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Old 26-03-2018, 04:13 AM   #9121
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I rarely see a band enough times to make "rotating" setlists a concern of mine. And the one I have seen a ton in a short period of time does little rotating, but puts enough sincerity and spontaneity in the performance that I haven't gotten bored of it.
That's also sorely lacking with Muse, unfortunately, and it's gotten a lot worse over the years.
Red Rocks was a good gig, but the performances didn't hold a candle to the T2L tour, imo.

There's also the unfortunate fact that I've found Muse's singles rather offputting for the most part, since they're a band with enough diversity that they're not representative of their body of work, or even the album they're on. At least the singles the US gets, and they keep in their sets. The ones I do like, like DI, get removed during their own album cycle...

There's only so many times I can see Starlight, Uprising, Madness, SMBH, etc considering I never cared for them in the first place, and the band like Tjet said, is cutting down their set lists in addition to removing anything that could be considered old or a "deep cut" so you're kind of just left with the chaff. Especially in the US.

I guess my point isn't that they need to rotate songs during the same tour, but that if they're playing basically the same set album cycle after album cycle, there's no amount of window dressing that's going to class that up for me.
That said, they played a lot of new stuff on the Drones tour, and I wish I got to see that with a better stage set up, because the low energy 360 deal was a vibe killer.

And that playing these special "for the real fans" gigs, and then doing so few of them with tickets that are impossible to get ahold of, seems to just make me more angry with the whole thing.
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Old 26-03-2018, 06:05 PM   #9122
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A gig can be predictable and still amazing, and unpredictable but meh. Variety or rotation only starts to become a factor if you’re actively following a band to multiple dates imo and, even then, a lack of it should feel cancelled out if the performance is captivating enough. A lot of the Abso Tour is pretty much a testament to that (though Muse have never really been ones to massively rotate anyway).

I think what leads people to feel like that’s a big issue is a combo of:

- Lack of balance in individual sets and consistency over a whole tour
- Sometimes distracting productions that can stop you from getting drawn into the performance and disconnect the audience from the band
- The band’s tendencies towards more ‘scripted’ and by-the-numbers performances because of said heavy production
- Simple over-exposure, since just about every gig gets filmed or even live streamed nowadays
Nah man, im telling you not having a clue what the next song is going to be adds a lot of fun to the show, that's one of the reasons i saw RHCP 3 times and would even consider travelling to see them, something i wouldn't do with Muse right now... even though im one of those people who think they get far too much shit.
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Old 28-03-2018, 11:00 PM   #9123
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Nah man, im telling you not having a clue what the next song is going to be adds a lot of fun to the show, that's one of the reasons i saw RHCP 3 times and would even consider travelling to see them, something i wouldn't do with Muse right now... even though im one of those people who think they get far too much shit.
I think variety across a whole tour is a good thing, as long as you keep it consistent and don’t reserve it for certain places/randomly go mad then go back to playing a standard set the next day. It’s nice to see a band embrace their discography and it’s a bonus for any fans travelling to multiple gigs. I just think it’s below a fair few things in the ‘what makes a good gig’ checklist and don’t think it’s a pressing issue for Muse at allll. Like I said before, they’ve never really been a band to rotate much but they used to be considered one of, if not the best live band around for years.

Bump up the performances to a more consistent level, cut down on playback, keep the productions slightly less alienating/restrictive and strike the right balance between pop/rock and casual/hardcore songs and I don’t think many people would be moaning about variety tbh (well, we’ll always moan about something but, y’know, reasonably speaking).
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Old 29-03-2018, 10:50 AM   #9124
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I think variety across a whole tour is a good thing, as long as you keep it consistent and don’t reserve it for certain places/randomly go mad then go back to playing a standard set the next day. It’s nice to see a band embrace their discography and it’s a bonus for any fans travelling to multiple gigs. I just think it’s below a fair few things in the ‘what makes a good gig’ checklist and don’t think it’s a pressing issue for Muse at allll. Like I said before, they’ve never really been a band to rotate much but they used to be considered one of, if not the best live band around for years.

Bump up the performances to a more consistent level, cut down on playback, keep the productions slightly less alienating/restrictive and strike the right balance between pop/rock and casual/hardcore songs and I don’t think many people would be moaning about variety tbh (well, we’ll always moan about something but, y’know, reasonably speaking).
I second that. Does anyone think they'll be a tour as big as unsustainable again?
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Old 29-03-2018, 03:38 PM   #9125
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I don't think a band should ever tailor their setlists to fans who travel to see multiple shows. They're a vast minority of attendees, and really don't deserve anything special; having more money and free time doesn't make you a better fan than someone else.

I always thought it was pretty hilarious that most of the people bitching at how "entitled" fans are for wanting one damn rarity at their gig were typically the same fans that went to dozens of gigs a tour.
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Old 29-03-2018, 06:15 PM   #9126
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^^This.

However, I feel it is beneficial to all bands to keep the set constantly rotating. Sets/performances stagnate extremely quickly.
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Old 29-03-2018, 09:21 PM   #9127
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My thing with Muse’s rotation is that the arena sets for The Resistance and early Drones gigs just weren’t very good and then on The Resistance tour you’d get gigs with MK Ultra instead of Unintended and Cave for Feeling Good, those two changes dramatically change the vibe of the show. It’s about balance as well as designing a tour leg setlist to not be super predictable from the start

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Old 29-03-2018, 09:24 PM   #9128
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Didn't T2L rotate Feeling Good and Explorers with Sunburn, too?

I'd rather just have the same good setlist at every single gig than play the odds of getting the one rare or fan favorite song in a rotation like that.
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Old 20-04-2018, 09:14 PM   #9129
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Apparently Dom confirmed Showbiz for the Pa'l Norte gig tonight.
Let's see if they'll fulfill their promise, but of course we probably won't see any other surprises regarding the setlist.
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Old 20-04-2018, 09:42 PM   #9130
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Honestly never thought they’d bring Showbiz back this much, that’ll be it’s 6th play in 17 gigs (6 in 10 outside the US). Feels weird.
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Apparently Dom confirmed Showbiz for the Pa'l Norte gig tonight.
Let's see if they'll fulfill their promise, but of course we probably won't see any other surprises regarding the setlist.
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Honestly never thought they’d bring Showbiz back this much, that’ll be it’s 6th play in 17 gigs (6 in 10 outside the US). Feels weird.
I really hope it continues!
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Old 20-04-2018, 11:27 PM   #9132
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Is KROQ Weenie Roast being speculated? Supposedly that is being announced on Monday and takes place in May close to their Bottleneck show. It's only been 3 years since they played it last, though.

Showbiz seriously needs to stick around, that's great!
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Old 20-04-2018, 11:46 PM   #9133
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Is KROQ Weenie Roast being speculated? Supposedly that is being announced on Monday and takes place in May close to their Bottleneck show. It's only been 3 years since they played it last, though.
I totally forgot about that. Would be nice if they did!


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Old 21-04-2018, 06:42 AM   #9134
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setlist.fm said that there is 'the dark side' outro after stockholm... Is it true?

Edit : Forget it lol
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Old 21-04-2018, 06:49 AM   #9135
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setlist.fm said that there is 'the dark side' outro after stockholm... Is it true?
No. I doubt that Matt would say “that was from our upcoming song The dark side” and I doubt he would write it on the setlist, so how exactly would anyone know it was that song?
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