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Old 22-09-2018, 07:05 PM   #121
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Heck, let's get Endlessly back too.
Sometimes, itís just not worth the hope....
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MK Ultra would work but alas I hold no hope
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Old 22-09-2018, 07:13 PM   #123
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Would agree with that, donít think Iíve actually had many bad flowing gigs in person but fun definitely trumps it ultimately. Hopefully whatever setup theyíve got production-wise doesnít restrict the band or their connection to the audience too much, if not the set.
It's not bad but there were things that would probably get you some weird looks in the setlist thread. Stage production is big too.

Additional point. I wouldn't care if they stopped playing a single song from Origin of Symmetry if what remained they played with all their heart. There's a lot of songs that just always feel like they play on autopilot. Okay, maybe they gotta throw some of those hits out there. The Supermassives and Uprisings, cause they're a big band with a popular crowd.

But otherwise, I don't really want to see the band looking like they're playing songs because they have to. When they're having fun it shows, and the mood transfers to the audience.
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Old 22-09-2018, 08:44 PM   #124
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Y’know what, it’d be great to see them play stuff like MKU, IBTY, Endlessly etc. out of nowhere occasionally. Not even for the fact that they’re rare or fans like them or for variety’s sake or anything like that - just purely to see them really embrace their discography. It’s a shame that so many songs feel like they get instantly forgotten once their album’s era is over, unless they were kinda a hit or fans mass request them. I’m sure it’s not like the band don’t like them either, they’re just v focused on what they think people want. It’d be nice to see them bring shit back just ‘cos they wanna more often, kinda links in to what Kueller said above about seeing them genuinely enjoy a song instead of going through the motions sometimes.

Chris misses Escape? Fuck it, it’s not a song I’m actively fussed about but I’m not gonna complain. Matt loves Easily? Same again but go for it, it’ll be fun. It’s your discography, do what you want with it (but, y’know....use it).

Unless it’s something we don’t approve of like Guiding Light obvs ewwww am i right haha
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Old 22-09-2018, 09:42 PM   #125
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I dunno Jobby, 18/19 songs is pretty lame for a band who've been going as long as they have. Perhaps shocking was the wrong word but...it was 21/22 on the T2L tour right? I realise Matt's voice is the likely issue these days though so I do feel bad sometimes moaning about it. 15/16 songs for a headline gig was very poor for the gigs last year though. I won't be going to any if that's gonna be the case for the next one.

Fully agree on the autopilot comments, Uprising really suffers from that one imo. I miss the days when it was played early in the set, I just feel it loses much of its power in the encore or towards the end of the main set.

100% in for MK Ultra making a comeback too.
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Old 22-09-2018, 10:44 PM   #126
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Again, it’s not so much the specific number of songs as it is the length of the gig, to me at least.

2017’s shows tended to average between 1hr30 and 1hr40 I think and the Drones WT probs more consistently hit the 1hr40 and just over mark. To me, that’s not bad at all and what I’d expect of most acts I see tbh, some just go the extra mile. I think it seemed a lot worse than it was ‘cos the band didn’t use that time well. Drones’ songs were already generally pretty lengthy by Muse’s standards (Mercy being the only one just below 4 minutes long and The Globalist obvs being bloody 10 mins) so they already took up more time than another album might, then you add in the obvs excess of non-songs.

T2L’s shows were a bit of an exception tbf, that album’s songs were generally a bit shorter than Drones and I think most the arena shows consistently hit over 1hr50, some approaching the 2 hour mark, so they could fit more in (with only one jam as well). Matt’s voice has clearly taken a bit of a hit since then though, so a ~15 minute drop in length isn’t too dear imo.

So far, we’ve yet to see a song hit the 4 minute mark on ST, so it’s already looking quite short by their standards but we’ll have to see. If it is and the shows remain around 90-100 mins, which I’d expect, then they should hopefully be able to fit a bit more in if they use their time better as well. If you think - they only had around ~65 mins at the Reeperbahn(?) and they managed 16 songs in that tbf. Don’t get carried away but add an extra 30/35 mins on that? Should be ok.
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Old 23-09-2018, 12:09 AM   #127
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since reddit shadowbanned me i can only use this graveyard but iím glad some of you are still using it... but i would like we are the universe to reappear and be used as a vocal break and i hope unsustainable stays. i want isolated system dropped. i want mercy dropped. matt is going to hurt himself by keeping it in the set. itís beyond taxing to sing and if you have starlight, madness, dig down in the set already why does the set need mercy? those are all songs that basically evoke the same emotion and i think the set is flooded with flat emotion.

iíd rather hear unintended if i want love or an attempt to evoke it. iím definitely worried if this is the tourís formula. iím legitimately concerned bc that set is typically the US formula of dumping on hits and leaving out anything with soul.
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Old 23-09-2018, 08:21 PM   #128
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Lads - they had a 60/70 minute slot, it was a label showcase and the albumís still over a month away. Can we at least save the moans for when the actual gigs start?
Has the band really given us much reason to hold out hope at this point? Especially as a US fan. I think this setlist is very indicative of what's going to happen all tour. I'm actually shocked about Handler.
How many songs were played? 13? 14? Not counting filler. That's only a couple less songs than they were playing on the US arena tour on a 90 minute slot.

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Out of curiosity - what would make yíall happy regarding the upcoming tour? Iím talking the big one in spring, not lil gigs where theyíll play whatever.

Edit: like bare minimum, not in an ideal world
More than 15-16 songs when they're charging arena prices and have as many albums/hits as they do

Quit relying on the visuals (which often aren't as amazing as they make them up to be) to energize the show, put some energy into the performance, and stop looking like it's a bore to perform
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Old 23-09-2018, 09:36 PM   #129
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Has the band really given us much reason to hold out hope at this point? Especially as a US fan. I think this setlist is very indicative of what's going to happen all tour. I'm actually shocked about Handler.
How many songs were played? 13? 14? Not counting filler. That's only a couple less songs than they were playing on the US arena tour on a 90 minute slot.
Well, my point was more about how you can’t really get ornery over a set under those conditions, I’m not necessarily advising optimism

This does kinda pertain to my last post though tbf. They played 16 at the Reeperbahn show (14 if you wanna count Unsus and IS as filler, I’ve started to feel that’s kinda unfair though tbh) with a 60/65 minute slot. With a 90-100 minute slot? Who knows. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not naive enough to say there’ll be absolutely no filler taking up that extra 30/35 minutes. I can see Prelude staying, potentially JFK and obvs there’ll be a jam. But with ST seemingly having generally shorter songs than Drones and presumably less concept-based playback, there could be room for slightly more than last time. Shedding The Globalist and 2 plays of Drones alone would make room for all 4 ST songs we’ve heard so far.
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Well, my point was more about how you canít really get ornery over a set under those conditions, Iím not necessarily advising optimism

This does kinda pertain to my last post though tbf. They played 16 at the Reeperbahn show (14 if you wanna count Unsus and IS as filler, Iíve started to feel thatís kinda unfair though tbh) with a 60/65 minute slot. With a 90-100 minute slot? Who knows. Donít get me wrong, Iím not naive enough to say thereíll be absolutely no filler taking up that extra 30/35 minutes. I can see Prelude staying, potentially JFK and obvs thereíll be a jam. But with ST seemingly having generally shorter songs than Drones and presumably less concept-based playback, there could be room for slightly more than last time. Shedding The Globalist and 2 plays of Drones alone would make room for all 4 ST songs weíve heard so far.
Counting IS/Uns, they played 16 in a short slot.
Counting those same songs (when played) and NKOK (which, as we can at least agree, wasn't really a played song) they played 17 on their last tour, for the most part. I suppose you could argue for counting the Jam as a song?
They played the same amount when I saw them on the proper Drones tour (yes, yes, Globalist is long...), looking at the first time I saw them at home (2010) was 15 (16 if you count a piano interlude.)
Considering that's counting all the "filler" tracks except the Jam... that's really made me wonder what exactly is filling that extra time.
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Just to be precise with set length comparisons, the Reeperbahnfestival Set was 75 minutes
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the dark side sounded good but thereís a couple of things to work out. i feel pain for chris because i think he may have needed more time to rest but seeing as he is doing the tv gig early this upcoming week too i suppose there is no way out now...

i think the drumming could be a little lighter in the sense where some beats need space between them for that rolling interplay between the bass and synth lines in this song. the three parts should fit in between each other completely nested and synchronous. i think bass could benefit from more of a staccato execution as if it does not have that punch of the album it will disappear and it is a necessary component of disruption in this song. i hope the ďsave me from the dark sideĒ lower harmony comes into the live performance as i believe it was sung as just an octave below mattís vocal line rather than the painful, dissonant harmony of the album version. there is also a minor drum part in the second verse of the song that didnít make it live and i hope it gets worked in.

i know it was the first performance so i am not mad or annoyed. these are just some final wishes.
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Out of curiosity - what would make yíall happy regarding the upcoming tour? Iím talking the big one in spring, not lil gigs where theyíll play whatever.

Edit: like bare minimum, not in an ideal world
Minimum 18 songs per gig, shortening Isolated System even more(or dropping it), stop using Interlude before Starlight or any song for that matter and play more than one old song per gig. That means ones not in regular rotation so fuck off with PiB.

Seriously, having 2/17-18 be reserved for stuff like Showbiz/MM/Sunburn/CE/Bliss/HM/SD/AP/TSP/TOADA/Fury/TAB/MOTP/Exo/COD/Assassin/MKU/Unnatural Selection can't be too much to ask.

That's fucking 18 songs to choose 2 from and while some of them are deep cuts for sure, they're not The Gallery-tier obscure. Plus there's variety in them for Matt's voice. If he's not feeling it or wants to be bit more chill for a while, they can go with Hyper Music and TOADA and if he feels like going way back, just throw in Showbiz and The Small Print.
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It’s not easy tbf, at least with how we know Muse approach it. With every record they put out, the number of ‘essentials’ can only grow. If you estimate a number like 18, within that you’ll be looking at probably 7 or 8 new songs, every gig staples (Knights, Supermassive, TIRO, Uprising, Psycho, Madness, Starlight, possibly Mercy) and at least 1 instrumental (Unsus/IS). That’d leave you with about 2 slots left to potentially mix things up with and, for those, more common stuff like Hysteria, Stockholm, PIB, UD, Resistance or Drones leftovers like DI and TH are always gonna lead the pack over more obscure older stuff.

I think they do slightly better with that than they get credit for tbh (crucify me). If you think, last tour they did still manage to squeeze stuff like CE, AP, TAB, B&H, Map, Bliss, Sunburn, Blackout and Assassin in on occasion by sacrificing some traditional staples and new songs. Outside of the US only, I know, and that is a flaw but, in the grand scheme of things I don’t think that’s too bad.

So basically I guess what I’m saying is I’m sure stuff like that will be knocking about again but you’re probs never gonna dedicated slots rotating between them ‘cos there’s just not enough space in a 90-100 minute set. As it is, they just have to battle it out with previous staples that’ve had to be relegated a smidge to give them a chance.
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The 2nd Law tour had comparable percentages but the overall show was just more exciting even with the staples.
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