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Old 16-10-2017, 12:54 AM   #1246
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It was funny, but it was a complete throwaway track... and they've been hyping up this "new music every few months" thing for too long to disappoint people like that, I think.
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Old 16-10-2017, 12:55 AM   #1247
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WTF is wrong with Aftermath? It's a great song.

God, the Muse fanbase is so bad LMAO, they just pick and choose random songs to put on the hate bandwagon for no reason. Endlessly, Exo-Politics, Guiding Light, and now Aftermath, none of these songs sound bad yet this fucking cancerous picky fanbase dislikes them for no reason. What the hell is wrong with you people?
This is so funny to me because I'm probably one of the more positive Muse fans you'll meet. I tend to defend most of their poorly-received material, but there are still a few songs I don't care for.

Anyways, I'm hoping Rich Costey is producing a whole album for them. He produced my favorite album (Absolution) so I think he could push Muse in a good direction. Obviously the songwriting is still most important.
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Old 16-10-2017, 01:01 AM   #1248
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This is so funny to me because I'm probably one of the more positive Muse fans you'll meet. I tend to defend most of their poorly-received material, but there are still a few songs I don't care for.

Anyways, I'm hoping Rich Costey is producing a whole album for them. He produced my favorite album (Absolution) so I think he could push Muse in a good direction. Obviously the songwriting is still most important.
I've always felt the production on Abso never really blends and leaves me kinda cold. That said, the songwriting and creative direction are top of the line Muse, so Rich can definitely help them reach great heights, and ever since TR I don't think overall sound and production has been a big issue on their records.

However, I'm feeling like this isn't going to be a whole album, and we'll hopefully see a song or two by mid November.
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Old 16-10-2017, 02:19 AM   #1249
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Yeah, pretty sure it's just another single. Non-Halloween related. IIRC, they said something within the last few months about aiming to have another song out by late 2017/early 2018. They might record more than one song, like in the Dig Down sessions, but I doubt we'll see the others unless they end up on the eventual record.
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Old 16-10-2017, 02:51 AM   #1250
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Still though, not to kiss the band's arse but their top 30 is pretty much wall-to-wall amazing, let alone their top 15.
True. Maybe it's a little too optimistic to say top 15, but I thought it would be something like an 8/10 song.
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Old 16-10-2017, 06:36 AM   #1251
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Sorry, it felt vague/unclear as I was writing it I don't know the correct terminology to describe the features of Melodyne, Newtone and other vocal fine-tuning tools off the top of my head, but it's definitely been clumsily processed by something like that (whether to correct/modulate the pitch of the original take in some way or adjust the length/tightness of the words, I'm not sure), resulting in that sort of stuttering, inhuman sound in Aftermath's first line. Normally this sort of alteration is done subtly enough that it doesn't notice, but if the effects are overdone (often just a case of turning an adjustment knob too far up or down), the voice starts sounding unnatural and robotic. Without boring everyone with example videos or brushing up on the specifics I probably won't be able to back myself up too well, but have no doubt this is what happened to that opening line (I've messed around with similar on a much more amateurish level). There's bound to be someone hiding away here who knows much more about audio engineering/vocal-editing who'd do a better job of explaining - maybe something for a separate thread !
Sorry but I just don’t buy it. The sound he makes is not inhuman. It’s a technique he uses quite a lot where he adds a quick fry note to a line to give it some more “feeling” or whatever he’s going for. There is nothing in the way that it’s sung that would suggest that it had to be edited to sound that way, and there is nothing locigally to support it either, since we all know Mutt made them do take after take until it was perfect. Why would they edit that line in what you consider such an obvious way?


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What I was meaning with the overdub comment is that if there was something about that line that didn't quite sound right in the original vocal take (and they didn't want to do another full runthrough), it shouldn't have taken long to re-record the line by itself. Not ideal to be cutting and pasting if you're wanting a 100% genuine performance, but neither's the vocal processing they went with instead ! None of it would be anywhere near as strange if we don't already know that Matt's perfectly capable of recording vocals without any studio trickery!
That’s not what overdubbing is though. Overdubbing means to record on top of another recording, so you have two vocal tracks for example.
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Thatís not what overdubbing is though. Overdubbing means to record on top of another recording, so you have two vocal tracks for example.
For that kind of thing the most convenient technique is the punch-in/punch-out recording, in fact. Unless they recorded on tape (which I think they did...?).
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For that kind of thing the most convenient technique is the punch-in/punch-out recording, in fact. Unless they recorded on tape (which I think they did...?).
What? The punch in/out technique is specifically for tapes (even if you can apply it to a certain digital technique), which I'm pretty sure they didn't record on btw.
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What? The punch in/out technique is specifically for tapes (even if you can apply it to a certain digital technique), which I'm pretty sure they didn't record on btw.
So, it was born indeed with tape recording?! *_*
I thought it could be only possibile for digital recording due to its comodity (I have two DAWs in my PC). Thanks for making me learn something new.

Regarding the theory of them recording on tape, I remember a photo taken in the studio in which there was some kind of tape machine (not an analog delay), but I could be wrong.
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Old 16-10-2017, 07:45 PM   #1256
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Sorry but I just don’t buy it. The sound he makes is not inhuman. It’s a technique he uses quite a lot where he adds a quick fry note to a line to give it some more “feeling” or whatever he’s going for. There is nothing in the way that it’s sung that would suggest that it had to be edited to sound that way, and there is nothing locigally to support it either, since we all know Mutt made them do take after take until it was perfect. Why would they edit that line in what you consider such an obvious way?
It's no problem, we can agree to disagree It was the first thing I responded to when I heard the vocals on the song, and I've been baffled by it ever since. If I thought it was just a ropey bit of singing it'd be much easier for me to process in a way, as I wouldn't be having to try and rationalise to myself how completely bizarre and unnecessary such a decision seems (I can only imagine it has something to do with definition and "tightness" on a very pedantic scale)! There's another comparable instance on the word "puppeteer" in Mercy (very specifically in the foreground vocal track) that I'm sure most people will hear as odd intonation or something, but I'm convinced is clumsy application of a vocal tuning/time-stretching plugin designed to add definition to the individual syllables ...

I could be completely wrong, of course !! I don't think I am, but if it was clear beyond a shadow of a doubt in isolated vocal tracks, I'd be more than happy to say so (I don't think we'll ever get to hear them, one way or another )! To add some perspective, I haven't noticed anything like this on previous Muse studio albums (except on the word "reached" in "now I have finally reached the end" on the Rome DVD performance of Madness haha - but we already know they were happy to tamper with a detail or two on that release), so it's not like I'm going around imagining it everywhere - just a few places on Drones, I guess

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That’s not what overdubbing is though. Overdubbing means to record on top of another recording, so you have two vocal tracks for example.
Oh, I'm sure you're right - I'm muddling the jargon! I mean as in cutting and pasting, punching in and out, or however you want to describe the process of deleting a single line out of a vocal track and trying to seamlessly "dub" in another. It's amazing how bad I am at describing things I'm regularly messing around with in my spare time ... an amateur's prerogative (I hope !)

Whatever the case, I'm hoping there'll be no funny business on the new track!

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Now you made me listen to the terrible mess that Mercy is But actually I agree with you! There's definitely something funny going on with that line that I never noticed before. Still don't agree on Aftermath though, but nevermind.
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Looking more promising all the time. https://www.instagram.com/p/BaXWyJPD...&taken-by=muse
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Looking more promising all the time. https://www.instagram.com/p/BaXWyJPD...&taken-by=muse
I love your sarcasm...
Because at this point I really don't know what to expect, either!
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