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Old 01-03-2018, 08:45 AM   #2161
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I don't know if it's been mentioned already but the fact that Matt's doing a track with Zedd has me more upset than a track with Timbaland.
It won't be Muse related, though.
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:31 PM   #2162
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It won't be Muse related, though.
Never say never... regardless what artist releases it, it's a safe bet to assume Matt and his songwriting will be influenced by it.
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Old 02-03-2018, 03:50 AM   #2163
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it's a safe bet to assume Matt and his songwriting will be influenced by it
As much as I would usually echo this, you could just as easily say Matt and his songwriting will be affected by these request shows that they've been doing, rocking out to some of the old classics and obscure fan favourites, which are completely different. It doesn't necessarily mean that's going to happen though.
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That was a bit anticlimactic. Can't you be a little more like Bs?
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Old 02-03-2018, 05:25 AM   #2164
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As much as I would usually echo this, you could just as easily say Matt and his songwriting will be affected by these request shows that they've been doing, rocking out to some of the old classics and obscure fan favourites, which are completely different. It doesn't necessarily mean that's going to happen though.
I think it's less of a leap to say that recent songwriting efforts will influence further songwriting efforts, rather than rediscovery of music you wrote over a decade ago.
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Old 02-03-2018, 09:00 AM   #2165
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I think it's less of a leap to say that recent songwriting efforts will influence further songwriting efforts, rather than rediscovery of music you wrote over a decade ago.
Good point well made, I suppose, but I have heard other bands say before after performing some old material for the first time in a while that they were then influenced by that for their next album. I don't know about Muse though, haha! They seem to be influenced by just about everything these days...
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Old 02-03-2018, 01:15 PM   #2166
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Sort of an amalgam of what Matt last heard on the radio and the last book he skimmed, really.
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Old 04-03-2018, 09:10 PM   #2167
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There's some really interesting discussion here about the lyrics and Matt as a lyricists.
For me Muse lyrics have always been something to be ignored. I actually don't hear them, even if I listen to them and can sing along to them. I know this is a privilege native speakers in particular don't have, and it doesn't extend to just Muse when I listen to music. Maybe that makes me (wilfully) ignorant, I don't know. But because of this, Muse songs, lyrics-wise, have always been more or less a vague lump of "the song about Matt being angry at the Man", or "Matt's worried about the environment and/or the lifestyle based on consumption", "the anti-war song", rather than bothering with the nuances.

So to me, when Thought Contagion came out, to me it was just a lump of "oh now a Muse song about false information spread in the media, how topical ". But people in this thread have actually brought a very poingnant aspect that Matt himself really hasn't ever come forward to explain his past about buying into and spreading just the type of conspirary theory nonsense that he now seems to acknowledge as problematic. Like That Little Animal, I've assumed his wolrdviews are a result of a somewhat uneducated mind (possibly combined with some substance-intake and living the rather out-of-touch life of a celebrity), and I'm sure he's grown mentally with age. But a topic like the one in TC would have been particularly interesting being handled from someone like Matt's point of view, because you could actually make the argument that he- probably unwittingly- has been someone who has laid ground for the rise of the fringe and false narratives being accepted as valid narratives(as one small part of a huge phenomenon, but still). I mean, [your chosen higher power here] help us all, there are people who actually listen to what he says and buy into it. Instead, the lyrics of TC seem to point at Matt discussing others being "infected", and his solution is just to turn off the TV. For the reasons discussed in this thread, this is obviously an approach only people with privilege can take benefit from.¨

I think there is a point in there somewhere when Matt mentions the role of networks like MSNBC and CNN being "obsessed" with Trump. Usually focusing on something in a continuously negative manner results in the viewer sympathy sifting to the subject who may now be viewed as an underdog. Also, the constant narrative of outrageousness also somewhat paradoxically actually normalises the outrageous acts. This is of course absurd with Trump, who by all standards is unfit to be president and is downright dangerous to the stability of the world. However, what those networks do actually in the long run plays into the hands of the right and the alt-right, which again is absurd. Now, I don't have the answers for how you balance the importance of bringing forth the important news stories and keeping the public informed of what their leaders are doing, and what I discussed before. Why I am mentioning this is that someone brought up whether Matt actually has some fringe right symphaties.Personally, I find that hard to believe, and see his words as more stemming from ignorance. At least this was in his twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/MattBellamy/stat...83876285112321

All of this being said, I actually enjoy TC- I just keep thinking it as a catchy pop song.
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Old 04-03-2018, 09:39 PM   #2168
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That Trump Tweet of Matt's actually surprised me, tbh, because Matt's prior communications were just along the lines of "it'll be fine, Congress won't let anything terrible happen" which shows his incredibly naïve understanding of American politics and the damaging forces that led to the election of Trump in the first place.

And also Matt's clear nationalist stances, which he was talking about in interviews as recently as last year. (And I suppose it's hard for me to think of nationalists as anything other than far right, right now.)
Brexit, for example, became heavily anti-immigrant in nature for a lot of the population, the same as the nationalist movement in the US has been heavily protectionist (and bigoted.)
So, seeing Matt call Trump a Nazi made me wonder if he was really not self aware (or educated) enough to see that one couldn't be pro-Brexit (for example) with caveats like "well, except for THAT" part...
Sometimes you have to say that things aren't worth the cost, no matter how much you agree with one of the parts of the whole, or admit that you're supporting something ugly out of selfishness.
And this is what completely went wrong with the US; the checks and balances failed and people embraced some really evil beliefs.

(The "king" line in DD is a bit scary now that Trump has suggested it would be cool for the US to move to a "ruler for life" system...)

But yeah, mostly I'm just a bit in awe of how un self-aware telling people not to buy into "thought contagion" is coming from someone who's dealt in conspiracy and anti-government themes for a very long time.
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Old 04-03-2018, 10:30 PM   #2169
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Meh, I always thought that all the conspiracy and dystopian stuff were just part of an act to build a certain image of himself and thus appear "cool" to the musical world. Many love to buy into the "eccentric rockstar" cliché, so that wouldn't surprise me.
On the other hand, he also seemed genuinely fascinated with those sort of things, not to the point of believing them, but rather using them in a heavily ironic fashion in his lyrics to "mock" them and point them out as paranoid and manic constructs. Maybe it's just me, but that's part of the appeal that BHAR had when I listened to it for the first time, coupled with the great music, of course.
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If it were just an act to give the band a little cool factor... wouldn't that basically be intentionally spreading "fake news"?
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If it were just an act to give the band a little cool factor... wouldn't that basically be intentionally spreading "fake news"?
Was just gonna say
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If it were just an act to give the band a little cool factor... wouldn't that basically be intentionally spreading "fake news"?
That would mean he never saw that as a problem, and it would show Matt's most immature side, because I always felt he just spread them for the sake of looking controversial and stirring arguements around the band without caring if he was believed or not.
Although I can't help but laugh a bit whenever I happen to watch a conspiracy theory video out of curiosity and see Muse taken as a band rallying the world against "shadow powers" and such. No sane person would believe Matt sings about those themes without a trace of irony, no matter how small it would probably be, or how terrible his lyrics may be.

EDIT: Oh, and I can't see how a sane person would believe a man wearing Gucci bombers and neon glasses as he sings about all of that, unless you could consider the "in-character" theory (which is also quite plausible to me).
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Old 04-03-2018, 11:28 PM   #2173
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tbh, I believed conspiracy theories were something people kind of just did for fun and out of boredom.
It never occurred to me until recently that people really believed in shadow governments and liberal-funded kiddie sex dungeons in pizza parlors. It was just kind of like the half alien baby on the front page of the Enquirer.
Now it scares the shit out of me to know people are deadly serious about this stuff, and it's suddenly important to not dismiss that people might believe the crazy nonsense they read.
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tbh, I believed conspiracy theories were something people kind of just did for fun and out of boredom.
It never occurred to me until recently that people really believed in shadow governments and liberal-funded kiddie sex dungeons in pizza parlors. It was just kind of like the half alien baby on the front page of the Enquirer.
Now it scares the shit out of me to know people are deadly serious about this stuff, and it's suddenly important to not dismiss that people might believe the crazy nonsense they read.
Well, I feel you, even if I don't necessarily share the same amounts of concern as yours. It's like a game or a joke taken too far, isn't it?
However, I think there are some parametres to be taken into consideration when talking about that stuff. The main, most crucial one could be how those theories are relatable to the events of everyday life. For example, if we're talking about theories claiming black people are all part of a conspiracy to erase the white, then I completely agree with you, because it's a case that could create an extremely dangerous, violent situation on a sociopolitical level. The black people whom a paranoid theory as such is centered around are depicted with pretty much realistic features, in fact, and we've already seen how that could enable xenophobes, racist, white suprematists, Nazis, etc. to commit violent acts against them. It's never been funny or harmlessly bonkers, in short words.
If we're talking about a theory like the ones you briefly exposed in your first paragraph, instead, they may come out as totally ridiculous indeed, because of their scattered and heterogeneous elements, or supernatural, esoteric ones (see the "Lizard People" theory, which Unnatural Selection is based upon).
I don't know if I've explained myself very well, but I hope so.
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Just so we're clear, the government funded pedophile sex dungeon/pizza parlor is something a significant amount of people believed, and was talked about widely on Infowars and even televised on Fox News.
It led to a guy firing a gun in the place trying to be a "hero" and NASA having to release an official statement that there's no sex camps on Mars, and yet people still hold rallies about it.

It's important to understand there's not really any bottom to the crazy stuff masses of people will believe.
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