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Old 07-12-2018, 12:40 AM   #826
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And I get why Muse won't do it but it still angers me that they won't just say "fuck it" and play the songs they wanna play until the crowd that is literally only there to hear 2 songs takes the hint and fucks off.

If they wanna play the biggest venues in the world by catering to the people who will start a phone conversation if a non-single is played, then they can't really complain about people's reactions.

Or, like I said in a more elaborate way in this old post:
This acts as a kinda nice wrap up to my distaste of the small for-fans shows vs arena shows I had, which I still haven't changed my mind on. It feels like a compromise in place of Muse just saying "fuck it" in the general tour. But that's what I wanna see them do.

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The US arena and amphitheatre tours last era got all of them (minus Sunburn) plus TAB, Map and AP. T2L’s US arenas had Butterflies, Map, Bliss, Sunburn, Fury, Agitated, New Born and NSC (not a fan favourite but v rare). Even for TR, which was notoriously lacking in variation, there was RBS, CE and Bliss. They could break pattern next tour, sure, but there’s nothing to suggest it based on past evidence.
Frequency matters more.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:42 AM   #827
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Frequency matters more.
Oh yeah, I agree it would be nice to have songs like that sprinkled in more consistently, without demanding a slot at every gig or owt, so fans looking for them avoid having to play that lottery of hoping their gig is one of the relative few (‘specially w/ the distance needed to potentially travel somewhere like in the US). I just listed those in response to that specific point, though I can still understand why they’re less frequent over there even if I recognise it’s a shame dgmw.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:47 AM   #828
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I mean there's a level. Apocalypse Please was semi-common in the early US Drones leg. Sunburn also showed up here and there for T2L. But something like RBS only showed up once for each leg of The Resistance, and Fury only once like ever in the last 3 tours.

They're rarities for a reason (I never caught AP or Bliss) but for some it's less distance but more like saying you'd have a chance to see Glorious in the UK cause it showed up last tour.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:05 AM   #829
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I mean there's a level. Apocalypse Please was semi-common in the early US Drones leg. Sunburn also showed up here and there for T2L. But something like RBS only showed up once for each leg of The Resistance, and Fury only once like ever in the last 3 tours.

They're rarities for a reason (I never caught AP or Bliss) but for some it's less distance but more like saying you'd have a chance to see Glorious in the UK cause it showed up last tour.
Once on the first leg but six on the second, so seven total in I think 32 US arena shows overall. It was actually weirdly way more common in the US than anywhere else (only once in the UK and Canada).

Obvs some songs will be more or less common than others, and some just once. Just wanted to show that songs in that vein do happen at the big gigs over there and consistently over the years, usually one or maybe two popping up a fair few times. Something like Glorious or Easily over here would’ve been like including Assassin ‘cos of the Mayan gig, tiny venue one-offs are naturally an extreme.

Edit: curious if it might actually be worth getting the stats for those songs on those tours to work out what the ratios are, results might be a bit surprising. maybe after work tomorrow I’ll do a v mini write up.
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:06 AM   #830
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Once on the first leg but six on the second, so seven total in I think 32 US arena shows overall. It was actually weirdly way more common in the US than anywhere else (only once in the UK and Canada).

Obvs some songs will be more or less common than others, and some just once. Just wanted to show that songs in that vein do happen at the big gigs over there and consistently over the years, usually one or maybe two popping up a fair few times. Something like Glorious or Easily over here would’ve been like including Assassin ‘cos of the Mayan gig, tiny venue one-offs are naturally an extreme.

Edit: curious if it might actually be worth getting the stats for those songs on those tours to work out what the ratios are, results might be a bit surprising. maybe after work tomorrow I’ll do a v mini write up.
I think it's a mix that AP was brought back as the song for the US basing off the Webster Hall show and all, and that the song died out early in the tour. So it only had a few European festivals but then the whole US leg where it was rather common.

I also still have my old IRC bot that does statistics so I can run those in a bit. Although it stopped logging mid way through the Drones tour.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:29 AM   #831
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Dead Star would get a huge reaction no matter if you know that one or not. Kinda like SS, that song always get a huge reaction and I feel like 50% of the people don't know that one. Or like Unsustainable at RiP show this year, nobody knew that one and it had big moshpits

I think Matt and the rest should make a difference between those rarities and some pop/acoustic/slow songs. Fast, aggressive songs will get a huge reaction every time and hardcore fans would be happy
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:11 PM   #832
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I mean there's a level. Apocalypse Please was semi-common in the early US Drones leg. Sunburn also showed up here and there for T2L. But something like RBS only showed up once for each leg of The Resistance, and Fury only once like ever in the last 3 tours.

They're rarities for a reason (I never caught AP or Bliss) but for some it's less distance but more like saying you'd have a chance to see Glorious in the UK cause it showed up last tour.
I totally dont get why AP was a rotation, its had a break for 3 album cycles so making it a staple would have been a real breath of fresh air..
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Was just gonna link that

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People who think the crowds go crazy for heavy rarities must not have seen very much of the past few tours.
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Ok, so I went on setlist.fm and made a list of rarities on the last 2 NA tours. I didn't include the amphitheater tour because afaik, I think Map was played at a couple shows but that's it.

T2L
San Diego - Bliss
LA - Bliss
LA - Map, Sunburn, Save Me
LA - Map
Oakland - Sunburn
Sac - 0
Portland - Map, Sunburn
Seattle - 0
Edm - Map
Calgary - 0
Vanc - 0
Sunrise - Bliss
Tampa - 0
Orlando - Map
Cinn - 0
Cleveland - 0
Detroit - Map, Sunburn
Chicago - Sunburn
Columbus - Map
Minn - Map, Sunburn
St. Louis - Sunburn (around this time the setlist dropped to 20 from 21, save for 2 gigs)
Tulsa - 0
Houston - Map
Dallas - Sunburn
Phoenix - Map
LV - Map
Toronto - Map
Toronto - Dead Star*
Boston - Map
Uncasville - Sunburn
NY - Map
NY - Sunburn, Dead Star*
NJ - 0
Montreal - Map
Montreal - Sunburn, Micro Cuts
---Fall leg---
Charlotte - Agitated
Atlanta - Map, Sunburn, Agitated
Nashville - NSC, US, Agitated
Pittsburgh - Map, Fury*, US
Philadelphia - 0
DC - US
SLC - Map, Sunburn, B&H, US
Denver - Sunburn, US


Drones
Houston - 0
Dallas - CE*
Phoenix - AP
Vanc - Bliss
Seattle - CE
Portland - Eurasia
Oakland - 0
LA - Eurasia
LA - 0
SD - AP
LV - Map
Chicago - Map
Detroit - Map
Toronto - CE and AP
Q city - Map and AP
Montreal - Bliss, Map, and AP
Montreal - CE, Map, Eurasia
Q city - Bliss, Map, Eurasia
Boston - Map, AP
NY - Map and AP
NJ - Map, Eurasia
Philly - Map, AP
DC - Map and CE* and AP

I put asterisks on the ones that were extenuating circumstances (fan request, etc). Red ones were played once.

So yeah, that's not that great, IMO. Especially that whole first half of the Drones tour. More than I expected though for AP.

Idk if Eurasia would be considered a rarity at all but I called it one for the Drones tour, idk maybe bc personally I really like it

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People who think the crowds go crazy for heavy rarities must not have seen very much of the past few tours.
Or we're in the front and don't get to see the back crowd.
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Or we're in the front and don't get to see the back crowd.
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Or we're in the front and don't get to see the back crowd.
Yeah, that's the thing. The people up front are totally into it. The band just needs to pretend they are in a club for one song and only pay attention to the pit!
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Here’s a more condensed version I had in my head, just counting what I’d call ‘old fan favourites (that aren’t staples)’ over the last 3 album tours and looking purely at arenas and amphitheatres, no festivals:

The Resistance (2010-2011)
Songs counted: Ruled By Secrecy (7), Bliss (1), Citizen Erased (1), Butterflies & Hurricanes (1)
Total gigs: 34
Gigs where song(s) were played: 9 (26%)

The 2nd Law (2013)
Songs counted: Bliss (3), Sunburn (13), Map Of The Problematique (15), Dead Star (1), Agitated (4), Fury (1)
Total gigs: 36
Gigs where song(s) were played: 27 (75%)

Drones (2015-2017)
Songs counted: Bliss (4), Citizen Erased (3), Apocalypse Please (8), Map Of The Problematique (9), Stockholm Syndrome (8), Butterflies & Hurricanes (3)
Total gigs: 31
Gigs where song(s) were played: 23 (74%)

They really don’t do that bad over there - in this specific aspect at least
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