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Old Yesterday, 10:07 PM   #2056
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I don't really see the social troubles of marginalized groups on the news much.
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Old Yesterday, 10:11 PM   #2057
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Nah that's mostly a very specific type of news, fair enough. But I was reacting to the examples like the boss not giving a shit about you being gay (I mean...as long as you don't try anything on him)
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I don't know. Media tells me everyday that I should fear my neighbor and that we've never been more divided and honestly when I step outside my social media commentary bubble and interact with people I find there's a lot to love and connect over.

I would not outright dismiss The idea that the 24 7 news cycle hasn't impacted the way we see the world.
Iím the last one to claim that the American news media are a beacon of integrity, and I too grow tired of the same talking heads talking about the same damn thing every day. But my main criticism is not they are painting a bleaker version of reality. Quite the opposite actually. I wished they would start showing in-depth detailed on the ground reporting where real people, rather than talking heads, get to tell their story. Show us the animals that are going extinct as a result of an administration that removes protections and allows agricultural poisons that have been banned elsewhere and show us the scientists who study this. Show us the people who are dying because they canít afford to go to the doctor. Show us the moment when ICE barges through the door and arrests parents in front of their children. Show us how the rich are spending their day after getting a tax break versus the poor who canít feed their kids after their cost of living has gone up and their benefits have gone down. Show us the racist bullshit people of color have to deal with outside the context of political rallies.

For a lot people the real world isnít better than what we hear on the news. Itís worse.

In addition to that. A lot of the horrors the news is warning us about arenít visible in our every day lives. Yet. Of course we donít see how corporations, billionaires, fascists and foreign powers are wiggling their way into our democratic process. But that doesnít mean we wonít all suffer the long-term consequences if they get to do it unchecked. And it definitely doesnít mean that the reason I donít see it happening in my every day life means that it isnít happening at all.

Final thing. I donít ever get from the news that I should fear my neighbor.
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Old Yesterday, 10:36 PM   #2059
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I bolded policy because I don't see the point of demonizing people for disagreements on how to come to the same goal on an issue. I certainly think there are moral issues that I can't get behind the opposing side on, but even then it is not worth my emotional health to spend my life hating and combating them on social media, or arranging my life and communications in a way that puts their stupid asses at the forefront of my mind.

Spread love and love spreads. More people have their minds changed by positive interactions with people they are supposed to hate than anything I suspect.
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Yes you do. The refugee is your neighbor. The gun owner is your neighbor. The Hilary supporter is your neighbor. The Republican is your neighbor. The trans kid using the bathroom at school is your neighbor. The Christian who believes in evolution is your neighbor The Muslim who prays 5 times a day is your neighbor. The Jew who did a stint in the IDF is your neighbor.

Are you saying you are not getting messages about how to feel about these people on an hourly basis from mass media?
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I bolded policy because I don't see the point of demonizing people for disagreements on how to come to the same goal on an issue. I certainly think there are moral issues that I can't get behind the opposing side on, but even then it is not worth my emotional health to spend my life hating and combating them on social media, or arranging my life and communications in a way that puts their stupid asses at the forefront of my mind.

Spread love and love spreads. More people have their minds changed by positive interactions with people they are supposed to hate than anything I suspect.
And who am I to say that you should! But the problem is that it's not just a political debate that's supposed to be fun for everyone. Some people are actually affected by which policy the people in charge decide to go with. And while arguing on the internet won't help anyone, I am most certainly gonna say "fuck off" to anyone who stands behind these ideas that infringe on human rights in all but technicalities.

I'm not gonna tell you to check your privilege, but you surely understand why not everyone will just be better off not caring about what certain politicians and voters stand for and what is said in the news.
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Maybe I do need to check my privilege.

I've been low income all my life and very few if any decisions made in Washington have affected my life to the point I felt powerless to combat it. I've been told I should feel that way though. I choose not to I guess. And I feel I'm happier for it.

I'm trying to keep this on topic so I keep trying to bring it back to the song but I can't even remember the argument I'm supposed to be making haha.

I don't want you to think I'm not willing to keep defending my point I'm just going to step away to gain some clarity.
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I don't think what Matt is saying is "Shut off the news and be happy",And come on, do you really think that Matt was making a holocaust joke?
"Sometimes your anxieties about the world or your anxieties about the world of the future can be lessened by turning the news off and turning your phone off for a few days. You then realize that everything is fine!" - Matt Bellamy, Rolling Stone, a couple days ago

So, that's pretty much EXACTLY what he's saying. Minus the "pretty much" part.

He makes a Holocaust lyric in a silly song, telling people how silly it is to get worked up about current events.
Maybe "joke" wasn't the right word, but what it really is (other than fucking stupid) defies being summed up in a short word or phrase (other than fucking stupid.)

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I also appreciate the irony of a lot of people disliking the song but recognising how it got stuck in their heads :P
Why is this ironic? I've had all sorts of songs that I find fucking terrible stuck in my head over my lifetime.
Being catchy doesn't make it good, or even enjoyable. Unless you think jingles for soda and kids' shoes are examples of good music.

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Because the alternative is to stop making a big deal out of these things, and we will quickly fall back into objectification, ableism and whatnot without questioning it.

And saying that it's a "difference of opinion on policy" is a nicer way of describing it than actually explaining what those policies are. Are those policies about infringing on the rights of marginalized groups? Are they about defunding planned parenthood? And are the opinions of the person voting actually WORSE than what can be described by the policies they stand behind? Should I just say "well agree to disagree, I won't let political policies stand in the way of our friendship" to someone who thinks that homosexual people should receive conversion therapy?
Honestly, just so much this.
The fringe side of one political group's "policies" are essentially human rights violations.
This isn't a debate about fiscal policy, it's about a group of people who aren't shy to advocate for throwing brown people out of the country, blocking people of certain religions from even visiting the country, allowing stores to refuse to serve you based on sexual orientation, refusing basic healthcare needs to women, escalating kids' schools to warzone levels, and on, and on and on.
It DESERVES outrage.
People saying you can't live with a constant sense of outrage... but there's a ton of people who can't live their lives if people aren't constantly outraged and pushing for basic civil rights.

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Yes you do. The refugee is your neighbor. The gun owner is your neighbor. The Hilary supporter is your neighbor. The Republican is your neighbor. The trans kid using the bathroom at school is your neighbor. The Christian who believes in evolution is your neighbor The Muslim who prays 5 times a day is your neighbor. The Jew who did a stint in the IDF is your neighbor.

Are you saying you are not getting messages about how to feel about these people on an hourly basis from mass media?
Almost ALL of this seems exclusive to Fox News, and places like it.
I've never even seen other mainstream media denigrate Christianity; the "attack on Christians" is more likely to be spread on Fox and for how often far right sources bring it up, it's startlingly lacking in other media, even "left leaning" stuff.

The only one that legitimately comes up in other major news sources is the gun ownership issues, and it's about damn time we have that conversation when our children are constantly being gunned down at school.
That's not fearmongering, that's the reality of HUNDREDS of people being shot and killed at school. Of kids going through "active shooter" drills at school. That's fucking insane.

And none of it, NOTHING will improve by closing our eyes to it.
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