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Old 09-02-2017, 11:59 AM   #8476
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I could have sworn they had that in 2013.
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Old 09-02-2017, 12:55 PM   #8477
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Anyway. I was wondering, do the V.I.P tickets not include a meeting with them? I could have sworn they had that in 2013. Only, then I couldn't afford that. When I could afford it last year, I didn't buy them because it just doesn't seem worth it if it doesn't include a brief meeting with the band.
Nope, the VIP thing's never involved a meet-and-greet tmk. Wouldn't advise supporting it either since it's a pretty shitty system towards fans, but it's your money.

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You are in Europe...

Go look at the North American Setlists in 2015/16 - they had UD and Resistance every night, and no sign of Stockholm, TaB, and Plug In, Bliss and Citizen were scarcely played.
I know there's a blatant bias and all but Europe can get shite sets, too.

Their last two gigs in Oslo have seen stuff like Resistance, Guiding Light and UD. So they probably have seen some naff songs and just didn't mind them.
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:20 PM   #8478
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For me, it's not necessarily about the quality of the songs they play but the lack of variety. Subtract the Drones album tracks from the show I saw on their last tour and every other song was played in the 2nd Law gig that I attended. Remove Madness and the rest of the set was also played in the Resistance shows that I saw.

It's not that I dislike all the singles or begrudge them having a few concert staples but a little variety for their repeat customers would be appreciated.
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Old 09-02-2017, 02:11 PM   #8479
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That's funny you use that as an example. I've seen Pearl Jam 5 times since 2003 and have never once heard Jeremy. Maybe the 6th time will be the charm
I imagine that you're pretty busted up that those 5 concerts included over 160 songs during 15 hours of live performance even though they kept forgetting to play their biggest single. Probably no prerecorded playback or lasers either. So lame of them.
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Old 09-02-2017, 02:19 PM   #8480
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There was no VIP meet and greet last time, either.

The band doesn't HAVE to drop the singles.
I've seen plenty of bands where they still manage to play all the big singles, and have tremendous setlists, even at 18 songs (although Muse US is usually shorter than that, which is pretty unacceptable.)
Put in a couple of real stellar rarities in the remaining slots, and people are still going to be happy. It's really that easy.

It has nothing to do with the singles, or the visuals (there were just a couple of Drones Tour visuals that were song specific if you really think about it, and they weren't shy of dropping those anyways, as much of the US didn't get that blacked out stage, fire halo, blinkie glasses bit when they dropped a song slot and didn't fill it.)
It's everything to do with Matt's poor attitude about playing songs to his fans; if the people in the rafters aren't singing along, he's not going to do it. And then you create a cycle where your fans piss off because you blatantly told them gigs weren't for them, and less and less people who do show up know any of the songs.
This is all self inflicted.
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Old 09-02-2017, 02:29 PM   #8481
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And, of course, the irony is that the fans who are there mainly to hear the singles are likely the fickle ones who may or may not care to see them again. The people begging for rarities are the diehard fans who own all their albums and see every tour. I'm certainly passing on this tour unless I see something pretty spectacular in the early sets that might prompt me to drive 6 hours each way for a show.
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I imagine that you're pretty busted up that those 5 concerts included over 160 songs during 15 hours of live performance even though they kept forgetting to play their biggest single. Probably no prerecorded playback or lasers either. So lame of them.
Yeah, I have to cry myself to sleep every night pretty much lol. I think Muse might have taken too many pages out of Depeche Mode's playbook when they opened for them however many years ago because their shows are almost exactly the same way, nothing but singles or new songs.
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Old 09-02-2017, 04:36 PM   #8483
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Tour kinda excites me as this is the first one I've seen that isn't in support of product. It's been two years since Drones so setlist potential is wide open. I honestly don't know what to expect and plan on keeping it that way; come May I will go into shutdown mode and hope to block any and all news of setlists, stage set-ups, potential new songs and just sit back and enjoy what they bring to the table without any preconceived knowledge or expectations.
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:20 PM   #8484
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Tour kinda excites me as this is the first one I've seen that isn't in support of product. It's been two years since Drones so setlist potential is wide open. I honestly don't know what to expect and plan on keeping it that way; come May I will go into shutdown mode and hope to block any and all news of setlists, stage set-ups, potential new songs and just sit back and enjoy what they bring to the table without any preconceived knowledge or expectations.
I don't like being a debbie downer when it comes to other people's experiences but I genuinely think you're only gonna be disappointed if you build it up like that...
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:36 PM   #8485
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Yeah I wouldn't be expecting any new songs, but if I manage to get a ticket to the Tampa show which I believe is the 2nd show of of the tour I'm gonna make a strong effort to not look at the set list the night before, which would be a first for me lol but I'd rather be surprised with a shit setlist than know it's coming at this point lol
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:57 PM   #8486
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Tour kinda excites me as this is the first one I've seen that isn't in support of product. It's been two years since Drones so setlist potential is wide open. I honestly don't know what to expect and plan on keeping it that way; come May I will go into shutdown mode and hope to block any and all news of setlists, stage set-ups, potential new songs and just sit back and enjoy what they bring to the table without any preconceived knowledge or expectations.
Good on yer.
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Old 09-02-2017, 06:14 PM   #8487
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Also, maybe retract what I said before about L/R genuinely being their only gigs in Europe 'cause Kasabian are also listed as UK festival exclusives when they're playing Trnsmt in Scotland.
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Also, maybe retract what I said before about L/R genuinely being their only gigs in Europe 'cause Kasabian are also listed as UK festival exclusives when they're playing Trnsmt in Scotland.
That's odd. Maybe the festival organisers are just really keen on Scottish independence and already consider Scotland separate
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Old 09-02-2017, 06:19 PM   #8489
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Yeah I wouldn't be expecting any new songs, but if I manage to get a ticket to the Tampa show which I believe is the 2nd show of of the tour I'm gonna make a strong effort to not look at the set list the night before, which would be a first for me lol but I'd rather be surprised with a shit setlist than know it's coming at this point lol
The first couple of gigs usually get something like CE or Bliss, at least, before Matt gets mad and stops playing them. Happened last tour, as well.

I don't think we should expect that this isn't a "Drones Tour." Matt said he wanted to come back this year after the 360 was way too short, so it's likely just an extension of that tour.
(Also, shocked that Matt wasn't just spouting bs about coming back at that last gig!)

I've said to death that all Muse needed to do was throw some surprises in the setlist... a Fury, Assassin or HM or something... and the fans would have kept coming just for that.

Saw a different band at First Ave a short while ago. I'm familiar with all their stuff since 2003, and there were three songs I didn't recognize. The front part of the crowd just lost their minds.
Saw a song from their previous album's live debut, and some stuff that hadn't been played since 2010 and 2007.
Looked at the other setlists, and HO-LY-FUCK they're all different, full of rarities, old shit, and the hidden track off an album from like 10 years ago.
Only 18/19 songs, and they still manage to bring out all the big hits, too.
Probably not a coincidence that it was THE roughest crowd I'd seen at a US gig in decades, and I'm really damn glad I was upstairs for it.
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Saw a different band at First Ave a short while ago. I'm familiar with all their stuff since 2003, and there were three songs I didn't recognize. The front part of the crowd just lost their minds.
Saw a song from their previous album's live debut, and some stuff that hadn't been played since 2010 and 2007.
Looked at the other setlists, and HO-LY-FUCK they're all different, full of rarities, old shit, and the hidden track off an album from like 10 years ago.
Only 18/19 songs, and they still manage to bring out all the big hits, too.
Probably not a coincidence that it was THE roughest crowd I'd seen at a US gig in decades, and I'm really damn glad I was upstairs for it.
Is that AFI by any chance? I've been following their recent setlists and your description seems pretty spot on for what they've been doing. They're a bit of a weird case though as from what I can see they're hardly playing anything from their new album (which came out last month.) I can't see Muse doing anything like that, although all it would take is adding 2/3 songs to the set and you could fit in all that old stuff and a decent amount from the newest album.
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