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Old 24-03-2018, 06:25 PM   #9106
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Instead of fitting request gigs into every corner of the world they could also just play some of these songs in their normal shows.
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Old 24-03-2018, 07:41 PM   #9107
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Instead of fitting request gigs into every corner of the world they could also just play some of these songs in their normal shows.
If life were a sitcom, I feel like this is where the laugh track would come in. Except the live studio audience is just Matt.
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Old 24-03-2018, 07:46 PM   #9108
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I say both because the US is huge and one isn't enough, and LA is the next logical place because its home.
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Old 24-03-2018, 08:04 PM   #9109
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One's not enough anywhere (although I do find myself with the lols when Jobby talks about driving to Germany for a chance at last minute tickets and I realized they're likely as close to Germany as I am to Chicago, which is only two states away.)

It's just bonkers that they're doing a ton of fan favorite songs for a tiny handful of fans and using it as an excuse to not play ONE of those songs at their actual gigs that more fans have a prayer of going to.
The thought process behind this is more than a bit crazy.
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Old 24-03-2018, 09:15 PM   #9110
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I say both because the US is huge and one isn't enough, and LA is the next logical place because its home.
Tbf they’ve only ever tended to skim the surface when it comes to touring the US anyway so I’m not sure that’s something they’d take into account, and like Serpent says, the difference between one and two gigs when they’re like 1k capacity is pretty miniscule for just about any country’s fanbase.

Not impossible though, I remember they really enjoyed the Mayan and Webster Hall shows so that could encourage them to do 2, I’d just be surprised.

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One's not enough anywhere (although I do find myself with the lols when Jobby talks about driving to Germany for a chance at last minute tickets and I realized they're likely as close to Germany as I am to Chicago, which is only two states away.)
Yeah, it sounds worse than it is haven’t checked the prices but I’m sure I could find something reeeasonably cheap, doubt I’d do it without finding out if other people have had success w/ it first though

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It's just bonkers that they're doing a ton of fan favorite songs for a tiny handful of fans and using it as an excuse to not play ONE of those songs at their actual gigs that more fans have a prayer of going to.
The thought process behind this is more than a bit crazy.
T’is a bit confusing to drive that separation between casual fans and hardcore fans even wider when you want as active an audience as possible like Muse. Makes you worry somewhat for their tours going forward - like, at what point do only a small minority of hardcore fans bother with big gigs at all if they’re told the songs they want are pretty much exclusive to these club/theatre shows? I know some peeps took that step a while ago and the crowd atmosphere’s already taken a hit from it over the years.

Wonder if it’s the first step towards doing that more regular big gig/little gig format on main tours. It’ll probs only be big city stops and way more diluted (maybe picking ~4 of a top 5) but I guess it’d at least bring some form of it to more people.
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Old 24-03-2018, 09:43 PM   #9111
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Transport definitely makes it more difficult outside Europe but anywhere, the demand is so great for these kinds of concerts. Even now for the Drones era there's been like... 3 in mainland Europe, 2 in the US which have also been the only ones outside Europe (maybe we'll throw Zepp in there), and the rest were in the UK (I think one in Ireland?).

One in Australia would be like having 2 in the US. The rest of the American continent nations don't have anything. If Chicago is bad if you're in Florida it's even worse if you're in Chile. There was going to be that one in South America in 2014 that was canceled because Matt's voice was fucked and there was never a makeup.

There's not nearly enough of these shows, but they go on a world tour for a reason. It gives the fans a chance to see the band within reasonable proximity in a capacity that can hopefully fit everyone. It's baffling their attitude is moving towards using the world tour as a promotional tour and using these small sporadic shows as the real fan pleasers. They were really onto something back in 2013. Even a bit in the recent concerts.
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Old 24-03-2018, 09:46 PM   #9112
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Yeah it seems like the obvious solution is to just throw a couple rarities into the regular rotation like we've been saying for years! I don't know why they can't see that.
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Old 24-03-2018, 09:50 PM   #9113
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And just mix it up and make it interesting too. In the US shows when they put Take A Bow in the middle of the "boring" section it completely changed the flow of the concert to something more energetic. They've become so afraid to loosen up at anything larger than a ~1k venue.

And the more they do what they do at the big concerts the more the audience they pick up will be the kind that don't move. They'll be making their own self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Old 25-03-2018, 01:00 AM   #9114
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I think I'm one of the 2 fans of RHCP on this forum but I think that most bands should structure their sets like them (there's really only one Pearl Jam so that's asking too much). Radiohead rotates as much as RHCP but sometimes their shows are full of hits and sometimes they don't have any so it's not balanced (still MILES better than Muse)

In spoiler there're last 2 setlists. They played 30 different songs in 2 shows, they "somehow" managed to play some new songs, hits, some 35 years old stuff, covers of Iggy Pop and Stevie Wonder and different fan favorites. Setlists are totally different but both have the same "weight" and you can never see those arguments like we have regularly here about which city/country got fleeced

Muse kinda did that during Drones festival tour in 2015 but they stopped completely during the regular tour and I really think that shouldn't be a thing for a high level musicians like them

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Can't Stop
Snow ((Hey Oh))
Otherside
Dark Necessities
Menina mulher da pele preta (Jorge Ben Jor cover) (Josh solo)
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Nevermind
Californication
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Blood Sugar Sex Magik
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The Adventures of Rain Dance Maggie
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Old 25-03-2018, 01:25 AM   #9115
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Yeah im the other fan

RHCP are leagues ahead of anyone else when it comes to setlists, I saw them in 2016 and they played 10 different songs for night #2. I don't follow Pearl Jam but i heard they do the same.

Went to 2 Muse shows knowing exactly what i was going to get and it took some of the fun tbh, even though i must say jumping around with drunk brits during Psycho was definitely the best moment i had at a gig. The charm of festivals.
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Old 25-03-2018, 01:42 AM   #9116
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Most any large rock band is better at putting together a set than Muse is. There's probably a shorter list of bands of the sort Muse haven't been compared to yet.
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Old 25-03-2018, 07:06 AM   #9117
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I really enjoyed my last gig, but I also got TaB and B&H, there was a stretch of Hysteria/BH/PiB/SS that was stellar, and it was at fucking Red Rocks.
And still, for a lot of the second half of the set, I was enjoying the scenery more than I was paying attention to the gig. I was a little worried that I'd overhyped the venue too much throughout my life, but it was amazing. And even then, we only went to the gig because we happened to be taking vacation there at that time, and only had to leave one day early to get there.

I certainly don't regret going (especially because it was part of a week long vacation that was also amazing and I didn't go just for a gig,) but I also got really lucky with the set... and it still wasn't THAT crazy.
And I can honestly say I don't feel like it would be worth going out of my way to see the band any longer, since they're certainly not going to come to my city.

And that just feels kind of sad, honestly. Hearing them say that gigs aren't for their actual fans who listen to their music and not just the radio, that just seems like, yeah, that's not something you really hear bands say a lot. Not a normal attitude.

And one or two gigs, a couple thousand fans in massive areas aren't going to make up for that. It's insane to think that that's enough for their fans, as if a fraction of them would ever have an opportunity to go to one of them.

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Old 25-03-2018, 11:18 PM   #9118
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A gig can be predictable and still amazing, and unpredictable but meh. Variety or rotation only starts to become a factor if you’re actively following a band to multiple dates imo and, even then, a lack of it should feel cancelled out if the performance is captivating enough. A lot of the Abso Tour is pretty much a testament to that (though Muse have never really been ones to massively rotate anyway).

I think what leads people to feel like that’s a big issue is a combo of:

- Lack of balance in individual sets and consistency over a whole tour
- Sometimes distracting productions that can stop you from getting drawn into the performance and disconnect the audience from the band
- The band’s tendencies towards more ‘scripted’ and by-the-numbers performances because of said heavy production
- Simple over-exposure, since just about every gig gets filmed or even live streamed nowadays
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Old 25-03-2018, 11:44 PM   #9119
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A lot of bands play almost the same sets everywhere with one or two variations. People bring up acts like Radiohead that do a ton of mixing up but in my own experiences at least they're a real exception.

If the show is predictable because it's what you know they played the night before that's kinda on you. I do think we put too much blame on Muse for it.

Now they really should stop rehearsing their jams because those will sound rehearsed even if it's your first time hearing it.
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Old 26-03-2018, 12:30 AM   #9120
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Yeah I accepted that Muse won’t rotate their set that much a few years ago, and they’re not alone in that. But the fact that they’re doing sets with less songs than they did back when hey had three albums is ridiculous. But now that Matt has admitted that his voice is the reason, maybe it’s time to...oh I dunno...do some cardio?
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