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Old 23-04-2018, 09:01 PM   #121
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I doubt Survival is gonna make a return unless fans request it heavily.
And that's a real pity. It was so much fun and bonkers when Matt went ballistic on the guitar.
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Old 23-04-2018, 09:18 PM   #122
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Just rotate KOC with Stockholm and Survival, and we're good. Because I doubt we're going to get an apt closer with this album.
People have been saying that for nigh 10 years tho and it ain’t happened. Other than Starlight’s brief stint and 1 or 2 uses of SS, the only time we’ve had a respite from Knights in the last 10 years is when there’s been a new song to take over (Survival + Reapers) but they never fully committed to either.
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Old 23-04-2018, 09:26 PM   #123
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Honestly the reason they didn't commit was because Knights is still the superior closer. It might be overdone at this point, but it still closes a show way more effectively than Reapers and Survival...based on what I've seen on youtube. Sorry, haven't seen a Muse show since 2009.
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Old 23-04-2018, 09:53 PM   #124
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Survival as a closer with Knights midset worked really well at Shepherd's Bush in 2013. But then one can imagine it being a track that really takes it out of you vocally if you're doing every night though, especially if its at the end.

Maybe that musical its appearing in might revive its popularity. I'd rather have it as a reminder of T2L than Madness, mind.

A new closer would be a good thing though.
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Old 23-04-2018, 10:18 PM   #125
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Honestly the reason they didn't commit was because Knights is still the superior closer. It might be overdone at this point, but it still closes a show way more effectively than Reapers and Survival...based on what I've seen on youtube. Sorry, haven't seen a Muse show since 2009.
I’d say Survival is easily > a tired Knights tbh. Reapers w/ an old Stockholm riffout would be immense as well imo.
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Old 23-04-2018, 10:52 PM   #126
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Not gonna lie I don't think you can top Knights as a closer. It may be pretty standard but it's still pretty solid
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Old 23-04-2018, 11:41 PM   #127
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Take A Bow remains their best closer. Even more so after a drop-d riff-fest.

Micro Cuts > SS > TaB at Wembley was perfection. Throw Dead Star in before MC too and you have peak encore.
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TaB is nuts, but it's hard to beat the audience engagement during Knights. It's like when Biffy ends with Mountains or Modest Mouse on Float On; not my favourite tracks in either bands discography, but the vibe is a great way to go out on.
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Take A Bow remains their best closer. Even more so after a drop-d riff-fest.

Micro Cuts > SS > TaB at Wembley was perfection. Throw Dead Star in before MC too and you have peak encore.
You’ve written this exact post so many times

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TaB is nuts, but it's hard to beat the audience engagement during Knights. It's like when Biffy ends with Mountains or Modest Mouse on Float On; not my favourite tracks in either bands discography, but the vibe is a great way to go out on.
Bliss or PIB would give better vibes.

Tbh it’s gotten to the point where even casuals know MWAH+Knights closes every gig and that ain’t a good vibe at all to me. There’s been a fair few times in recent years where I’ve heard stuff like “is that it?” “nah they’ve gotta do knights of cydonia with the harmonica” in crowds and only half-hearted cheers that sound like semi-groans at the first harmonica note, where there used to be tension and a big cheer for Knights’ opening trill. I legit feel like I rarely even hear people cheer at the start of Knights anymore ‘cos they’ve known what’s been coming for the last 2 minutes and that it means the end of the gig, it just feels kinda flat when it lands.
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PiB would be so much more of a "is this it?" vibe. I really liked how they ended the Paris show. Stockholm but then just adding on the extra songs afterwards. It's not the epic sing-a-long of Knights but it goes crazy.

I don't really mind predictable closers either even if I might prefer some variety. I know QOTSA will keep ending with the same song but that just kinda hypes it up to go all out for the finale. I would at least like more variety in the encore as a whole. I like the feeling of knowing you're on the last few minutes but I don't like knowing 5 songs before what's coming up. I remember in 2010 messaging my mother as Exo Pt. 1 started that I'd be out in 3 more songs.
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Old 24-04-2018, 03:17 AM   #131
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PiB would be so much more of a "is this it?" vibe.
Only ‘cos we’ve been conditioned to midset PIB for so long. Actual ‘00s classic, big bouncy riff, massive singalong chorus, feel-good vibes, big climactic solo/rockout finale - garuantee it works if they try it.
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It doesn't have a very finite conclusion and can't be extended as well as Bliss can with it's main riff, hence in The Resistance tour the big finale they added felt too long.
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Old 24-04-2018, 09:57 PM   #133
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Not a proper closer by any means, but another song I would see very well with a "live coda" is Panic Station: instead of ending with the bass line from the beginning, they might turn the melody of the bridge between the first chorus and the second block of verses into a heavy, smashing funk rock riff to end the song.
Just like they pick the Uprising solo up again to extend the song itself.
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Plug in Baby works more for the main set than an outright closer IMO. Although of the Origin singles, Bliss is a better closer.
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Old 25-04-2018, 09:14 AM   #135
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I think that KoC is the best closer. It is boring now but in a vacuum I think it's the best
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