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Old 24-02-2018, 09:10 AM   #2131
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My problem with mainstream news is that it winds people up about the wrong things. Like the way Jeremy Corbyn has been treated, and they rarely give a platform to those who need it most. They probably would've moved on from the Parkland shooting by now or focused on the shooter if it wasn't for the students.
This was my point earlier but worded much better so thank you.
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Old 24-02-2018, 09:49 AM   #2132
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I just read your post, and was thinking you worded it much better, haha. I agree with what you said at the end too. Matt's skepticism makes sense, but the solution isn't to completely shut yourself off from what's happening.

I also agree with That Little Animal about him still thinking like a teenager and only having a basic understanding of issues. I guess it doesn't bother me too much because I've come to realise most musicians and famous people are like that. I just don't take any of what they say too seriously unless it's clear they've done their research.
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Old 24-02-2018, 03:03 PM   #2133
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His conspiracy ramblings were over a decade ago and even during The Resistance era he was moving away from it. Probably when he realized how it was making him look.
Just going for the obvious, but you don't think The Handler was conspiracy ramblings?
Look at all the disturbed people it pulled out of the woodwork to talk about how the government implanted things in their teeth.
Mercy with all that "men in cloaks" stuff?
T2L maybe had less of it, but TR was full of it, and Drones was pretty much based on a very immaturely thought out government brainwashing conspiracy.

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CNN may not be Fox News, but ever since the election they've been giving these Trump people a platform, and have always tried to make out that both sides are equal. I think Matt was referring to the pundits you see on CNN who are trying to push either the Trump or overall Republican agenda. Even the Democrats on CNN were trying to give Trump the benefit of the doubt for a while. Still don't forgive Van Jones for that ridiculous "Today he was Presidential" comment.
This is what news SHOULD do, though. They should give both sides a voice, while avoiding the lunatic fringe. They should question both, and made them show they can defend their views and keep them honest.
CNN fucked up when they gave Trump an overwhelming amount of airtime during the election early on when they treated him as a sideshow. The lack of balance and perspective was the problem, not giving both sides equal treatment.

If Trump does something good (which unfortunately so far has just been an inconsequential speech or two) and they don't give him credit for it, it's just going to win him more support and turn people off on the "biased fake news."
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Old 24-02-2018, 03:33 PM   #2134
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There’s a difference between being objective and showing both sides as equal. If one side does something that is much worse, then it’s not the job of the media to make it “neutral” so both sides are presented as equally good or bad. It’s their job to try and show the truth, even if that makes one side out to be worse. I think that’s what funkadelic is getting at (correct me if I’m wrong though). I just woke up from a nap so I might be getting this all wrong.
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Old 24-02-2018, 04:44 PM   #2135
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Maybe, but I don't think CNN has been giving Trump a platform, per se, any longer.
They allow conservative pundits to come on and try and defend their views, and I think that's the way it needs to be for many topics, even if I don't like what they have to say.

The issue in the US is we don't have conservative vs liberal talks on policy anymore, we just have shouting matches, because the issues the right has heavily adopted are ones that leave no room for compromise: no gun laws, no abortion, no gays, no brown people, no non-Christians. And they're blatant civil rights issues. Stuff this country should have moved past a hell of a long time ago.

Allowing religion to be used in government policy (the head of the EPA's argument for eliminating environmental protections is literally that God put the resources there for us to use, and we're spitting in his face if we don't take advantage of his bounty...) has stripped away any possible discourse. And is just a smoke screen for immoral individuals to make billions of dollars.

They always refer to the founding fathers as having been Christian, and meaning for this to be a Christian nation... and ignore speeches from people like Thomas Jefferson who said that if the government mandated religious worship, or enforced religious laws, it took the burden of faith and following religious tenants away from the individual, and destroyed the entire idea of the religion, which is personal responsibility to do the "right" thing.

I sympathize with media outlets having to try and get to the meat of these issues in that kind of culture, because there's just no way of getting to the truth of things without looking like you're attacking people's beliefs; because a certain political party has spent decades setting it up that way.

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Old 25-02-2018, 10:09 AM   #2136
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There’s a difference between being objective and showing both sides as equal. If one side does something that is much worse, then it’s not the job of the media to make it “neutral” so both sides are presented as equally good or bad. It’s their job to try and show the truth, even if that makes one side out to be worse. I think that’s what funkadelic is getting at (correct me if I’m wrong though). I just woke up from a nap so I might be getting this all wrong.
That's exactly what I meant. Thank you.

SS - I get what you mean, but I don't think CNN goes about it in a responsible way. They'll bring Republicans into important discussions knowing that they're not going to add anything other than lies, and a lot of the time they don't fact-check them. This ends up completely derailing the topic to the point where someone could easily come away from it misinformed. There are some things they just shouldn't even entertain, like the suggestion that teachers start bringing guns into the classroom.

On the one hand it's true that the Republicans have gotten more conservative, but I think the media has helped to normalise those more extreme views.

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Old 25-02-2018, 10:50 AM   #2137
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Just going for the obvious, but you don't think The Handler was conspiracy ramblings?
Look at all the disturbed people it pulled out of the woodwork to talk about how the government implanted things in their teeth.
Mercy with all that "men in cloaks" stuff?
T2L maybe had less of it, but TR was full of it, and Drones was pretty much based on a very immaturely thought out government brainwashing conspiracy.
To some extent, but overall no. Drones tells of a fictional radicalized drone operator as an allegory to relationship troubles, and Matt shared and discussed the real topic of drone warfare to complement the album.

That is a long distance away from advertising an Alex Jones documentary on your t-shirt and naming a song after a book about the Illuminati.
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Old 26-02-2018, 12:17 PM   #2138
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There are some things they just shouldn't even entertain, like the suggestion that teachers start bringing guns into the classroom.
I don't want you to think I personally disagree with something like this, but it does illustrate my point.
There are some things, no matter how ludicrous, that do need to be discussed from both viewpoints.
We need to figure out our gun situation, but we also need to address it by way of interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, because like it or not, it exists.
To shut down the conservative viewpoint would only cause the pro-gun people to accuse us of fascism and unconstitutionality.
Continuing to shut out the NRA would be a very good start. Happy to see they're already getting hit in the pocketbook.

The only stances I believe aren't deserving of air time are the ones that deal with taking away people's civil liberties based on things like sex, gender, skin color, etc.
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Old 26-02-2018, 08:45 PM   #2139
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Apparently Matt told French radio they're working on a song with Timbaland.

Something like Undisclosed Desires with extra guitars?
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Apparently Matt told French radio they're working on a song with Timbaland.
I think I made that suggestion like 10 years ago in some thread about who Muse should produce with next.

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I feel like that's about the last time Timbaland was relevant.

And I think Matt made it abundantly clear that he's ok getting away from guitars. And real drums.
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Old 27-02-2018, 07:42 AM   #2143
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I feel like that's about the last time Timbaland was relevant.

And I think Matt made it abundantly clear that he's ok getting away from guitars. And real drums.
I'm not a huge fan of Timbaland, but he's been producing some of the biggest names for years. He's definitely still relevant.

But yeah, this interview has just about dashed my hopes for the album. Oh well.
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I'm not a huge fan of Timbaland, but he's been producing some of the biggest names for years. He's definitely still relevant.

But yeah, this interview has just about dashed my hopes for the album. Oh well.
I guess I just legitimately haven't heard of him being around recently, whereas years back he was damn never everywhere.

I suppose he did just produce the new Timberlake album, not that that's getting glowing reviews.
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‘Timbaland’?

I haven’t heard that name since 2005...

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