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Old 14-10-2014, 04:48 PM   #106
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http://www.guitarsrebellion.com/crbst_558.html

This is a french website where you can buy human gear pedals. 359 euros seems to be a good deal for the animato.
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Old 14-10-2014, 07:25 PM   #107
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This is a french website where you can buy human gear pedals. 359 euros seems to be a good deal for the animato.
.....or build it for cost price.....
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Old 14-10-2014, 09:18 PM   #108
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Wanting an animato =/= wanting animato sound
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Interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong but, doesn't every germanium have slightly different values even if it's the same type?
Yep, that's where the trouble is.

I got my breadboard version working and it seems the attack isn't as strong as the original. Changing the transistor where the germanium pair should be did the most to the sound but I also changed a few other things to tinker around with it, mainly because I could. Still sounded more "muff" than distortion. I'll have to recheck every part's value.

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Yeah but most of us don't want to spend that much on it, considering it really doesn't do a very wide range of sounds. The original also loses its paint so easily too, it's ridiculous.

EDIT: We have someone over at talkbass who has made a PCB of it already so the layout works.
http://www.talkbass.com/threads/some...1107750/page-3

EDIT 2: I might have found where I stuffed up as far as that deep tone goes and it's all because of one very pesky capacitor that I couldn't get the value of.
http://imgur.com/a/zLnM9
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Old 15-10-2014, 04:41 AM   #110
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Old 15-10-2014, 10:02 AM   #111
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So freaking close. As in, you could probably trick people with the tiniest bit of EQ. Video to follow with a basic demonstration.

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Old 17-10-2014, 07:33 AM   #112
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Great work mate. I thought initially that the clone was the second one. I prefer the sound of the clone actually! Seems like it has a fuller sound with a bit less gain Probably get some value from tweaking the transistors in the first stage, selected for gain . I guess in the region of 70hfe?

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Old 17-10-2014, 12:02 PM   #113
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Thank you. What you said was basically spot on. The clone isn't as gainy and has a slightly deeper decay and less harsh. It still sounds damn awesome but I want to try and get it closer naturally. I think the muff stage needs some higher gain, because I might still have that suspicious cap wrong but I don't know.

At least it's pretty convincing for something that's basically a Big Muff.
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Old 17-10-2014, 03:09 PM   #114
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I would look to the input transistor first. Suspect higher gain transistors here will give the changes you're looking for.
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Maybe hook up the switch to change between the current components and the components that are more accurate?
I think I'd prefer that option more than the current option.
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I have a gut feeling the first transistors are the NTE102A/103A so there is more gain. It might explain the less harsh voicing and more gain. Its very difficult to find transistors here with that much gain, its only really possible by chance or over the top observation.

Will try to build a pedal version this week. My local (well, 30 mins away) electronics supplier has the same cases so I don't know if I want to do that for lels or try and fit it in an MXR style enclosure. Probably the latter for money.
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Old 18-10-2014, 08:15 PM   #117
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Any idea when you'll be putting up the PCB board?
I'd really like to start making one.

edit: Also, I saw on basschat that one guy has added in a tilt feature. Has he supplied the mods for that?
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I'll put up a PCB when I get around to making it. I'll likely make it to fit in a similar size to the Animato box, but obviously not as deep. Trying to design it so I can mount it to the enclosure and make it all rigid and include a battery (even though I despise them). I originally wanted to do it so the board is mounted with the pots that's not structurally sound. I'm just fussy like that.

I'm probably going to go about this in a few ways. I really do not want to add the switch considering it's effect is virtually unnoticeable. If I don't add the switch, the cost goes down and I can fit it nicely into a smaller enclosure which results in it being cheaper to make. I'll make the PCB allow room for the switch but I won't be building with them.

I'll also work on a version with a clean blend although I'm still working the best way to go about that one too. Could also make a deluxe version which you can choose to pair with a clean tone or with a russian style Big Muff. I don't know yet.

EDIT: Below is what my first build will likely look like. Obviously not with paper but just something designed similar to that. No switch, it's not worth the hassle.

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Old 20-10-2014, 01:18 AM   #119
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Dave, drew up a PCB and confirmed it this morning with a pen and paper. I allowed for the switch in it. I am still not going to build my prototype with one but it's there. I'd recommend an enclosure a similar size to the Animato for that PCB if you are going to add the switch.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7L...ew?usp=sharing

Once I have the pedals working to the way I want, I'll likely produce 10 of these for sale.

What's a reasonable price you guys would pay for one? I was looking to charge $180 AUD shipped so at current rates that's about ~$160-170USD/~100-110GBP/~€125-135 (without the meaningless switch )

EDIT: Seems like no one sells the knobs I'm using on the prototype any more. I can't remember where I got them from.
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Old 20-10-2014, 07:02 PM   #120
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I would look for 150 personally, assuming your build quality is top notch.
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