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Old Yesterday, 10:07 PM   #2056
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I don't really see the social troubles of marginalized groups on the news much.
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Old Yesterday, 10:11 PM   #2057
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Nah that's mostly a very specific type of news, fair enough. But I was reacting to the examples like the boss not giving a shit about you being gay (I mean...as long as you don't try anything on him)
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I don't know. Media tells me everyday that I should fear my neighbor and that we've never been more divided and honestly when I step outside my social media commentary bubble and interact with people I find there's a lot to love and connect over.

I would not outright dismiss The idea that the 24 7 news cycle hasn't impacted the way we see the world.
Iím the last one to claim that the American news media are a beacon of integrity, and I too grow tired of the same talking heads talking about the same damn thing every day. But my main criticism is not they are painting a bleaker version of reality. Quite the opposite actually. I wished they would start showing in-depth detailed on the ground reporting where real people, rather than talking heads, get to tell their story. Show us the animals that are going extinct as a result of an administration that removes protections and allows agricultural poisons that have been banned elsewhere and show us the scientists who study this. Show us the people who are dying because they canít afford to go to the doctor. Show us the moment when ICE barges through the door and arrests parents in front of their children. Show us how the rich are spending their day after getting a tax break versus the poor who canít feed their kids after their cost of living has gone up and their benefits have gone down. Show us the racist bullshit people of color have to deal with outside the context of political rallies.

For a lot people the real world isnít better than what we hear on the news. Itís worse.

In addition to that. A lot of the horrors the news is warning us about arenít visible in our every day lives. Yet. Of course we donít see how corporations, billionaires, fascists and foreign powers are wiggling their way into our democratic process. But that doesnít mean we wonít all suffer the long-term consequences if they get to do it unchecked. And it definitely doesnít mean that the reason I donít see it happening in my every day life means that it isnít happening at all.

Final thing. I donít ever get from the news that I should fear my neighbor.
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Old Yesterday, 10:36 PM   #2059
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I bolded policy because I don't see the point of demonizing people for disagreements on how to come to the same goal on an issue. I certainly think there are moral issues that I can't get behind the opposing side on, but even then it is not worth my emotional health to spend my life hating and combating them on social media, or arranging my life and communications in a way that puts their stupid asses at the forefront of my mind.

Spread love and love spreads. More people have their minds changed by positive interactions with people they are supposed to hate than anything I suspect.
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Old Yesterday, 10:44 PM   #2060
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Yes you do. The refugee is your neighbor. The gun owner is your neighbor. The Hilary supporter is your neighbor. The Republican is your neighbor. The trans kid using the bathroom at school is your neighbor. The Christian who believes in evolution is your neighbor The Muslim who prays 5 times a day is your neighbor. The Jew who did a stint in the IDF is your neighbor.

Are you saying you are not getting messages about how to feel about these people on an hourly basis from mass media?
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I bolded policy because I don't see the point of demonizing people for disagreements on how to come to the same goal on an issue. I certainly think there are moral issues that I can't get behind the opposing side on, but even then it is not worth my emotional health to spend my life hating and combating them on social media, or arranging my life and communications in a way that puts their stupid asses at the forefront of my mind.

Spread love and love spreads. More people have their minds changed by positive interactions with people they are supposed to hate than anything I suspect.
And who am I to say that you should! But the problem is that it's not just a political debate that's supposed to be fun for everyone. Some people are actually affected by which policy the people in charge decide to go with. And while arguing on the internet won't help anyone, I am most certainly gonna say "fuck off" to anyone who stands behind these ideas that infringe on human rights in all but technicalities.

I'm not gonna tell you to check your privilege, but you surely understand why not everyone will just be better off not caring about what certain politicians and voters stand for and what is said in the news.
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Maybe I do need to check my privilege.

I've been low income all my life and very few if any decisions made in Washington have affected my life to the point I felt powerless to combat it. I've been told I should feel that way though. I choose not to I guess. And I feel I'm happier for it.

I'm trying to keep this on topic so I keep trying to bring it back to the song but I can't even remember the argument I'm supposed to be making haha.

I don't want you to think I'm not willing to keep defending my point I'm just going to step away to gain some clarity.
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Old Yesterday, 11:43 PM   #2063
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I don't think what Matt is saying is "Shut off the news and be happy",And come on, do you really think that Matt was making a holocaust joke?
"Sometimes your anxieties about the world or your anxieties about the world of the future can be lessened by turning the news off and turning your phone off for a few days. You then realize that everything is fine!" - Matt Bellamy, Rolling Stone, a couple days ago

So, that's pretty much EXACTLY what he's saying. Minus the "pretty much" part.

He makes a Holocaust lyric in a silly song, telling people how silly it is to get worked up about current events.
Maybe "joke" wasn't the right word, but what it really is (other than fucking stupid) defies being summed up in a short word or phrase (other than fucking stupid.)

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I also appreciate the irony of a lot of people disliking the song but recognising how it got stuck in their heads :P
Why is this ironic? I've had all sorts of songs that I find fucking terrible stuck in my head over my lifetime.
Being catchy doesn't make it good, or even enjoyable. Unless you think jingles for soda and kids' shoes are examples of good music.

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Because the alternative is to stop making a big deal out of these things, and we will quickly fall back into objectification, ableism and whatnot without questioning it.

And saying that it's a "difference of opinion on policy" is a nicer way of describing it than actually explaining what those policies are. Are those policies about infringing on the rights of marginalized groups? Are they about defunding planned parenthood? And are the opinions of the person voting actually WORSE than what can be described by the policies they stand behind? Should I just say "well agree to disagree, I won't let political policies stand in the way of our friendship" to someone who thinks that homosexual people should receive conversion therapy?
Honestly, just so much this.
The fringe side of one political group's "policies" are essentially human rights violations.
This isn't a debate about fiscal policy, it's about a group of people who aren't shy to advocate for throwing brown people out of the country, blocking people of certain religions from even visiting the country, allowing stores to refuse to serve you based on sexual orientation, refusing basic healthcare needs to women, escalating kids' schools to warzone levels, and on, and on and on.
It DESERVES outrage.
People saying you can't live with a constant sense of outrage... but there's a ton of people who can't live their lives if people aren't constantly outraged and pushing for basic civil rights.

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Yes you do. The refugee is your neighbor. The gun owner is your neighbor. The Hilary supporter is your neighbor. The Republican is your neighbor. The trans kid using the bathroom at school is your neighbor. The Christian who believes in evolution is your neighbor The Muslim who prays 5 times a day is your neighbor. The Jew who did a stint in the IDF is your neighbor.

Are you saying you are not getting messages about how to feel about these people on an hourly basis from mass media?
Almost ALL of this seems exclusive to Fox News, and places like it.
I've never even seen other mainstream media denigrate Christianity; the "attack on Christians" is more likely to be spread on Fox and for how often far right sources bring it up, it's startlingly lacking in other media, even "left leaning" stuff.

The only one that legitimately comes up in other major news sources is the gun ownership issues, and it's about damn time we have that conversation when our children are constantly being gunned down at school.
That's not fearmongering, that's the reality of HUNDREDS of people being shot and killed at school. Of kids going through "active shooter" drills at school. That's fucking insane.

And none of it, NOTHING will improve by closing our eyes to it.
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Old Today, 04:19 AM   #2064
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I thought the whole point about the media’s constant recycling of / discussion of the worldview of Trump and his ilk is that they are unwittingly doing his dirty work for him - hence Thought Contagion, for contagion is what it is.

(However, I do think the song is lyrically lazy, as if Matt wrote it in a hurry.)
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Old Today, 04:51 AM   #2065
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I donít get why itís so difficult to understand that bad lyrics that are in your face can be an issue no matter how little you care about lyrics in general. Actually Iím pretty sure Tuck Norris understands this, heís just pretending not to so his post seems more logical.
They really are not in your face though. The lyrics are second to the music with Muse, always have been. In 2001, he was asked what the lyrics of New Born were about, he didnt have a clue what to say.

Its a great track, regardless of the lyrics. The bassline is amazing, and i love the little piano bits on the first "bitten by" section. And the "woooaaahhh" bits are catchy as hell.
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Old Today, 05:42 AM   #2066
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They really are not in your face though. The lyrics are second to the music with Muse, always have been. In 2001, he was asked what the lyrics of New Born were about, he didnt have a clue what to say.

Its a great track, regardless of the lyrics. The bassline is amazing, and i love the little piano bits on the first "bitten by" section. And the "woooaaahhh" bits are catchy as hell.
The importance of the lyrics have clearly changed though, which should be obvious when you listen to interviews about lyrics more current than 2001...

Go and listen to some interviews from 2015 and tell me if he had a clue or not.

Not to mention that their importance to Matt is quite irrelevant anyway. The vocals are almost always placed in the middle and are supposed to cut through the other instruments. If they’re not in your face, then someone has severely fucked up when mixing (there are of course exceptions, but very rarely with Muse). How important the lyrics are to Matt doesn’t really matter when he’s singing “your aaaass belongs to meee nooow”, because it’s still in my face.
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They really are not in your face though. The lyrics are second to the music with Muse, always have been.
Are muse making shoegaze? The lyrics are second to the music because Matt is awful at it.
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You guys are complaining about the lyrics, yet you are having an intellectual discussion about the meaning of them, about 4 pages in this thread worth in fact.

So, technically, the song has created discussion about the effects of the media, so the lyrics are succesful then?

Back on topic though, i believe the worst media for this is in fact Facebook ( i dont use Twitter so cannot speak for that). It basically has an algorithm which works out qhich way you lean politically. For example, in the last two votes we had in the UK, i went with Remain and Labour. Guess what sort of propaganda i get on a daily basis?

It just concerns me that these people who went with Brexit and Trump are just in this "information bubble" where they are shown articles extolling the virtues of these ridiculous results, but they are never shown the other side of the debate, or are too set in their mentality to even consider the other sides views.

We have a major problem with racism in our town, in particular against our European guys. Its absolute bullshit. 90% of my staff are Lithuanian, and i often have to complain to the site manager about how they are treated. The truth is that they are absolutely fucking brilliant workers, they are reliable, and the vast majority were supplied to me by agencies, when their 6 months were up, i almost always call them up to the office and give them permanent contracts. It annoys me when some chavvy dickhead in a club starts on them, especially when they themselves have probably never worked a day in their life, but just whinge about how nobody does anything for them. Indeed has 368 jobs within 20 miles of the town, dont tell me you cant get a job. I really do believe that this hate is fuelled by things they see on Facebook like Britain First etc.

Sorry for the rant after a rant, but i look after my people
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The information bubble of Facebook is a natural result of its business model. As long as it continues to get support they have nostrong incentive to change. This applies to a lot of other social media. They've all been very slow.
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Arguably the worst lyricist in popular rock music for the past few years. Impressive.
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I really like Ruled By Secrecy.
His best, imo

Taking a step away from TC's lyrics specifically, on the whole his lyrics took a nose dive when he decided to make every other song a grand political statement, or condense a complicated issue or topic into a verse/chorus/verse/chorus structure. Matt has always written simple lyrics, but since The Resistance he's dumbed them down so much that it plays like a series of loosely connected catch phrases. There's nothing to read into them, even when they're so confused that they don't make much sense; pure tell, nothing to show. It's a shame, because when he was on form he wrote some really nice lyrics.
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