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Old 01-01-2017, 10:07 PM   #7711
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C'mon, Muse are bad but not enough to cause pain.
Not because of Muse, silly. (Also, they aren't bad.) My mom lost her job and my dad is in danger of losing his. They both had a huge argument last night and they were yelling within feet of my ears. Due to me having hypersensitive hearing, which means that loud or discordant noises are amplified for me, so my ears have been ringing since.

Oh yeah, and both threatened to kill themselves at separate times, which makes me wonder if I was the cause of any of this and if I should do the same.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:10 PM   #7712
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Yeah but like I said, most of what they did on T2L they had already done before. And simply bringing in some dub step elements and a choir isn't enough to be considered wildly experimental imo.
Never said it was wildly experimental, but the band was clearly experimenting with something even if they never truly bothered to put the effort into integration.

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Any album could be considered experimental if only considered within the context of those musicians.

However reinvention is probably more appropriate than experimental in this particular context.
On the other side very few albums in popular music could be considered experimental if you only considered it in the context of all music. While never as blatant as Muse taking preexisting and defined music styles and merging them into something else isn't far from what experimentation usually entails.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:12 PM   #7713
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I wouldn't mind seeing Uprising as a gig closer. (Well, as long as Matt plays guitar all the way through.)
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:19 PM   #7714
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I wouldn't mind seeing Uprising as a gig closer. (Well, as long as Matt plays guitar all the way through.)


I'd rather see Starlight close again.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:21 PM   #7715
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Never said it was wildly experimental, but the band was clearly experimenting with something even if they never truly bothered to put the effort into integration.
Yeah I know! But that was the statement that sparked this discussion.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:21 PM   #7716
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I'd rather see Starlight close again.
Aaaaand no. (Especially considering that it's clear Matt won't bring back the guitar on it any time soon.)
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:30 PM   #7717
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Aaaaand no. (Especially considering that it's clear Matt won't bring back the guitar on it any time soon.)
It had guitar for all of 2015 until the arena tour started tbf. With or without it though, it'd still be a more fitting closer than bloody Uprising

Starlight without guitar > Uprising with it.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:31 PM   #7718
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On the other side very few albums in popular music could be considered experimental if you only considered it in the context of all music. While never as blatant as Muse taking preexisting and defined music styles and merging them into something else isn't far from what experimentation usually entails.
That's correct.

Its not that it doesn't happen, just quite rare. As I said, reinvention/redefining are probably better terms and is fairly common to use these terms when describing certain pop-acts (Bowie, Madonna, Bjork etc), yet the exact thing they are doing gets described as 'experimental' when its other acts. Dunno if its just misplaced snobbery or what, but it is annoying.

Kraftwerk is probably the best example of experimental and popular music as one thing. Or there's I Feel Love.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:04 PM   #7719
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For some reason, "Dead Inside" really reminds me of Depeche Mode, though I can't think of which DM song it reminds me of.

Edit: Whoops, wrong thread!
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:05 AM   #7720
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Starlight without guitar > Uprising with it.
Now, now, don't overdo it.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:56 AM   #7721
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Now, now, don't overdo it.
I'm not tho

Uprising was really solid from '09 to '14 but it went to absolute guff at the start of '15 for some reason, even before he started dropping the guitar for it. Starlight's obvs a shadow of its former self as well nowadays but I still enjoyed it at least twice on the last tour. Haven't remotely enjoyed Uprising since the Etihad gig.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:58 AM   #7722
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I thought Uprising looked dull ever since the start of T2L tour. Those performances were a borefest, while Starlight felt quite emotional due to its place in the setlist.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:21 AM   #7723
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Guitarless Uprising is shit but I've seen it twice on T2L tour and thought it was a great encore opener (and the visuals were cool during both the Arena and the Stadium tour). It's one of these songs that both hardcore and casual fans seem to enjoy, and it gets the crowd singing.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:24 AM   #7724
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I liked Uprising more with no guitar and nipple rubs at the O2 then I did at Brighton, where I thought the band looked bored playing it and the audience wasn't really into it.
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Uprising has never been solid.
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