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Old 13-09-2014, 09:15 AM   #241
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Honestly if they never put out this album in 2009 but just put out Exogenesis EP their reputation would be so much more solid now. Also never release that atrocity "Neturon Star Collision" or T2L. So the last 8 years since BH&R would have just been Exogenesis EP and people wondering when the next GREAT Muse album would come. I'd rather have quality then quantity, but Muse have tarnished their reputation(c. 2008) with what they put out later.
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Old 13-09-2014, 01:19 PM   #242
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Honestly if they never put out this album in 2009 but just put out Exogenesis EP their reputation would be so much more solid now. Also never release that atrocity "Neturon Star Collision" or T2L. So the last 8 years since BH&R would have just been Exogenesis EP and people wondering when the next GREAT Muse album would come. I'd rather have quality then quantity, but Muse have tarnished their reputation(c. 2008) with what they put out later.
they haven't tarnished anything, The Resistance is really what globally put them on the map, without The Resistance they'd be nowhere near as big in places like Australia and vitally America... sure The Resistance and The 2nd Law weren't as good as anything prior to them, but to mainstream, commercial audiences they were great, because they featured lots of poppy sounding songs, while also maintaining a bit of a signature muse sound underneath it all
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Old 13-09-2014, 05:15 PM   #243
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I don't love or hate The Resistance, but I still think its the weakest record.
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Old 13-09-2014, 07:46 PM   #244
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I don't love or hate The Resistance, but I still think its the weakest record.
This. And from the stuff I'd read I expected something rather more aggressive and cohesive than what we got.
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Old 15-09-2014, 05:58 PM   #245
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MK Ultra was good
Uprising was a good sing a long
The EXO genesis 3 part thing was overhyped...
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Old 13-10-2014, 11:54 PM   #246
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It's epic!

It's a very very GREAT album and I dunno how it receives negative reviews, maybe because some people don't like the idea of a concept album but for me, I'm in love with the idea and the book '1984' itself and I think Muse did a great job with taking such a great masterpiece of Orwell to the lyrical and musical world!
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Old 14-10-2014, 02:43 PM   #247
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It's a very very GREAT album and I dunno how it receives negative reviews, maybe because some people don't like the idea of a concept album but for me, I'm in love with the idea and the book '1984' itself and I think Muse did a great job with taking such a great masterpiece of Orwell to the lyrical and musical world!
I'm sure that if you actually read some of the criticism you'll find out how.
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Old 15-10-2014, 01:53 AM   #248
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I find this statement kind of true actually, the whole "Love it or hate it" deal. When TR first came out i Love love loved it, then i hate hate hated it, then i love loved it, then i hate hated it, then i loved it, then i hated it, now I appreciate it. I cant imagine a world without the Exogenesis, USoE,MK:U, US, or Undisclosed Desires. It's nothing in comparison to Absolution and OoS, but its everything in comparison to anything any other artist could pull off.

In addition it is my least favorite album from my favorite band.
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Old 15-10-2014, 06:24 AM   #249
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Gotta say to any hardcore muse fan that hates this album, how on gods green earth can you hate this album when it has the following masterpieces:

Exogenesis parts 1, 2 AND 3
Unnatural Selection
MK Ultra

I happen to love the rest of the album (the only song I can take or leave is Undisclosed Desires, Guiding light has an amazing vocal and guitar solo so anyone that hates that song can stuff it) but you can't deny that those songs I listed are great. I suppose an argument could be made that it doesn't compare to albums like absolution or Origin but its FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from there worst album, which in my mind is showbiz or the 2nd law.
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Old 15-10-2014, 07:10 AM   #250
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Let's them hate TR. Is not an album for everybody, but some of us will appreciate it very much.
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Old 15-10-2014, 08:06 AM   #251
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they haven't tarnished anything, The Resistance is really what globally put them on the map, without The Resistance they'd be nowhere near as big in places like Australia and vitally America... sure The Resistance and The 2nd Law weren't as good as anything prior to them, but to mainstream, commercial audiences they were great, because they featured lots of poppy sounding songs, while also maintaining a bit of a signature muse sound underneath it all
This isn't really true for the most part. They became known in Australia because of Black Holes & Revelations. The Resistance basically rode off that success and The 2nd Law saw large drops in gig attendance relative to TR tour. I'm not sure if it was the same internationally, but if it was, then this could be the reason behind muse stating they are going back to their roots for this next album.
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Old 15-10-2014, 04:08 PM   #252
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It's definitely true for America. They went from being largely unknown and playing theater gigs, to playing arenas, being played on mainstream radio stations even in backwaters like where I live, and winning American awards, most notably the Grammy. BH&R might have got the ball rolling, but they still hadn't penetrated many areas of the country until Uprising.
And unlike it seems most of the rest of the world, Madness was an unstoppable monster in the US, even breaking briefly into mainstream Top 40 radio for a while, and being in the Top 10 of alternative radio for a record setting amount of time.

And, to a few posts above: I think Exo is a masterpiece, but I feel that US and MK are bland, and lack the emotional impact that their previous work had.
So, it's still all very subjective, innit.
I don't hate TR, but I don't love it like I did their previous albums. People just don't talk about in-between feelings as much, that's all.
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Old 15-10-2014, 05:42 PM   #253
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FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from there worst album, which in my mind is showbiz or the 2nd law.
How can you hate Showbiz? Muscle Museum, Cave, Showbiz, Fillip, Uno,Escape, Sober? The whole album is great. Compare that to debut albums of any other band. Plus it's a debut album so of course they are not going to sound like the progressive Muse we know today. But how can you not appreciate it? It's not their best, but in my opinion it sits at #4. I think it's great. Dave Grohl and Anthony Kiedis loved it enough to bring them along on some tours I might add.
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Old 15-10-2014, 05:50 PM   #254
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Old 15-10-2014, 06:26 PM   #255
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I respect Showbiz (the album) for what it is, but it has aged terribly, and the quality difference between it and OoS is staggering.
Even a few of the songs (mainly Showbiz and Sunburn) vastly overshadow the rest of the album, further drawing attention to what it is - a bridge between two very different phases of a band's growth.

I enjoy a lot of the other songs on the album (Sober not being one of them) but it's definitely a very uneven collection of songs from a band that hasn't quite found their stride yet.
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