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Old 13-02-2017, 11:28 AM   #7816
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I've seen Muse 8 times and had KoC as a closer on all but two - the 2013 gigs being the odd ones out. I still enjoy it, and to some degree, I still enjoy Man with a Harmonica as an opener. But as Harmonica has been the KoC prelude for almost 9 years, surely there's a real lack of imagination in keeping it around.
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Honestly I preferred guitarless Starlight as a closer over Knights.
I got the idea why the band had the idea of using Starlight as a closer, as a mid-tempo singalong to end the night is not the absolute worst idea, is certainly a different example, and the song is one of Muse's big songs, but compared with Survival or Knights, it felt oddly anti-climactic, and Matt jumping around instead of guitar-playing just looked a bit odd.
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Old 13-02-2017, 01:43 PM   #7817
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Those stadium gigs would've been so much better if they switched the two encores and ended on Uns, PiB and Survival. That'd have been a great finale.
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Old 13-02-2017, 01:47 PM   #7818
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Those stadium gigs would've been so much better if they switched the two encores and ended on Uns, PiB and Survival. That'd have been a great finale.
Yeah that could've worked, although I did think Undisclosed Desires into Unsustainable worked.

Maybe have UD, Unsustainable, Uprising and Startits,, then IS, PiB and Survival as the finale?
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Old 13-02-2017, 02:09 PM   #7819
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Honestly, as little sense as Starlight made at the time, I actually started to like it, at least from a screen. it felt very sentimental and the song actually packed more of an emotional punch when played like that.
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Old 13-02-2017, 03:48 PM   #7820
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I can understand their playing their biggest hit as a closer, and I don't really mind. It just felt weird the first time because I wasn't expecting them to close with Starlight so I had this "huh? Is that it?" moment.
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Old 13-02-2017, 07:58 PM   #7821
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I can understand their playing their biggest hit as a closer, and I don't really mind. It just felt weird the first time because I wasn't expecting them to close with Starlight so I had this "huh? Is that it?" moment.
Starlight is their biggest hit?

I mean, I always assumed it was Uprising, which I would honestly prefer as a closer over Starlight.
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Old 13-02-2017, 08:11 PM   #7822
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I don't think they have an out-and-out biggest hit. You can narrow it down to a small bunch and, even then, it differs between countries/continents.
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Old 13-02-2017, 08:37 PM   #7823
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Not sure if it is objectively their biggest hit, but they see and treat it as such.
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Old 13-02-2017, 08:38 PM   #7824
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I don't think they have an out-and-out biggest hit. You can narrow it down to a small bunch and, even then, it differs between countries/continents.
Now that's also true. I think their highest charting one in the US is Uprising, but I don't know about other countries.
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Old 13-02-2017, 11:12 PM   #7825
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Their biggest hit in the US was Madness, by far.

Starlight does remain their most universally recognized hit, though, it seems.
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Old 14-02-2017, 12:27 AM   #7826
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By chart performance their biggest UK hit is Supermassive Black Hole, which hit #4, so that's usually a decent crowd mover, though I'd say Plug in Baby, Starlight, TIRO and KoC are generally the main ones that garner consistently great crowd reactions.

I'd ordinarily say Uprising would but I don't really remember it getting a frenzied reaction as much as certain others. Certainly I do recall Brighton where the crowd weren't really that interested in it. Maybe my mind's a bit out on this, but I can recall the crowd being more up for Dead Star than Madness at the Emirates. Or least where I was.
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iirc, Madness didn't do that well other than the US? It set some sort of alternative radio longevity record over here.
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Old 14-02-2017, 01:37 AM   #7828
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Not sure Muse's more recent out-and-out pop stuff has been all that well received over here tbh. Madness usually gets muted reactions and UD was one of their biggest flops iirc. Don't think DI did amazing either, could be wrong on that though. Psycho did pretty well for itself, so maybe that's a sign of...something, idk.

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Their biggest hit in the US was Madness, by far.

Starlight does remain their most universally recognized hit, though, it seems.
Having checked on Wikipedia, I discovered something interesting. Though both Uprising and Madness made it to #1 on the alternative charts and both went 2 Platinum, Uprising also peaked at #37 on the Billboard Hot 100, while Madness only went to #45. So technically, that makes Muse a one-hit wonder in the US.

Man, our country really does suck, doesn't it?
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Old 14-02-2017, 02:54 AM   #7830
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The charts are so messed up and segregated in the US it's kind of hard to judge.
Madness set an overall record for weeks at #1, even if it wasn't the "mainstream" charts, so I think it's still safe to call it a "hit."

It also garnered them a more "mainstream" crowd (despite not being on those charts) than Uprising ever did, and the band themselves complains about that.

It IS interesting to realize how big Uprising actually was in the US, considering the band's belief that the US crowd isn't into their "rock" songs in the slightest (proven again by Reapers being dropped for half of the tour despite being exceptionally successful at rock radio.)
My belief is that in being a generic "political" anthem that could be attributed to pretty much any side of the fence had as much or more to do with it's popularity than the genre of the song.
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