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View Poll Results: Which Muse album has the best production?
Showbiz 0 0%
Origin of Symmetry 5 11.90%
Absolution 3 7.14%
Black Holes & Revelations 6 14.29%
The Resistance 3 7.14%
The 2nd Law 14 33.33%
Drones 11 26.19%
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:34 PM   #31
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Abso is a bit too muddy for me. A lot of work went into the small details of that album, but sadly none of them can be heard.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:35 PM   #32
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Abso is a bit too muddy for me. A lot of work went into the small details of that album, but sadly none of them can be heard.
Well I'm surprised by the lack of votes for Showbiz. For classics, Sunburn, Muscle Museum, Fillip, Escape and Uno.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:58 PM   #33
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Yeah, Abso might be their worst production-wise for me. Even the quieter stuff like Endlessly and FAWY sound weirdly muffled and muddy. That, plus the amount of 'meh' tracks/filler make it pretty hard for me to listen to as a whole.

OOS can sound a bit 'sharp' (particularly with some of the guitar parts, like the end of Micro Cuts) in places but generally sounds brilliant considering.
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Old 13-02-2016, 09:52 AM   #34
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Origin would have benefitted from T2L production in so much as some of its more layered, grandiose moments would have shined more.

The downside is that the Mcro Cuts outro, Hyper Music riffs - the heavy sections in general - might have suffered.

The one song on Origin I have always loved the production/layering/mastering (I have no idea what each bit does) on is Bliss. That song is so spacious - I love it.
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Old 13-02-2016, 01:15 PM   #35
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I've always felt that despite it not having the best written tracks, The 2nd Law is very well produced. It feels like it all has space to breathe sufficiently.

Much as it was my favourite album, and may still be, I think Absolution's production is hit-and-miss - the piano songs are good, but the heavier stuff - especially Stockholm Syndrome - is overproduced. Black Holes has the same problem, and I'm not entirely sure by The Resistance or Drones' production.
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Old 13-02-2016, 04:00 PM   #36
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What exactly do we mean when we say overproduced?
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I think it generally just means "too clean". Both clean tones and flawless recordings, often patched together.

Not sure about the SS comment though. Maybe that it's gone through so much processing that it came out a mess? No idea.
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I love how everyone here is a music production expert. Or at least pretend to be . I assume you guys recorded many many songs in the studio and your ears are the same as the best music producers.

Also reading "this song is overproduced" etc. Seems to me it's just talking bullshit to be seemed as competent.
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I've studied music production at uni. Spent a fair amount of time in a studio. Once tried to produce a girl whose instructions for the guitar part was "lots of fchhh sounds".
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I've studied music production at uni. Spent a fair amount of time in a studio. Once tried to produce a girl whose instructions for the guitar part was "lots of fchhh sounds".
And I don't exactly refer to you personally but the general music fan.
I don't believe more than 20% of the members here are producers or studied music. They just wanna sound clever.
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Just because someone isn't trained in music/sound production doesn't preclude them from having an opinion on which Muse albums they think sound best though .
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And people are also able to learn aspects of music production without doing a course at uni/college.
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Like its that hard to listen to music and eventually determine what sounds both well-produced and badly produced.
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I think it generally just means "too clean". Both clean tones and flawless recordings, often patched together.

Not sure about the SS comment though. Maybe that it's gone through so much processing that it came out a mess? No idea.
It does sound to my (admittedly tinnitus-y, damaged) ears that the guitar tone to Stockholm Syndrome sounds a bit over-processed and it feels much more powerful in a live context. I think it said in the Mark Beaumont book the idea during the Absolution recording was a sort of 50-50 tone between playing the part on a guitar and on a synthesiser, but it feels somewhat muted compared to what it can be.

That's all.
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And I don't exactly refer to you personally but the general music fan.
I don't believe more than 20% of the members here are producers or studied music. They just wanna sound clever.
Which is why we're talking about things sounding muddy, spacious, clean, etc. As we're on a !usic forum, it's a safe bet that we've heard enough music to know subpar production when we hear it, even when we don't get the technical aspects.

What sort of production do people feel would suit Abso best?
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What sort of production do people feel would suit Abso best?
SS and TSP should sound more like Dead Star I think.
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