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Old 08-12-2016, 06:31 PM   #16
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Not sure I'd call James Blunt "highly talented". But pretty much anyone who has a huge hit which is played everywhere for years will be hated. People like hating on things.
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Old 08-12-2016, 06:35 PM   #17
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It's fashionable to act cooler than popular stuff in the first place. (As one of the posts in this very thread illustrates.)

But yeah, the longer someone is around, the more the public often turns against them.

And even James Blunt hates that song now.
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:39 PM   #18
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I figured out that Muse hate is only strong in UK. They are pretty much seen as those crazy space rock guys in the rest of Europe from my experience
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:43 PM   #19
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The British are notorious for knocking down anyone who becomes very famous. Craig David and James Blunt are two highly talented musicians it became fashionable to hate. I think it's the same with Muse. I don't know whether this happens on other countries.
Who hates Craig David!?

James Blunt is a loveable cunt though.

The UK doesn't hate people who become famous, we tend to hate commercialisation and 'establishment', which sadly often goes hand in hand with success.
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There's probably an element of fatigue as well tbf. Muse have been headlining arenas, stadiums and festivals here for the best part of 15 years, and all their albums since Absolution have been #1 on the UK album charts, so there's probably a lot of people who have become bored of them.

Plus as said, its always been cool to hate on stadium bands as sell-out mainstream twaddle.
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Old 09-12-2016, 02:51 AM   #22
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There are probably a few reasons.
  1. The haters are just pop fans with no taste (which applies to a lot of haters of rock bands).
  2. They think that Muse sold out with Drones (or The 2nd Law, or The Resistance, or Black Holes and Revelations, or Absolution).
  3. They think of Muse as a Radiohead ripoff (which they aren't).
  4. They resent the fact that Muse's music was used in the Twilight films.
  5. They're racist against British people.

Any of these could be possible. Who knows?
Good Points. I listen to some of Radiohead songs and while a couple of Muse songs sound similar, they were quite old for the band and even then it was because they just sounded like a 'rock' song. It's like saying one Jazz song sounds like another. It's just because they're similar styles.
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Old 09-12-2016, 02:56 AM   #23
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I figured out that Muse hate is only strong in UK. They are pretty much seen as those crazy space rock guys in the rest of Europe from my experience
And in Australia (at least for me), not a lot of people know who they are, never even heard of them. Though they do recognise Uprising at least. I know one other person who knows Muse and that's because she is a huge fan of Dan and Phil...
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Good Points. I listen to some of Radiohead songs and while a couple of Muse songs sound similar, they were quite old for the band and even then it was because they just sounded like a 'rock' song. It's like saying one Jazz song sounds like another. It's just because they're similar styles.
Not really tbf. Back in the Showbiz days, the Radiohead comparisons were pretty fair. From OOS onwards they were obvs totally different bands but the 'radioheadlol' meme had become a thing so it stuck around, that's about the only extent that it has though.
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Pretty sure they came out and said as much at the time iirc.
Is there a source for this? Because if so... hoo boy.

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How do they have no taste if they're pop fans? Their taste is obviously pop music, or does that not count?
I don't know if I'd count "songs" like "Anaconda" as music.

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Good Points. I listen to some of Radiohead songs and while a couple of Muse songs sound similar, they were quite old for the band and even then it was because they just sounded like a 'rock' song. It's like saying one Jazz song sounds like another. It's just because they're similar styles.
At least with Showbiz and Origin of Symmetry, I could sort of hear where they were coming from, but you have to remember that by that point, Radiohead was long past the OK Computer era and had moved on to weird electronic music, becoming mostly just the Thom Yorke show, so if Radiohead wasn't going to give us rock, then why not have Muse take over? (Especially since by Absolution, the Radiohead influences were practically invisible.)

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Not really tbf. Back in the Showbiz days, the Radiohead comparisons were pretty fair. From OOS onwards they were obvs totally different bands but the 'radioheadlol' meme had become a thing so it stuck around, that's about the only extent that it has though.
I swear if I have to hear that meme from one other Muse hater I am going to flip.

Though I've heard Matt Bellamy's voice called a ripoff of Thom Yorke's, but... nah, Thom has a more somber depressing tone while Matt goes for extreme hamminess. Also, both are British singers in the alternative scene who cite Jeff Buckley as an influence. Of course they're going to sound alike. Doesn't make one a ripoff of the other, though. Saying one band is a ripoff of the other just because their singers sound alike is BS.

This is like all those people in the '70s who claimed that Queen, Black Sabbath, and Led Zeppelin were all Cream ripoffs.
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Old 09-12-2016, 06:23 AM   #26
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Is there a source for this? Because if so... hoo boy.
Can't remember any specific sources but I distinctly remember Matt saying something like "we knew that'd get the biggest reaction so we put that out first to freak people out". Not really surprising tbf, it was obvious that was the reason anyway.

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At least with Showbiz and Origin of Symmetry, I could sort of hear where they were coming from, but you have to remember that by that point, Radiohead was long past the OK Computer era and had moved on to weird electronic music
I'm not sure what Radiohead you can hear on Origin

(also the comparisons were at their peak when Showbiz came out, which was a year before Kid A and people's perception of RH started to change)

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I swear if I have to hear that meme from one other Muse hater I am going to flip.

Though I've heard Matt Bellamy's voice called a ripoff of Thom Yorke's, but... nah, Thom has a more somber depressing tone while Matt goes for extreme hamminess. Also, both are British singers in the alternative scene who cite Jeff Buckley as an influence. Of course they're going to sound alike. Doesn't make one a ripoff of the other, though. Saying one band is a ripoff of the other just because their singers sound alike is BS.

This is like all those people in the '70s who claimed that Queen, Black Sabbath, and Led Zeppelin were all Cream ripoffs.
Ripoff is the wrong word because it implies that the similarities were intentional, I can fully understand why people (including Thom) who didn't really know the band well enough thought they were back then though. There are quite a few similarities between Showbiz and The Bends/OKC besides Matt and Thom's voices.
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I don't know if I'd count "songs" like "Anaconda" as music.
Well then I'm not sure you know what music is.
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I've never really come across any Muse hate online. I guess I don't hang out on too many places where such things are discussed. In real life, at least in the US, most people seem quite enthusiastic about them, or they're indifferent. They're not summoning negative emotions like Nickelback or Justin Bieber do.

This board, of course, loves to throw around some healthy dislike for the band, or at least part of their discography. Which is fair, mostly, because even if it's a matter of taste they sure give us some legitimate causes for discussion.
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At least with Showbiz and Origin of Symmetry, I could sort of hear where they were coming from, but you have to remember that by that point, Radiohead was long past the OK Computer era and had moved on to weird electronic music, becoming mostly just the Thom Yorke show, so if Radiohead wasn't going to give us rock, then why not have Muse take over? (Especially since by Absolution, the Radiohead influences were practically invisible.)
Radiohead is very much all members, far from the Thom Yorke show. Also Johnny Greenwood 'solo' stuff is far weirder than anything put out by Radiohead, who are far from 'weird electronic music', more radio-friendly versions of Warp Records stuff at their weirdest.
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