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Old 16-02-2018, 04:09 AM   #1966
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Although I listened to the song on YouTube, I couldn't be bothered to pay attention to the video. Actually not even the audio was worth my attention. I still don't like this sort of Queen-wannabe style. The song is so repetetive, doesn't go anywhere, feels pointless and forgettable. *sigh*


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He had the opportunity to explain the "Final Solution" line.

He didn't.
What are the chances he didn't even know what he wrote there?
Wow, that interview made me grumpy. I can't believed Matt replaced the theremin. What a shame. And the verse was heavier!
He has weird ideas of what makes songs great and no idea about what fans like.
"If anything, what we're going to wind up with here is an album where all the songs are going to be better." and "I think it'll be our greatest album in terms of the quality of individual songs."

And regarding gigs: Can't they just be all about the music like they used to?!
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Old 16-02-2018, 04:24 AM   #1967
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Although I listened to the song on YouTube, I couldn't be bothered to pay attention to the video. Actually not even the audio was worth my attention. I still don't like this sort of Queen-wannabe style. The song is so repetetive, doesn't go anywhere, feels pointless and forgettable. *sigh*

I don't get any queen-wannabe vibe from this one. The millennial chants sound like a dime a dozen, but not like queen-style harmonies this time.

In fact, if there is anything positive to say about this song, it's that it doesn't sound like anything they've done before. Sadly, in this case, that counts as a negative as well.
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Old 16-02-2018, 04:26 AM   #1968
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What are the chances he didn't even know what he wrote there?
Yeah, I'm not sure what would be worse...

If he didn't, I suspect he picked it up online somewhere and didn't get the reference.
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Old 16-02-2018, 04:30 AM   #1969
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Did think it was cool when he said that sci-fi synth is actually his voice, just heavily modified and pitched up.
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Old 16-02-2018, 04:36 AM   #1970
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Did think it was cool when he said that sci-fi synth is actually his voice, just heavily modified and pitched up.
wait that's awesome. There's so much he could do with that.
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Old 16-02-2018, 05:13 AM   #1971
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Defector was lusssshhhh

Reapers and Revolt were pretty cool as well imo.
Defector is decent, just soiled by the rest of the song for me I guess.

Reapers was a bit all over the place - only part I really like is the whammy part at the end when it comes back to the chorus progression - and Revolt while working in context of the song was ehh.

Now that I think about it, the last time I was really impressed by Matt's guitar work was probably Animals.
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Old 16-02-2018, 05:15 AM   #1972
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I feel so lost. Thought Contagion is not amazing, but not everything Muse does will be. It's not this horrific monstrosity a lot of the board seem to be saying it is. It's a solid 3/5, maybe more for me.
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Old 16-02-2018, 05:17 AM   #1973
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I feel so lost. Thought Contagion is not amazing, but not everything Muse does will be. It's not this horrific monstrosity a lot of the board seem to be saying it is. It's a solid 3/5, maybe more for me.
If this board can agree on anything, it won't have anything to do with recent Muse output.
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Old 16-02-2018, 06:19 AM   #1974
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Catchy as hell. Not what I was expecting or wanting but enjoy it all the same.
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Old 16-02-2018, 07:34 AM   #1975
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It's ok, but what's frustrating is that I get the sense this had the makings of being a very cool song. I can see where it would be similar to Fury. Makes me concerned about this method they're trying of doing one song at a time rather than an album.

Still, I'll take this type of direction over more Madness type songs any day. Oh and I like the video. It's always better when Muse go for goofy over serious.
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Old 16-02-2018, 08:25 AM   #1976
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Also, to all the naysayers, you're allowed to dislike the track but don't kid yourself, Muse have always made fairly commercial music, in conjunction with moments that are left field on albums...
Uh, left field... Easy now.

The difference between the past and now is that Matt has forgotten how to write a good song.
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Old 16-02-2018, 08:56 AM   #1977
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The 2nd and 3rd choruses happen in such rapid succession I only just clicked they were actually separate.
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Old 16-02-2018, 09:20 AM   #1978
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That "final solution" line is a bit shocking, in that, as others have said, HOW many people worked on this song and no one mentioned it as a problem???
Then again, that Kylie Jenner Pepsi ad and that H&M ad made it to publication...

Unfortunately, the lyrics are so vague, that it's actually tough to be sure that Matt didn't know exactly what it meant, and to interpret the context that he's using it in.
Alongside lyrics about "false beliefs" "wipe the slate" and knowing that he's written a negative song about "globalists" I'm not entirely comfortable with it.

This isn't really an issue of "everyone being offended;" it's referencing a horrific genocide in a manner that's not just irreverent, but way too open to interpretation.
And it's just plain and simple not a good climate for it right now.
^This.

The idea of it being played live, encouraging thousands of people to shout along "brace yourself for the Final Solution" just turns my stomach. Whatever their intent, it's not something you glibly fuck around with. I will be amazed if there isn't a massive public backlash.

Edit: I believe it was a line written from a position of racial genocide being something to fear amid the rise of the alt-right, Trump and 'alternative facts' - and Matt's Rolling Stone interview and other lyrics seem to suggest that. But even then, the lyrics are worded troublingly ambiguously. It could as easily be interpreted as being the ravings of a white supremacist angered by 'liberal PC fake news'. Especially as Matt has flirted with elements of the alt-right such as Alex Jones and Brexit in recent years. It's kind of left to fit in with whichever mindset you approach it from on an issue you simply cannot do that with.
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Old 16-02-2018, 09:50 AM   #1979
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I don’t think there was any intent to cause any harm. If the “Final Solution” line is intended to be a reference to the Holocaust, then I think that the “war crimes” line earlier on in the song clearly shows that he is repulsed by the events (as any human should be)
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I'm interested that the 'bitten by' parts seem to be so popular. I think that part is what turned me off the most. It's so repetitive and such an annoying lyric.
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