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Old 05-03-2018, 12:12 PM   #2176
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Just so we're clear, the government funded pedophile sex dungeon/pizza parlor is something a significant amount of people believed, and was talked about widely on Infowars and even televised on Fox News.
It led to a guy firing a gun in the place trying to be a "hero" and NASA having to release an official statement that there's no sex camps on Mars, and yet people still hold rallies about it.

It's important to understand there's not really any bottom to the crazy stuff masses of people will believe.
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Old 05-03-2018, 10:15 PM   #2177
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Old 06-03-2018, 07:22 AM   #2179
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Just so we're clear, the government funded pedophile sex dungeon/pizza parlor is something a significant amount of people believed, and was talked about widely on Infowars and even televised on Fox News.
It led to a guy firing a gun in the place trying to be a "hero" and NASA having to release an official statement that there's no sex camps on Mars, and yet people still hold rallies about it.

It's important to understand there's not really any bottom to the crazy stuff masses of people will believe.
I didn't know that. That's totally messed up. Still, it proves that no completely sane person would believe things like that. I mean, sex camps on Mars? That's just nuts.
But, you can actually force a piece of fake news down your audience's throats and make them accept that if you do it "the right way", indeed.
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Old 06-03-2018, 11:13 AM   #2180
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While I'm not sure about the numbers on the Mars one, several polls at the time registered 49% of registered Republicans believed that Hillary Clinton, George Soros and other high ranking Democrats were involved in a satanic child molestation cult based out of a DC pizza restaurant.

It's comforting to say no sane individual would believe such things... but is it more comforting to say around a quarter of a country's population is mentally unstable?

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Old 06-03-2018, 07:30 PM   #2181
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That Trump Tweet of Matt's actually surprised me, tbh, because Matt's prior communications were just along the lines of "it'll be fine, Congress won't let anything terrible happen" which shows his incredibly naïve understanding of American politics and the damaging forces that led to the election of Trump in the first place.

And also Matt's clear nationalist stances, which he was talking about in interviews as recently as last year. (And I suppose it's hard for me to think of nationalists as anything other than far right, right now.)
Brexit, for example, became heavily anti-immigrant in nature for a lot of the population, the same as the nationalist movement in the US has been heavily protectionist (and bigoted.)
So, seeing Matt call Trump a Nazi made me wonder if he was really not self aware (or educated) enough to see that one couldn't be pro-Brexit (for example) with caveats like "well, except for THAT" part...
Sometimes you have to say that things aren't worth the cost, no matter how much you agree with one of the parts of the whole, or admit that you're supporting something ugly out of selfishness.
And this is what completely went wrong with the US; the checks and balances failed and people embraced some really evil beliefs.

(The "king" line in DD is a bit scary now that Trump has suggested it would be cool for the US to move to a "ruler for life" system...)

But yeah, mostly I'm just a bit in awe of how un self-aware telling people not to buy into "thought contagion" is coming from someone who's dealt in conspiracy and anti-government themes for a very long time.
There's probably better examples but the big nationalist pop/rock star in a UK perspective that I can think of Morrissey, who has backed Brexit with big enthusiasm, praised Farage, slagged off multiculturalism, and was unhappy UKIP failed to elect a very anti-Islam candidate as leader. Unless I missed something, has Matt - someone who backed Scottish independence, for instance - done anything on that scale?

Maybe I'm aware of the whole placing of people being away from the similarities between the two movements because I know people who voted for Brexit but thought Trump's election was a shit idea, or people who think there's more degrees of separation between the two events. I would also say that there's a number of people out there that didn't vote for Brexit because of immigration, but given that's the topic that did as much to lead to it, they are effectively wedded together as themes, and its hard not to let that influence it.
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Meh, I always thought that all the conspiracy and dystopian stuff were just part of an act to build a certain image of himself and thus appear "cool" to the musical world. Many love to buy into the "eccentric rockstar" cliché, so that wouldn't surprise me.
On the other hand, he also seemed genuinely fascinated with those sort of things, not to the point of believing them, but rather using them in a heavily ironic fashion in his lyrics to "mock" them and point them out as paranoid and manic constructs. Maybe it's just me, but that's part of the appeal that BHAR had when I listened to it for the first time, coupled with the great music, of course.
I think once the conspiracy stuff could have been interesting, and I do recall Matt once saying he brushed up on them so he'd have more interesting shit to say in interviews.

But of course, I would say a lot of that came before we knew more about both the people who spread these theories, and the people who consume them to the point of believing in them. Which has definitely ruined it.
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Old 07-03-2018, 07:34 AM   #2182
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Nah, Matt just advocated for national indipendencies without actually being xenophobic or racist. I don't see him being like that (you never really know, though...).
On the other hand, I think it's quite interesting: it may work as a reminder that advocating for "some" sociopolitical ideas and thesis doesn't really imply embracing "some" others, but even for me it's rather difficult to reconcile with that, because some associations of ideas seem "commonly proved" so much by now. It's very easy and (maybe too much) convenient to come to the equation: nationalist = national indipendency, xenophobia, racism, restricted civil or free expression rights, etc.
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Old 07-03-2018, 02:01 PM   #2183
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Matt’s stated positions on Brexit and Scottish Independence were entirely inkeeping with comments he'd made about the appeal of direct democracy, decentralisation of power etc. - there are many people with similar concerns who don’t have racist sympathies. It would’ve been much more surprising to me if he’d expressed support the other way.

Saying that, if I started making "final solution" references in my latest song, I'd expect to be grilled in interviews and have a more serious response prepared
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:24 PM   #2184
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Couple new Instagram posts. Matt's back at it with the acoustic says an acoustic track for real this time and he's still trying haha.
Also flipping through a book of VHS cover art so the album will probably have the same theme throughout aesthetically.
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Old 08-03-2018, 04:25 AM   #2185
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Couple new Instagram posts. Matt's back at it with the acoustic says an acoustic track for real this time and he's still trying haha.
Also flipping through a book of VHS cover art so the album will probably have the same theme throughout aesthetically.
I'm honestly fine with them keeping this aesthetic. I quite like all the neon lights and brightness after how dull Drones was.
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I'm honestly fine with them keeping this aesthetic. I quite like all the neon lights and brightness after how dull Drones was.
I’d agree if it was a style that fit the music and didn’t feel like they were just using some free online template.
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Unrelated, but i noticed after they played Agitated on the last stream, I realized he's been singing the lyrics from the Newton Abbot demo for the second verse for a few years now. Kinda neat.
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He’s pretty much just singing gibberish either way tbh, like w/ Yes Please.
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Matt’s stated positions on Brexit and Scottish Independence were entirely inkeeping with comments he'd made about the appeal of direct democracy, decentralisation of power etc. - there are many people with similar concerns who don’t have racist sympathies. It would’ve been much more surprising to me if he’d expressed support the other way.

Saying that, if I started making "final solution" references in my latest song, I'd expect to be grilled in interviews and have a more serious response prepared
All of this. So much.
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He’s pretty much just singing gibberish either way tbh, like w/ Yes Please.
If you look up those lyrics, you can hear it! and I'll agree with Yes Please. Though the last play of it was probably the best sounding, even if it was only like half of it.
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