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Old 20-10-2014, 09:39 PM   #121
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Dave, drew up a PCB and confirmed it this morning with a pen and paper. I allowed for the switch in it. I am still not going to build my prototype with one but it's there. I'd recommend an enclosure a similar size to the Animato for that PCB if you are going to add the switch.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7L...ew?usp=sharing

Once I have the pedals working to the way I want, I'll likely produce 10 of these for sale.

What's a reasonable price you guys would pay for one? I was looking to charge $180 AUD shipped so at current rates that's about ~$160-170USD/~100-110GBP/~125-135 (without the meaningless switch )

EDIT: Seems like no one sells the knobs I'm using on the prototype any more. I can't remember where I got them from.
Wonderful! I'll try and get the parts together soon (I have a project for school to design so more soldering will be the last thing in my mind soon!). Would an enclosure similar to a little big muff do?
Also, in that schematic, is the switch necessary?
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Old 21-10-2014, 12:42 AM   #122
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Just double check the PCB before building, I'm certain it's right but I might be wrong.

The switch is unneccessary. I put the resistors that are optional in brackets. They are down at the bottom of the PCB.

The enclosure it will fit in is similar to the MXR size, provided you have no battery. I've allowed for two stand off screws also, which I will use because I want to be able to toss the pedal into a brick wall and it still work. It might also be possible to mount the pots onto the board themselves, using the right angle standing pots with the long PCB legs because I originally wanted to mount it with them.

Can't also find those nice silver knobs any more. I'm going to see what I can do. An equivalent costs way too much in both small and large volumes. I'll likely go with some Davies 1900H, white knobs. Plain, but simple.

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I would look for 150 personally, assuming your build quality is top notch.
I'll see what I can do with this first prototype build and let you guys judge. It might look that way if I have to finish the enclosures from scratch but I'll see. This will be my first attempt at painting an enclosure but I've painted a car before so I imagine it will be very similar, I just need to set up a dust free work station, most likely my bathroom. They'll likely just be white with the orange stripes and text decal because I kind of despise busy looking pedals and I'd like a similar style to the original pedal as well as influences from the old Acoustic amps (I miss that 220 )

I obviously want to make it as top notch as possible. I've sold a few pedals before. Matthijs has a pedal I've made before and that was my first attempt at clear decals and that went okay, not fantastic as I learned it stretched very easily. I liked the board on that but not the use of electric tape so I'm working around that with things like dust covers and better planning.

Only things I'm concerned about outside of my control quality wise is the jacks I am buying, as well as the wire I'm using. I cannot for the life of me find a good, sturdy quality wire here and the jacks I am using because the place I'm going to use has cheap equivalents.

Last time, I found the cheaper Neutrik jacks worked a treat over the Switchcraft but I'll see what these other ones are like.

Basically, I'll do my absolute best on the prototype build. I'll learn from there what works and what doesn't. I'm satisfied that the board will fit in beautifully with the rest and everything should be pretty easy to wire. I'm planning on selling some locally too because it really grabbed the attention of bassists at our first gig.
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Old 21-10-2014, 07:49 PM   #123
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I'll pay that price too, the previous pedal is doing well and I vouch for your quality. Would love a compact sized pedal over one with switch
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Old 21-10-2014, 08:24 PM   #124
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I won't be fitting the switch and a battery. I use a power brick on my board so I've no need for the space.
I may check out about a variable capacitor for that first cap, just to be able to adjust the bass. Maybe as a trim pot or something.

edit: I see those resistors. Seriously, great work man!

edit: I can't find a suitable variable cap so I'll just stick with the 22uf unless you know of a better value.
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Old 21-10-2014, 10:41 PM   #125
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Am I right in assuming this is the trim pot?

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Old 21-10-2014, 11:07 PM   #126
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Use a 2.2uF cap. If that fails, use 2 x 1uF caps in parallel. The 22uF will not get you the original sound but it will sound like a Big Muff on steroids. Feel free to play around with that one.

And yes, it's a trimpot. I allowed for standing trimpots or low profile ones, hence the holes in the middle. When it comes time to adjust it, what I recommend is turning all the knobs to about 12 o'clock/half way, turn the trimpot off, then slowly bring it up while playing real soft. When it sounds like it starts to clip a tiny bit, stop. Of course, experiment with that all you like.

I tried to etch a board yesterday. Magazine paper works for the transfer (really well) but the home made etching chemicals did not work. How it burned the copper looks fucking awesome but useless. Also, my real etching chemicals, all my PCB drill bits and any decal transfers are in storage so yesterday wouldn't have been a good idea anyway... Going to be a long search ahead of me tonight to find them. I might get a print shop to print the waterslide decals. Lots of trial and error ahead.

Fingers crossed it works for you Dave. The parts for mine should arrive today or tomorrow but I won't get around to doing it until the weekend. Blame EP recording and assignments for that.

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I'll pay that price too, the previous pedal is doing well and I vouch for your quality. Would love a compact sized pedal over one with switch
Glad people are seeing the switch as useless. I mean, I probably could fit it in but at the cost of adding a switch for no real purpose other than "keeping it the same", I don't want to. The PCB's will have the option ready to go if people really wish to do so though.

Thank you. For those that don't know, this is what Matthijs got off me a while back. First attempt with decals so I learned a lot from that.







Also, going on record to say, I'm loving the original pedal with our band. It's very nice sitting on top of the clean blend and has been the most useful distortion for bass in a long time for me... mainly because of that blend. It just does wonders.

To add to this too... making a PCB for a Russian Big Muff.

EDIT: Fuck off... I ordered parts from overseas 36 hours ago. They've arrived today.
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Old 22-10-2014, 03:14 PM   #127
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Dave, one quick thing with the PCB, one resistor has the wrong value on it. The first resistor below the screw mount on the right hand side of the board should read 470 instead of 100.

I discovered one issue I'm going to have too and that is board mounting height. I might halve the number of capacitors from the power filtering because that makes sense in my mind and means I can push the caps down. The rest should fit in. Tight, but should. Just need 15mm standoffs for the board and to do some final measure ups of the enclosure and I'll make a start tomorrow.
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Old 22-10-2014, 09:27 PM   #128
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Use a 2.2uF cap. If that fails, use 2 x 1uF caps in parallel. The 22uF will not get you the original sound but it will sound like a Big Muff on steroids. Feel free to play around with that one.

And yes, it's a trimpot. I allowed for standing trimpots or low profile ones, hence the holes in the middle. When it comes time to adjust it, what I recommend is turning all the knobs to about 12 o'clock/half way, turn the trimpot off, then slowly bring it up while playing real soft. When it sounds like it starts to clip a tiny bit, stop. Of course, experiment with that all you like.
Ah okay. I might hook up the two different values with an internal switch or an external one.
That square was the one thing that was confusing me with the layout
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Dave, one quick thing with the PCB, one resistor has the wrong value on it. The first resistor below the screw mount on the right hand side of the board should read 470 instead of 100.
I changed it on the diagram just to be sure.
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Old 23-10-2014, 07:50 AM   #129
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Well I made my PCB today so fingers crossed it works. Ran out of solder too, which is a pain. I wont get it working until Sunday. I stuffed up the enclosure painting so I will sand it down and retry tonight after work.

EDIT: The enclosure is way too small. I'm going to do my tests with this PCB on its own in a tester box I have but I might redesign this to fit specifically in an enclosure like this. Might involve standing some resistors up and being a little bit less conventional but it's definitely possible. Also done goofed with the drill and the DC jack. Learning experience once again.
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Old 24-10-2014, 03:21 PM   #130
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Bleh. I'm not happy with this only because it doesn't look very tidy but it's functional which is all I really want right now. Very soon it'll be done. I'm going to bed.



Not making the PCB's this small for "production" nor using those gigantic capacitors again. Nor am I painting enclosures again, at least not while I have nowhere clean enough to paint them (outside won't cut it). I'll be planning ones to send off a bit more than this.

EDIT: Dave, if you are using C2240s, watch the pinout. It is not what I wrote on the PCB. I'm rather annoyed because I need to desolder 5 transistors on my mini board. One of them lost the copper trace in doing so. Bleh. I really don't care about this pedal now, so long as it works.
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Old 26-10-2014, 01:17 AM   #131
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Very good job !

I have made a Diefet pedal this summer and I think that this one will be the next pedal I make on December. I will keep an eye on this thread to see if there are changes in the PCB or components until this date.
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Old 26-10-2014, 01:28 AM   #132
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Cheers. I'll need to redo the mini PCB. I'm fairly sure. I wired up my mini board yesterday and nothing worked. I don't have time at the moment to play the debugging game so it'll have to hold off for another week or so, which is frustrating. I think the worst thing was working on this in the late evenings where I'm not exactly at my sharpest, missing obvious things like the pin out orientation of the C2240's, which swaps the base and collector around in a strange fashion.

Also, those jacks I bought. Errr. They aren't great. They feel like a very loose connection even though they are safely in. Hmm.

Just a terrible week for me. *derp*
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Old 28-10-2014, 02:29 PM   #133
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I'd definitely be interested for 100ish
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Well at this rate it wont be happening. Had absolutely zero luck with the second PCB. This is now getting frustrating. I'll give it one last shot before I decide to make an uber huge PCB to rule out all errors and act as a testbed.
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Old 30-10-2014, 03:37 PM   #135
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Don't give up ! I will need this pedal to use it with bass I will buy at the end of the year
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