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Old 10-05-2017, 05:05 PM   #8821
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Maybe you won't like my point of view about that, but...
(-inhalates deeply-) I think it's also... his character. I mean, the character he's come to build throughout the years, to come across as eccentric and wacky like the music he writes.
Quite ugly, uh?
I honestly still don't think he's 100% serious about it, and exactly he's just sticking with the "image" that worked for him in the first place.
But stuff keeps coming up in interviews that suggests that they might be exaggerated views, but they do reflect the core of his beliefs.
It's hard to listen to The Globalist's themes about the destruction of all life on Earth and not think it is representative of Matt's views when he talks about being pro-Brexit and afraid of big government.
It's harder sometimes for people to be subjective and realize that that sort of situation portrayed in the song is far more likely to be perpetrated by excessively nationalist leaders.

I don't know, I guess it's just insane for me to realize how rapidly things have changed in the world since Drones was released, and my support and often adoration of these sorts of themes - that I never took seriously and didn't think were meant to be taken super seriously - has made me feel the relevant "mildly nauseous."
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Old 10-05-2017, 05:07 PM   #8822
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Maybe you won't like my point of view about that, but...
(-inhalates deeply-) I think it's also... his character. I mean, the character he's come to build throughout the years, to come across as eccentric and wacky like the music he writes.
Quite ugly, uh?
You're still talking about the obvious. It's no secret that Matt's been playing up the whole conspiracy thing and has found it funny to come across as the conspiracy guy, even though he also believed in some of it at one point.

I think you should read SerpentSatellite's post again.
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Old 10-05-2017, 05:08 PM   #8823
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Didn't I ask a question about Matt's current views about being "the conspiracy theory guy" in the Q&A and it didn't get submitted???
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Old 10-05-2017, 05:23 PM   #8824
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And I do know Drones is just a bad political metaphor for his crumbling relationship (which also leads to it's own set of questionable items) - Matt's pointed it out clearly both before (Triple J interview he admits the "protagonist" is himself) and after (Telegraph article admitting the songs were a reflection of his life.)
I've always viewed it that way, because frankly the political stuff was pretty shit. Blunt, immature, pointless on its own. And being emotionally damaged by a relationship and feeling like you can't share it directly is very relatable.
I've just turned a corner where the political imagery doesn't feel harmless. It reflects what people *actually* believe, and not just the handful of nuts and bored teenagers that I expected.
I've also constantly been shocked by the sheer amount of fans who take the political story on Drones super seriously, and reject the relationship aspect.

There used to be a line between joking around about what the rich and Republicans were doing naked in the forest together (see: Bohemian Club) and thinking the "pagan rituals" were more important than what was actually going on - rich assholes influencing other rich assholes to use the government for their benefit in an untouchable, exclusive environment.
If you want to see a real mind boggling pile of what I'm talking about, go read some comments about the X-37B secret mission, and all the talk about the "deep state" and the need for govt transparency because we're testing nuclear devices in orbit over the country to keep us compliant, and we're all about to be put into camps.
Or remember that some jackass brought an arsenal into a pizza joint because clip art of ping pong paddles on a menu meant there was a Democrat-run sex dungeon in the freezer. And hundreds of people are still driving hundreds of miles with their kids wearing shirts saying "I'm not pizza" to protest and demand the govt looks into it.

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Old 10-05-2017, 06:38 PM   #8825
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If we're now taking Muse conspiracy lyrics as being serious, Knights of Cydonia and Exo Politics are going to be tough to listen to again.

Like with the song FEAR on Kendrick Lamar's new album, I don't think the "true Israelites" voicemail has much credibility at all, yet I can still enjoy the song overall.
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Old 10-05-2017, 06:46 PM   #8826
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The issue isn't if Muse meant them to be serious, but how they may represent people's actual "political" beliefs today, and the growing section of the populace that believes Infowars is legitimately more trustworthy than "the main stream media."
It's irrelevant if Matt truly still believes Alex Jones, but if he's still using the content without any obvious signs that it's tongue in cheek.

What exactly is the conspiracy theory in KoC? It's just generic "the government is stupid" stuff at best.

Drones takes a really good topic of how potentially our situations and experiences brainwash us, and then shits all over it in a lot of places with "shadow government" mind control crap (but mostly just painfully on the nose lyrics,) and the idiotically privileged notion that you can fix everything through positive thinking.
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:26 PM   #8827
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I do recall a comment from Matt a while ago saying he felt turned off by the conspiracy theory movement drifting more right wing into the stuff like "Obama's a terrorist communist!" horsecrap the more time went on during the last President's terms. But its an interesting point though - where does stuff like irony, satire or writing as someone else's POV end, and where does the real view begin?

I guess its just part of the way the world has gone, given the conspiracy movement has gone from being this slightly different but much more niche way of seeing the world in, say, 2006, to now, where its helped catapult a dangerous psychopath and cabal of jackasses to power.

IMO, there was a mix of shit going on with Drones anyway, such as some relationship collapse, some real world issues, some conspiracy stuff, and some grand sci-fi narrative attempts, which might've been carried off better with some more complex lyrics. Though tbh I don't really know much of the idea of people who see it more straight-faced - I thought there was a consensus it was harder to take that seriously lyrically than some earlier LP's. A long time ago, I thought The Resistance made a half-decent narrative, albeit with some mental joining the dots.

But then I dunno... I can still singalong without really giving it too much thought for these considerations and how someone I don't agree with politically sees it, or at the least in my head, I can contort the lyrics to fit my own viewpoints. Maybe some others can't, ehdunno.
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:37 PM   #8828
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I honestly don't give a shit. I just want to enjoy the music. There may be some wackos who are buying into it as being serious, but I do not care.
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:44 PM   #8829
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My point is simply that it's become hard to listen to when it often sounds like singing people's Facebook comments. It's not fun or enjoyable when it reminds me of the shit I'm trying to forget exists for an hour and makes me feel I'm supporting things I passionately disagree with.
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Old 11-05-2017, 12:50 AM   #8830
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Okay. I understand that.
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Given enough time to digest it, I can now confidently say Drones was my least favourite Muse album.
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Old 13-05-2017, 06:26 PM   #8832
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Given enough time to digest it, I can now confidently say Drones was my least favourite Muse album.
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Old 15-05-2017, 12:34 PM   #8834
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To be honest, I'd be curious to know at this point how many people who know all of Muse's albums would choose any of the last three as their favourite...
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I definitely know a few people but it's still so strange to me. I mean I get that it's opinions and all that but there's this huge metalhead who just loves The Resistance and T2L and when I ask him about Origin of Symmetry he's like "honestly, meh".
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