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Old 10-04-2018, 04:18 AM   #2476
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Old 11-04-2018, 01:17 AM   #2477
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Okay, so Muse isn't as great as they once were but are they really a mess? They release 6-7/10 albums and tour regularly, occasionally they do something cool for hardcore fans. What's really messy in that?
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Old 11-04-2018, 02:20 AM   #2478
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For starters, your scores for the albums are entirely subjective, and touring "regularly" isn't really a measure of quality?
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Old 11-04-2018, 03:13 AM   #2479
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I think it's more that their sense of artistic direction is a mess, or at least that's how I interpreted it, and to an extent 6/10 albums are a byproduct of that. Without even going into the live side of things which is a whole other issue, I think it's understandable that some fans aren't content with 6/10 albums when the band have shown in the past they could be so much better than that, even while experimenting with new styles. What's messy is this kind of divide they seem to have made for themselves between deliberately catering to a more casual audience to seemingly try to 'stay relevant' if that's fair, and still trying to keep the old fans onboard.
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:29 AM   #2480
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The problem is that the fans/listeners/audience is too demanding these days! "Make a rock-album!" "Serve your older fans!" "We want songs like on OOS/Abso!"
We (or I) want this and want that blablabla....
People forget that they are artists, they have (or should have) the freedom to do what they want. People change, tastes change. If Matt feels like doing a more experimental album, so let him do it.
I loved Drones. Yes, I would be very happy if they'd stick to rock, but if they decide to do more pop or whatsoever now, ok. I might not like the new album or it might be a masterpiece or it might be mediocre, we don't know it so far.

Matt, Dom and Chris - not to forget Morgan - are excellent musicians and artists. The liveshows are still great, but different than in the early days.
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Old 11-04-2018, 01:08 PM   #2481
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The problem is that the fans/listeners/audience is too demanding these days! "Make a rock-album!" "Serve your older fans!" "We want songs like on OOS/Abso!"
The only place you see those kinds of comments is Facebook though.

And yes, I demand more than 6/10 albums from any artist I listen to. It can't really be "too" demanding though. If I don't like something, that's not gonna change just because I was a fan of a band's earlier work *shrug*
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This entire idea (that, yes, is rampant on Facebook) that because you're a "fan" of something you have to love everything about it or you're not a "fan" anymore is ludicrous.
I'm not going to give an artist a pass for putting out derivative, sub-par material because I loved their other stuff.

And this "you just can't handle change" "artists grow and evolve" thing really needs to be put to rest. Not just because it's a clichťd excuse, but because the band just put out an entire album that was supposed to be like their old stuff, and people still hated it.
It's not the style of the music people aren't connecting with anymore, it's the substance.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:54 PM   #2483
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If Matt feels like doing a more experimental album, so let him do it.
Except that experimental to Muse means sounding more and more like generic radio music that everyone else is doing.

They've always been experimenting with stuff they hadn't done before. Now it just seems like the goal of the experiment is to sound unoriginal and remain popular in the US.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:10 PM   #2484
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The only place you see those kinds of comments is Facebook though.

And yes, I demand more than 6/10 albums from any artist I listen to. It can't really be "too" demanding though. If I don't like something, that's not gonna change just because I was a fan of a band's earlier work *shrug*
I'm not on Facebook, but I've seen such comments on Twitter too.
There are good albums and bad ones. But just because there is, let's say 2 bad ones from an artist and the rest is great, won't stop me from listening or liking the artist - but only if the bad ones aren't the recent ones and no good one comes ever again then it's time to move on. Happened to me with Bon Jovi for example. I have all of their albums up to "Bounce" (which was ) and no album after that was good (for me) so I stopped buying them and going to gigs.
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Except that experimental to Muse means sounding more and more like generic radio music that everyone else is doing.

They've always been experimenting with stuff they hadn't done before. Now it just seems like the goal of the experiment is to sound unoriginal and remain popular in the US.
Yeah, I noticed this all of a sudden US-love ... many gigs there and more pop-ish sound. If the album will be a good mix of pop, rock, like it was on BH&R, I have no problem with skipping songs like Dig down. If 8 out of 10 are like Dig down pew... but I think it won't be this way.
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There are good albums and bad ones. But just because there is, let's say 2 bad ones from an artist and the rest is great, won't stop me from listening or liking the artist
Which is exactly why some of us are still here

I'm not sure what you're trying to say though to be honest
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For starters, your scores for the albums are entirely subjective, and touring "regularly" isn't really a measure of quality?
6-7 is an average from critics and fans. I didn't talk about quality, I was talking about messiness and they aren't a messy band by any means. They just aren't good as they once were
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Museís biggest problem since Absolution has been the inconsistent quality of actual songwriting. Sound, genre, instrumentation and so on are immaterial if youíre trying to dress up a turn from the outset, never more evident than on T2L and hence why Iím increasingly coming round to Museís tacot conclusion that the best song on that album is Madness. Itís not my favourite but that comes down to the style in which it was presented. I could say the same for Follow Me which I think would work better as a straight up rock song (Disclaimer: yes, I know the band flipped it but we never heard that rock version so I am curious).

Itís also part of the reason I love Dead Inside so much. I just think itís a quality and thought-provoking song where they got the instrumentation and crescendo just right. Mattís best lyrical effort for years too. And I think you could easily reversion it in various ways and it would still work.
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Which is exactly why some of us are still here

I'm not sure what you're trying to say though to be honest
ok.. tell me what you don't understand.
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