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Old 22-07-2018, 11:14 AM   #16
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lol @ how that song is more muse than muse
Mike Portnoy, who was still with DT at the time, mentioned he was really into Absolution at that time. It's HEAVILY influenced by Stockholm Syndrome, like borderline plagiarism .
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Old 22-07-2018, 12:32 PM   #17
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Every Muse fan should listen to the album it’s on, Octavarium. Not only is it (imo) DT’s best album, it is so Musey. Never Enough and These Walls have the riffs, crazy synths and arpeggios and big choruses, Root Of All Evil and Panic Attack are dark, heavy, riffy Muse, Sacrified Sons is a big political epic with 2nd Law-esque samples, Answer Lies Within is a big cheesy piano ballad, and Octavarium is Exogenesis meets CE meets Globalist sorta thing.

It’s just a really Musey album not just in sound, but feel. Reminds me of New Born, Dead Star, Stockholm Syndrome, Hysteria, B&H, Take A Bow, Assassin, City Of Delusion, MK Ultra, Exogenesis, Unsustainable/Isolated System, Reapers, Handler, Globalist, etc
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Old 22-07-2018, 03:46 PM   #18
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Every Muse fan should listen to the album itís on, Octavarium. Not only is it (imo) DTís best album, it is so Musey. Never Enough and These Walls have the riffs, crazy synths and arpeggios and big choruses, Root Of All Evil and Panic Attack are dark, heavy, riffy Muse, Sacrified Sons is a big political epic with 2nd Law-esque samples, Answer Lies Within is a big cheesy piano ballad, and Octavarium is Exogenesis meets CE meets Globalist sorta thing.

Itís just a really Musey album not just in sound, but feel. Reminds me of New Born, Dead Star, Stockholm Syndrome, Hysteria, B&H, Take A Bow, Assassin, City Of Delusion, MK Ultra, Exogenesis, Unsustainable/Isolated System, Reapers, Handler, Globalist, etc
I love DT, but I don't think they manage to get the spirit of Muse's work right, just the aesthetics. At the end of the day these are all still very clearly DT songs, albeit some very great ones in there.
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Old 22-07-2018, 04:34 PM   #19
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I think thatís missing the point a little. DT arenít obvs trying to ape or rip Muse off, itís just a clear and acknowledged influence. I doubt they would have set out with the intent of embodying Museís sound. But the influences they did take I do feel are reflected best in the Muse songs I listed.
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Old 22-07-2018, 06:00 PM   #20
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I think thatís missing the point a little. DT arenít obvs trying to ape or rip Muse off, itís just a clear and acknowledged influence. I doubt they would have set out with the intent of embodying Museís sound. But the influences they did take I do feel are reflected best in the Muse songs I listed.

Oh, I misinterpreted what you were getting at. Yeah, there's a definite Muse influence, and on Panic Attack and Never Enough it's very fitting. Although personally I'd liken Octavarium itself more to a combo of Pink Floyd, Genesis, Queen, the usual 70s prog related suspects.

It's a great album at any rate. Though I prefer Awake.
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Mike Portnoy, who was still with DT at the time, mentioned he was really into Absolution at that time. It's HEAVILY influenced by Stockholm Syndrome, like borderline plagiarism .
WITHOUT a doubt hahaha. I love it!
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Old 22-07-2018, 06:14 PM   #22
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Every Muse fan should listen to the album it’s on, Octavarium. Not only is it (imo) DT’s best album, it is so Musey. Never Enough and These Walls have the riffs, crazy synths and arpeggios and big choruses, Root Of All Evil and Panic Attack are dark, heavy, riffy Muse, Sacrified Sons is a big political epic with 2nd Law-esque samples, Answer Lies Within is a big cheesy piano ballad, and Octavarium is Exogenesis meets CE meets Globalist sorta thing.

It’s just a really Musey album not just in sound, but feel. Reminds me of New Born, Dead Star, Stockholm Syndrome, Hysteria, B&H, Take A Bow, Assassin, City Of Delusion, MK Ultra, Exogenesis, Unsustainable/Isolated System, Reapers, Handler, Globalist, etc
it is great I always tell people who bitch about Muse not being Muse anymore to go on to them and Devin Townsend and bask in the glory of the big rock.
There are OTHER BANDS?

I mean, I love accessible Muse and I love them for what they are today. Last year I ~*~finally realised*~*~ I liked Madness But every new song I do still wonder why he always go for the predictable chords. Like, just one *woah* chord is all I need hahaha. They used to be The Band for that. That's all I ask

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Old 22-07-2018, 09:05 PM   #23
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Old 23-07-2018, 08:40 AM   #24
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lol @ how that song is more muse than muse
I have heaps of ďbands doing Muse better than MuseĒ songs. Hereís a Muse song about identity crisis:

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ahhh love that band too I saw them in a room in Southampton a few years back, and there were like 20 people there. Incredible
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AHAHA we should make a playlist of bands that are muserer than muse
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Old 23-07-2018, 11:20 PM   #28
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Every Muse fan should listen to the album it’s on, Octavarium. Not only is it (imo) DT’s best album, it is so Musey. Never Enough and These Walls have the riffs, crazy synths and arpeggios and big choruses, Root Of All Evil and Panic Attack are dark, heavy, riffy Muse, Sacrified Sons is a big political epic with 2nd Law-esque samples, Answer Lies Within is a big cheesy piano ballad, and Octavarium is Exogenesis meets CE meets Globalist sorta thing.

It’s just a really Musey album not just in sound, but feel. Reminds me of New Born, Dead Star, Stockholm Syndrome, Hysteria, B&H, Take A Bow, Assassin, City Of Delusion, MK Ultra, Exogenesis, Unsustainable/Isolated System, Reapers, Handler, Globalist, etc
Weird seeing this as I was rediscovering this album today. Funny enough, while Octavarium is held in high regard among muse fans (myself included), I remember a lot of the hardcore DT fanbase (especially musicians) sorta trashing it when it was released. Bar some of the monster tracks like the title one, I remember all the complaining about the riffy/hooky/power chord nature of a good chunk of it.

I still love those songs, even though they start to feel a little dated now (a lot of heavy stuff from that period seems to be meeting the same fate). Some Muse fans might also enjoy the follow up one, which was still quite riffy, but dark in a different way than Octavarium was. Then Portnoy jumped out of the boat and I lost interest. Jeez, that was kinda long ago.

Anyhow, the DNA of that record really comes from muse. As a dumb teen I actually found it before any muse album, and only much later I would find that there was this deliberate inspiration. Finally made it click for me as to why I was so inclined to Octavarium, while only being mild towards a lot of what was regarded as classical DT.

Oh as for the new Muse single... Refusing to get hyped for this album cycle. This sounds promising, so I'm fully expecting to be underwhelmed.

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True but, yeah, basically it defo wouldnít be my first thought. If anything, it wouldnít surprise me if Matt thinks Ďclassic Museí is something like Mercy tbh.
Just about what I was thinking. Judging from their setlists, "classic Muse" would appear to include Starlight, SMBH, Resistance, Madness etc.
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Just about what I was thinking. Judging from their setlists, "classic Muse" would appear to include Starlight, SMBH, Resistance, Madness etc.
If/when they ever do an official greatest hits album, those will all be on there and Citizen Erased probably won't. So yeah, those are classic Muse as far as history will be concerned.
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