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Old 16-11-2017, 06:41 AM   #841
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It's pretty gross that the media outlets covering it are all pasting the band's posts defending themselves all over the articles, but not addressing the allegations in the slightest.
With everything going on right now, sending the message that people should only care what the band is saying is pretty wrong.
Yeah, fortunately the amount of these defence statements that have turned out to be bollocks recently means that they canít instantly dispell red flags like they otherwise might but the voices of the people speaking up do seem to be getting somewhat smothered with this one.

I know Muse have never been the most outspoken bunch when things like this happen but Iíll be disappointed if nothing gets said and they keep them on ngl.

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Old 16-11-2017, 07:49 AM   #842
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Old 16-11-2017, 06:39 PM   #843
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I know Muse have never been the most outspoken bunch when things like this happen but Iíll be disappointed if nothing gets said and they keep them on ngl.
Looks like Iím gonna be disappointed :/

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Idk why I didnít know about this before but thank you.
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Old 16-11-2017, 07:52 PM   #844
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Yeah, that whole Dr Pepper thing really made me think someone from Muse would rush to defend women's rights...
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Old 16-11-2017, 09:14 PM   #845
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Yeah, that whole Dr Pepper thing really made me think someone from Muse would rush to defend women's rights...
Wasn’t sure what you meant but gave it a google and do you mean the logo for that Beatles cover band Matt was in for a night? Didn’t know about that ngl. It is pretty distasteful and was probs the result of a bad joke (can’t help but smell a bit of Miles Kane on it) but staying silent and continuing to partner with a support act that’s been getting up to actively illegal sexual stuff like NBT allegedly have is a lot worse imo.

Just a disappointing lack of integrity to see from a favourite band, especially when they seemingly aren’t shy about voicing their opinions on other things.

Edit: inb4 “muse, integrity? lmao”
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Old 16-11-2017, 09:46 PM   #846
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Wasn’t sure what you meant but gave it a google and do you mean the logo for that Beatles cover band Matt was in for a night? Didn’t know about that ngl. It is pretty distasteful and was probs the result of a bad joke (can’t help but smell a bit of Miles Kane on it) but staying silent and continuing to partner with a support act that’s been getting up to actively illegal sexual stuff like NBT allegedly have is a lot worse imo.

Just a disappointing lack of integrity to see from a favourite band, especially when they seemingly aren’t shy about voicing their opinions on other things.

Edit: inb4 “muse, integrity? lmao”
The logo was disappointing, but it was more the circumstances surrounding it. It's nowhere to be found anymore, but after a few vocal fans started speaking out on IG about the logo, the page creator started making terrible comments, and changing the caption on the pic to sexualized insults of which "eat a dick" was the most pleasant. Matt's name being plastered on a page that was associated with that, whether or not he wrote it since we'll never know, did not impress me.
And yes, Miles Kane... Matt's friend who is a cocaine addled sexual harasser.

And these allegations should be made in public because they encourage others to come forward. They are HELPFUL to show others that they can take their lives back, and they're not alone in standing up to often very powerful and protected people.

And because, especially in the case of powerful people, NOTHING is going to be done. We need to speak to the culture that allows this shit to happen in the first place, and arm people with what they need to make changes, whether that is speaking out, or being forced to realize that this kind of bullshit won't be tolerated in silence any longer.

Allegations of sexual assault and harassment are often by nature especially hard to prove. That in no way means everyone should just shut up about it because there isn't concrete evidence to be presented. Unless we're advocating for some sort of police state where 100% of our lives are on video, or something.
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Old 16-11-2017, 09:50 PM   #847
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It’s not just one allegation tbf, I’d treat that with caution as well if it was. There’s multiple stories coming out from different people w/ similar experiences and pretty convincing screenshots/photos to back it up. Personally, I don’t think waiting for definitive legal punishment can necessarily be relied upon in situations where you’ve got a band with decent legal firepower and the ability to pressure people out of speaking either (one of whom has suggested that they’ve already faced both of these things). Like Serpent says, cases like this are already hard to prove and sometimes not taken seriously as it is, without these extra factors.

I think there is a guilt by association thing with other bands cutting ties but I think it also sends a good message to those acts’ fans - letting them know to avoid getting lured in by band members if they’re young ‘cos it’s not right (and illegal tmk).

Edit: ^ that is fucked btw Serpent, didn’t know about that. All I can hope is that Matt doesn’t really know or at least isn’t friendly with whichever dickhead wrote that, however doubtful.
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Old 16-11-2017, 09:59 PM   #848
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Honestly, unless you're Taylor Swift, how are you going to win a case saying someone lifted your skirt and groped you? Or worse.
Abusers too often have a free pass as long as they don't leave a mark on (or I guess, in) their victim. Even then, people have deniability, slut shaming the accusers as "groupies" or fame whores, in the event that they're famous. They have legions of fans that will flock to stand up for them.
There's a lot of courage involved in coming forward with allegations against people like that. I highly doubt they do it for some sort of internet fame, or the lols. They're more likely to get more harassment and death threats.

I don't at all think it's out of line for a promoter to say "hey, we're going to put this on hold for now until the truth comes out" if for no other reason than it IS bad publicity for all involved.

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Old 16-11-2017, 10:12 PM   #849
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^^^ totally agree

Watching the response to these girls speaking on twitter has made me feel sick. Almost every response I see is either blaming the girls for being “naive”, claiming it’s not illegal (it is) or that not all of it is illegal (? also - it is), or that they’re attention seeking. All because they like the band. Hell, #staystrongNBT has even been started as a response

If social media is what people have to use to get taken remotely seriously about these things nowadays, I say go for it. Without that, we won’t see change to how these things are treated/perceived and a band as big as Muse coming out and standing with the victims at least out of caution would send a good message imo. Staying quiet and allowing it to slide under the carpet just perpetuates things.
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Old 16-11-2017, 10:40 PM   #850
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Bunch of allegations of sexual harassment/interactions with underage fans from what I've seen. They've already had their own support act drop out of gigging with them tmk.

Edit: NME have cancelled an appearance they were supposed to make at one of their shows as well.
oh shit that's messed up.

Love their music but if that's the case and the allegations are true then I hope Muse do make the decision to drop them.
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Old 16-11-2017, 11:32 PM   #851
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oh shit that's messed up.

Love their music but if that's the case and the allegations are true then I hope Muse do make the decision to drop them.
I do hope that’s the only reason why they’re waiting to do/say something.

Personally though, like me and Serpent said, I think a decision needs to be made anyway tbh. It’s incredibly easy for something like this to get brushed aside legally, even if it is true - you just can’t rely on that. For me, the evidence and allegations are strong enough to justifiably make a decision even just as a precaution - as NME and their support act showed straight away.

If proper legal action goes through and the band are still found unequivocably innocent, maybe bring them back on board. Until then, sometimes you’ve gotta take the initiative imo, especially when you’re experienced in the industry and know what it can be like.
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Idk why I didnít know about this before but thank you.
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Wow, I honestly had no idea about the NBT thing. Love their music and sound, quite the shock. Is there anywhere where those allegations are further detailed? I can only find the band's rebuttal on the web.
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