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Old 31-08-2008, 03:47 PM   #46
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wow yur doin muse for your EE? that would so much fun. why didnt i think of that??
im doin the vietnam war's influences on popular music.
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Old 31-08-2008, 03:51 PM   #47
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Extra bonus points go to anyone who knows what pieces the piano solo has been "quoted" from.
To be honest what is there to say? ''It is influenced by this piece of Music by this composer'' That is about it, you should look at the lyrics and the concept of the butterfly effect if anything.
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Old 31-08-2008, 04:50 PM   #48
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Obv the piano solo is directly inspired from Rach III.
Please ignore this for the sake of your final grade

There is no point within Rachmaninoff's 3rd which can be said to have directly inspired the solo in B&H. Like I said, the solo itself is a pastiche of the composition style which is associated with some late Classical / Romantic composers. You'd be safer writing that than suggesting Bellamy sat down and wrote that solo having listened to Rachmaninoff's 3rd (or any other piece) and decided to copy it. Even if he did, you'd be better staying on the safe side and spending more time discussing the meaning of the song and it's lyrics, as was said above.
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Old 31-08-2008, 04:59 PM   #49
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Please ignore this for the sake of your final grade

There is no point within Rachmaninoff's 3rd which can be said to have directly inspired the solo in B&H. Like I said, the solo itself is a pastiche of the composition style which is associated with some late Classical / Romantic composers. You'd be safer writing that than suggesting Bellamy sat down and wrote that solo having listened to Rachmaninoff's 3rd (or any other piece) and decided to copy it. Even if he did, you'd be better staying on the safe side and spending more time discussing the meaning of the song and it's lyrics, as was said above.
I think if you also have a rough idea at the marking criteria you can say really legitimately silly things that aren't actually true, to get you marks. The examiner isn't going to investigate Muse and their style, you just have to prove you deserve the marks.

Like in an essay ''Talk about a holiday you had once in your past to a penpal''

There are idiots that say ''lol i never been on holiday'' which may be true, but just make shit up so you get the marks to show the examiner you have communication skills. it's not really about where Muse got their influences from, it's to show you can identify them and express them properly, like identifying words in the lyrics which stick out, and giving reason for the choice of words Matt Bellamy uses in that song. If it were a music essay then you could talk about RACH 3 and various influences, key changes, chord voicings, and the elements of music.
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Old 31-08-2008, 09:53 PM   #50
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you could also go really deep into the linguistics of the lyrics and look at things like semantic/lexical fields within them! so theres words in there like 'fights, battles, revenge' conveying a sense of anger an stuff, then compare that to words and sentences like 'best youve got to be the best' and how in comparison to the angry lyrics these are much more uplifting, and bring out that quality more within the song! ha ha!

wow its been ages since ive done someone elses homework!
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Old 31-08-2008, 09:53 PM   #51
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http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?...ia+rachmaninov

Oh man took ages to write that post....

anyway look at what I've written on page one and you could write that in there as a 'side' kind of thing to prove your point.
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Old 01-09-2008, 12:56 AM   #52
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Its a music paper. So i'm looking at the influences mostly in the music. i.e. what makes the solo sound Romantic, where did Dom get the idea for his dance-like drum line from, who did matt hear crazy falsetto. The lyrics are of course a major part of it, but i reckon that's the easiest, and can fill up as much space as i need to reach the mere 3k word requirement.
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Old 05-09-2008, 10:48 PM   #53
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I'm about to start teaching the IB in two days so its strange seeing it raise its head on here. Falsetto voice? Jeff Buckley was an influence I believe. Also Matt has "small vocal chords" apparently (if that's not a wind up) so if you can, then why not? Interesting choice of EE though!
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Old 06-09-2008, 10:47 AM   #54
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You should mention the chromatic parts in the verse and the rather peculiar chord sequences which are obviously influenced more by romantic- style composers rather than modern day musicians, and the slight metal influence in the post- chorus riff.
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Old 07-09-2008, 01:03 AM   #55
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The piano solo hasn't been quoted from any existing classical piece. It is influenced by the style of various romantic composers, but is an original work in itself, only a pastiche of that particular style.
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Obv the piano solo is directly inspired from Rach III.
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Please ignore this for the sake of your final grade

There is no point within Rachmaninoff's 3rd which can be said to have directly inspired the solo in B&H. Like I said, the solo itself is a pastiche of the composition style which is associated with some late Classical / Romantic composers. You'd be safer writing that than suggesting Bellamy sat down and wrote that solo having listened to Rachmaninoff's 3rd (or any other piece) and decided to copy it. Even if he did, you'd be better staying on the safe side and spending more time discussing the meaning of the song and it's lyrics, as was said above.
Etc.

See this

It's Rach 2, Mvt. 3, not Rach 3, and no, it's not a direct quote but it's quite obvious where he got 90% of the music behind the cadenza section from
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Old 07-09-2008, 08:19 AM   #56
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I did IB. Great memories Good luck.

So, that pesky extended essay. The most important thing is just to write to the criteria, and dig deep. I went too shallow for my English essay, meh. Don't describe too much. If you need stuff to fill up your word limit, that's not a good sign :P Everyone cuts massive chunks out of their essays. Except possibly the science kids because so much science can be described in so few words.

Muse's influences seems kinda... descriptive, yeah. You can talk about Rach and Buckley and stuff, but looking at the actual chord progressions and things would be key, as you've said. So, focusing on what effects Muse's influences create and how they create said effects, rather than just identifying the influences.

Random thoughts: the solo sound romantic thanks to the rubato and sudden dynamic changes. And the chord progressions, but you'd know so much more about that than I do. Extensive use of chromatics throughout. The delay effect on the bass, which is mimicked by the piano, is probably just a general metal/rock/Muse thing.

On a tangent, it would be cool to look at the influence of the 'live' element on B&H. How the song changed from the studio version to the live version, and why those changes were made.

Oh, and contrary to one of the posters above, I'm willing to bet that the examiner will listen to Butterflies and Hurricanes. They take marking seriously. My English teacher was telling me how they had to get a ton of books to mark people's World Lit assignments, and they had to chase down the right editions and everything.

It's so cool that you're doing your EE on Muse. Good luck once again, and I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help.
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Old 08-09-2008, 06:13 PM   #57
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If this essay is done, would you mind sharing with us? Is it possible?
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Old 09-09-2008, 03:06 PM   #58
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Etc.

See this

It's Rach 2, Mvt. 3, not Rach 3, and no, it's not a direct quote but it's quite obvious where he got 90% of the music behind the cadenza section from
Did you put that together yourself? If so, I'm impressed with the effort you put in, haha

But once again, I'm going to have to say I can see how that could have perhaps inspired the movement of the solo in B&H, but I would still say that it would be far more likely and natural for Bellamy to have just come up with it himself! I'm sure many composers have done this (as have I) - when you come up with something, you can unwittingly include elements of pieces you have listened to. It's not as if I'm trying to defend him, I just think that it's far more likely that the solo in B&H came more out of a 'right, so, rising chromatic scale, bit of twinkling around, pause for dramatic effect, pose, thump, thump, epic arpeggios, vaguely romantic chord progression, yeah that'll do' thought process (perhaps, as I said, unconsciously influenced by 'Rach 2'), rather than a direct attempt to imitate the piece.

My two cents anyway.
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Someone claimed the solo is ripped off from the middle of Rachmaninov's Prelude in G minor. So I took a listen to that piece and I could only detect a couple of chords that sounded similar(the ones that come near the end of the solo). However, I believe the solo is totally original.
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Maybe they meant just when he was writing it? Cos Matt writes most songs on piano first apparently
What was amazing to me was to find a Sunburn from 2004 that he did that soaring guitar solo on the piano.
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