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Old 23-03-2011, 10:11 PM   #1
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For anyone who can't afford a Manson: the most similar one is Fender NOT Gibson!

Hello everyone!

Sadly I'm one. So I have been spending a lot of time searching for a guitar closest to Matt's Manson, in tones and sounds. And now also after long time listening and looking, I think I have the answer: the HSS Start (sometimes SSS Start) or HH tele.

Generally, and quite natually, we would think that a Gibson/Epiphone is the most similar guitar to Manson, since they both are famous for the fat overdriven sounding, and have the same HH position. And Matt even used a Gibson LP DC Lite as his main guitar during his early Showbiz Live. I also had this kind of opinion for quite a long time.

But recently I found I was wrong. It is NOT:

1. If you listen carefully, you will find that most of the songs' rhythm guitar lines (the guitar lines backing his vocal) produce a much Fender-like "twang" sound (Time is running out, Darkshine, etc). And this happens more in studio version, because Matt uses more gain on his Live (maybe he switchs neck to bridge). (Supermassive black hole, Knights of Cydonia, etc)

2. Look at the Manson guitars, all of the neck pickups are P-90s (Manson MBK-1) or Fernandes Sustainer. SO they are single coils. They are not humbucker (MBK-2 or MBK-3) (Look at the dots on the pickup). So they actually are HS guitars. (M1D1 Black even has two P-90s as the bridge pickup. I don't know why Matt is so in love with P-90 xD). While all Gibson have HH or P-90/P-90.

3. The overdrive. They produce kind of a BRIGHTER sound, even for their darkest metal song (Stockholm Syndrome, The small print), which could easily be disinguished from other metal (Listen to a metal song, then listen to Muse). It is like a bridge pickup overdriven Start or Tele. While Gibson are much fatter and deeper, and not the same kind. Further, I guess the Gibson LP DC Lite was also less fatter and deeper. And Matt did use a Tele during "Battle of Bands" before they were signed (www.youtube.com/watch?v=seSIGZLjXxM).


4. I find some musicians, who switched from Gibson to Fender, said that the Gibson sound are too fat that even affects the vocal performance during Live shows. So maybe Matt has the same kind of thoughts, so his Manson are more like Fender.

So in conclusion, in my opinion, a Fender/Squier HSS Start or HH Tele produces the most similar sounding and tone to Matt's Manson, but not Gibson. And hopefully, we could all get a real amazing Manson one day!

PS: I recently find the new Fender Blacktop Tele sounds so much like the Manson! Not to mention the shape and the silver finish! Strongly recommand to check that.

Thank you all for taking your time reading that!

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Old 23-03-2011, 10:16 PM   #2
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Just was playing that guitar, and i think a pickup change is in order. you know something's wrong when a guitar makes an OR120 sound as thin as green screen kid looks...
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Old 23-03-2011, 10:19 PM   #3
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all of the neck pickups are P-90s (Manson MBK-1) or Fernandes Sustainer. SO they are single coils. They are not humbucker (MBK-2 or MBK-3)
Pardon?

Nothing wrong with coil splitting the neck pickup for a single coil neck anyway eh?
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Old 23-03-2011, 10:22 PM   #4
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hmmm... I'd seriously question this, considering such issues as the output of pickups etc etc.
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Old 23-03-2011, 10:49 PM   #5
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So, what if I wanna Thom Yorke while I man my Manson?
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Old 23-03-2011, 10:59 PM   #6
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Hello everyone!

Sadly I'm one. So I have been spending a lot of time searching for a guitar closest to Matt's Manson, in tones and sounds. And now also after long time listening and looking, I think I have the answer: the HSS Start (sometimes SSS Start) or HH tele.
I really wouldn't say the strat is a good choice to be honest, but I can't argue with the HH tele.

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Generally, and quite natually, we would think that a Gibson/Epiphone is the most similar guitar to Manson, since they both are famous for the fat overdriven sounding, and have the same HH position. And Matt even used a Gibson LP DC Lite as his main guitar during his early Showbiz Live. I also had this kind of opinion for quite a long time.
Yes. Matt even said himself when he was designing his guitars that he wanted a guitar that felt/played like a Fender and sounded like a Gibson.

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But recently I found I was wrong. It is NOT:
Before you read any further, you're still entitled to your opinion, so don't take this the wrong way....

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1. If you listen carefully, you will find that most of the songs' rhythm guitar lines (the guitar lines backing his vocal) produce a much Fender-like "twang" sound (Time is running out, Darkshine, etc). And this happens more in studio version, because Matt uses more gain on his Live (maybe he switchs neck to bridge). (Supermassive black hole, Knights of Cydonia, etc)
I always thought Darkshines was recorded on his Fender aloha strat.

But besides that, I don't hear exactly what you mean with the fender like 'twang' on time is running out. That has a fairly heavy sound in my opinion.

Keep in mind that most tracks since black holes and revelations have been recorded with Mansons that are loaded with P90 single coil pickups. Supermassive black hole definitely sounds like a single coil.

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2. Look at the Manson guitars, all of the neck pickups are P-90s (Manson MBK-1) or Fernandes Sustainer. SO they are single coils. They are not humbucker (MBK-2 or MBK-3) (Look at the dots on the pickup). So they actually are HS guitars. (M1D1 Black even has two P-90s as the bridge pickup. I don't know why Matt is so in love with P-90 xD). While all Gibson have HH or P-90/P-90.
That's only the neck pickup though, not the bridge pickup...the M1D1 black has the pickups wired as a single coil or together as one huge humbucker, and I'm fairly certain he uses both of those settings. Sure, a fair few of his guitars have P90s now, and he uses them for recording as well, but live he uses the bridge humbucker in the red glitter, seattle, etc quite a lot.



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3. The overdrive. They produce kind of a BRIGHTER sound, even for their darkest metal song (Stockholm Syndrome, The small print), which could easily be disinguished from other metal (Listen to a metal song, then listen to Muse). It is like a bridge pickup overdriven Start or Tele. While Gibson are much fatter and deeper, and not the same kind. Further, I guess the Gibson LP DC Lite was also less fatter and deeper. And Matt did use a Tele during "Battle of Bands" before they were signed (www.youtube.com/watch?v=seSIGZLjXxM).
I wouldn't say they produce a brighter sound. Depends on which guitar though - some of them are actually fairly bright, like the M1D1 black with the bridge P90 only (not as a humbucker). His current live sound is actually quite heavy in the low mids, and he said he aims for that sort of sound if I remember correctly.


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4. I find some musicians, who switched from Gibson to Fender, said that the Gibson sound are too fat that even affects the vocal performance during Live shows. So maybe Matt has the same kind of thoughts, so his Manson are more like Fender.
I'm not sure what you mean by that exactly, but as I said earlier, Matt described them as a guitar that plays like a fender and sounds like a gibson.

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So in conclusion, in my opinion, a Fender/Squier HSS Start or HH Tele produces the most similar sounding and tone to Matt's Manson, but not Gibson. And hopefully, we could all get a real amazing Manson one day!
Yes. I agree that the HH tele would work well, especially the mahogany ones.

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PS: I recently find the new Fender Blacktop Tele sounds so much like the Manson! Not to mention the shape and the silver finish! Strongly recommand to check that.
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No problem.


Now if you want my opinion, it really depends on what you want exactly...if you want the sound, go for a gibson with humbuckers or P90s. If you want the looks (sort of) too, get a tele (preferably made of ash or mahogany) with some humbuckers.
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Yes. I agree that the HH tele would work well, especially the mahogany ones.
is this where I post a picture of my tele fmt?
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Old 23-03-2011, 11:13 PM   #8
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is this where I post a picture of my tele fmt?
yes, wouldn't mind seeing it again
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If I were on a budget and I wanted a Matt-sounding guitar, personally I'd go for a Les Paul BFG. Bridge humbucker, neck P90, killswitch, and a very flambuoyant finish

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that finish looks like alligator skin or something that would be on cowboy boots
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If you were on a budget? A Gibson Les Paul is certainly not what I would describe as on a budget
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The one GSK has sounds identical to matt's.
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