Thought Contagion just because I find it quite fun. I don't know whether I've just lowered my standards over the last few years when it comes to Muse releases though in fairness
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At first I thought the song was a bit too "different" for me, but over time I've really warmed to it and I think it's a brilliant song!
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I've gone from genuinely enjoying TC to giving or taking it. For what it's worth, a lot of my non-Muse fan friends have texted me to tell me how much they like the new Muse single. I know "mass appeal" is a bad word around these parts but maybe it's a good gateway song??
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Old 16-04-2018, 03:17 PM   #102
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The live performance has swung me on it tbh, hope future ones keep up that energy.

Mass appeal ain’t a dirty phrase I don’t think, who cares how accessible a song is to casual listeners? Only starts to become a bad thing when you actively sacrifice your own artistic integrity to achieve that (which isn’t what Muse have done/are doing imo).
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I've gone from genuinely enjoying TC to giving or taking it. For what it's worth, a lot of my non-Muse fan friends have texted me to tell me how much they like the new Muse single. I know "mass appeal" is a bad word around these parts but maybe it's a good gateway song??
Mass appeal isn't a bad thing on its own, though.
I just don't see the point getting excited about Muse gaining more mainstream popularity if that means they keep making songs I don't like. If they're enjoying themselves, more power to them, but what kind of "gateway" is it, really?
It's not like the mainstream is going to get into TC and then suddenly everyone's into CE, or Fury or something. I don't think it's going to lead to the band's other material clicking with people.
Heck, we saw that with Madness; they struck gold with that song and then there wasn't anything else on T2L that appealed to those same fans, and the attention died off. And it sounds like they're doing something similar this time around.
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Has TC even caught on? Haven’t heard it on the radio once over here but I don’t listen much tbf.
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I hear it a couple times a day on the radio at work, but I don't know how widespread even that is. The station's pretty much wall to wall Imagine Dragons with some other similar stuff thrown in.
I don't think it's really caught on huge, but it's out there more than a lot of their stuff was other than Madness.
It doesn't really seem to compete well with the other songs in the same genre.
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