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Old 21-11-2018, 11:19 PM   #7981
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Still giving them shit for the American legs. But I've also said the audiences are also responsible.
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Old 23-11-2018, 10:48 PM   #7982
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Old 24-11-2018, 11:48 AM   #7983
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Objectively wrong.
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Old 24-11-2018, 10:52 PM   #7984
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Muse have no terrible songs.
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Old 25-11-2018, 11:30 AM   #7985
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Hardcore fans are too harsh on Muse live, and that’s not me being elitist or getting on a high horse ‘cos I used to be just as bad.

A lot of what they get criticised for is actually pretty understandable and we often create our own disappointment by hoping for ideals (just ‘cos of how much we like them and their music tbf) and following every set. Hearing them talk about the live shows and individual songs, you can see how much care they put into it and I actually feel bad seeing some of the levels of criticism that gets thrown their way a little too easily, including stuff I used to say.
This whole comment should be framed and hanged in the living room for everyone to admire.

In all seriousness, though, I agree with everything, but obviously a good dose of healthy criticism never hurts.
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Old 25-11-2018, 04:40 PM   #7986
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Oh yeah, I didn’t mean to imply they were totally immune to criticism. The last tour did have too much playback/filler (NKOK in particular being a bafflingly poor choice imo), I don’t see a reasonable reason for the US to get shorter shows more often, and the way fans are addressed can be a bit careless at times.

But some of the most common stuff like getting on at them for mainly playing the hits, demanding rotation (then moaning if it’s not what x person wants), an often arbitrary minimum # of songs, 1 or 2 dedicated rarity slots and claiming the band are lazy, don’t care or are even contemptuous when one or two of these things aren’t met isn’t fair or anywhere near accurate, to me.
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Old 25-11-2018, 09:51 PM   #7987
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The assumption that if Muse play good but rare songs the audience will be into it anyways should have died during The 2nd Law era but still carries on and fuels some of those demands.

Now, how we got there, how much of that is the band's fault, and whether it should be considered a "fault" at all is another discussion.
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Old 25-11-2018, 10:05 PM   #7988
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Ah! Now it gets interesting!! *grabsPopcorn*

I think Muse, well Matt, should try including 1 or 2 rare songs into every set. Yes, not a new idea-it seems Matt never thinks about it or believes it won't work. Casuals could get used to it, don't play 2 back to back, would please fans and maybe casuals would hear a new song and like it, search for it ...

But I can already read and see fans bitching about it, wanting specific songs and not being satisfied - so this won't ever happen.

but I wish it would.
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Old 08-12-2018, 12:49 PM   #7989
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Muse could drop every political song over the past four albums and I'd be happy. Their most compelling material occurs where Matt finds new and honest ways to explore his condition.

SH is an exception only because it's missing the point. The band didn't enjoy touring Drones because on some level I believe they knew it was nonsense. This is also why they need to stop playing Psycho, the epitome of Muse's hamfisted 8th grade politics.

Don't get me wrong, Animals is a great song, but it becomes unlistenable once you've processed and memorised the musical ideas. All that's left are some platitudes about how bankers are evil and should commit suicide. Same applies for Uprising, Unnatural Selection, Supremacy, Explorers, and most of Drones.

Matt writes significantly better songs when he takes himself seriously as a lyricist, not as a politician.
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Old 09-12-2018, 07:44 PM   #7991
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The songs are great but the flow is really lacking imo.

Controversial opinion: Feeling Good is a solid 8.
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The songs are great but the flow is really lacking imo.

Controversial opinion: Feeling Good is a solid 8.

Of course not the same level as OoS. But yes, I agree.
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