Go Back   Muse Messageboard > Muse Site > Muse.mu Support

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 5 votes, 5.00 average.
Old 17-04-2013, 06:10 PM   #796
Dee3Dee
Swedish scum
Most Devoted Fan 2012
 
Join Date: 25 September 2009
Age: 26
Dear Niall,

How is the CarrieB discussion coming along? Has action already been taken?

Love,
Ari
__________________
Dee3Dee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 06:40 PM   #797
Niall
☼☁☂❄
 
Niall's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09 April 2006
Location: Stratford, London
Age: 31
Last.fm icon Twitter icon
It's a complicated matter because Carrie didn't explicitly break any of the board rules - we ask users not to post material that is provocative and inflammatory but Carrie's post wasn't intended to be, it just had that effect. A lot of the replies to it made personal attacks to her instead of just reporting or attacking the content of her posts which is against the board rules.

But whatever action we take it is, as always, a matter of ensuring users follow the board rules and not a matter of public retribution, and we cannot discuss things that have been said in the mod forum outside of it. Infractions are meant to keep users in line with the board rules, not to facilitate revenge when people piss each other off - that just happens to often coincide with breakages of the rules. That said, Carrie was given a warning in response to the post, which I'm fine with saying - when warnings and infractions are issued they are normally visible on the board publicly, but this wasn't this time as thread was deleted.
Niall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 07:02 PM   #798
Dee3Dee
Swedish scum
Most Devoted Fan 2012
 
Join Date: 25 September 2009
Age: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall View Post
It's a complicated matter because Carrie didn't explicitly break any of the board rules - we ask users not to post material that is provocative and inflammatory but Carrie's post wasn't intended to be, it just had that effect. A lot of the replies to it made personal attacks to her instead of just reporting or attacking the content of her posts which is against the board rules.

But whatever action we take it is, as always, a matter of ensuring users follow the board rules and not a matter of public retribution, and we cannot discuss things that have been said in the mod forum outside of it. Infractions are meant to keep users in line with the board rules, not to facilitate revenge when people piss each other off - that just happens to often coincide with breakages of the rules. That said, Carrie was given a warning in response to the post, which I'm fine with saying - when warnings and infractions are issued they are normally visible on the board publicly, but this wasn't this time as thread was deleted.
My "Are Muse going to split up" thread was intended as a joke, and it was clear that everyone took it as a joke. And yet I got infracted for provocative posting. Frankly, intended or not, that was provocative posting on her part. Just giving her a warning is complete nonsense imho.
__________________
Dee3Dee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 07:24 PM   #799
Kueller917
Funniest Muser 2013
 
Kueller917's Avatar
 
Join Date: 10 April 2009
Location: Bay Area, US
Age: 24
Twitter icon You Tube icon SoundCloud icon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee3Dee View Post
My "Are Muse going to split up" thread was intended as a joke, and it was clear that everyone took it as a joke. And yet I got infracted for provocative posting. Frankly, intended or not, that was provocative posting on her part. Just giving her a warning is complete nonsense imho.
Actually I do think the infraction for that joke thread was quite excessive.
__________________
2009/12/11 | 2010/04/14 | 2011/08/13 | 2013/01/28
2015/12/15 | 2015/12/18 | 2017/08/27 | 2017/09/15

Kueller917 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 07:36 PM   #800
altbecky
Blocked in your country
Best Mature Muser 2014
 
altbecky's Avatar
 
Join Date: 20 December 2011
Twitter icon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kueller917 View Post
Actually I do think the infraction for that joke thread was quite excessive.
Me too. And I've been meaning to apologize to Ari for my part in it since it happened. Serious over reaction on my part, and I couldn't feel worse about it, Ari.
altbecky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 07:37 PM   #801
Dee3Dee
Swedish scum
Most Devoted Fan 2012
 
Join Date: 25 September 2009
Age: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by musemomof4 View Post
Me too. And I've been meaning to apologize to Ari for my part in it since it happened. Serious over reaction on my part, and I couldn't feel worse about it, Ari.
Ah, don't worry about it! We're all good. Sorry if you felt that the whole thing was aimed at you. It wasn't.
__________________
Dee3Dee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 07:52 PM   #802
altbecky
Blocked in your country
Best Mature Muser 2014
 
altbecky's Avatar
 
Join Date: 20 December 2011
Twitter icon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee3Dee View Post
Ah, don't worry about it! We're all good. Sorry if you felt that the whole thing was aimed at you. It wasn't.
altbecky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 07:53 PM   #803
Frakkles
Biggest Beef Stirrer 2010, 2012, 2013
 
Frakkles's Avatar
 
Join Date: 21 November 2009
Location: Throwing You On The Ground
Age: 26
Send a message via Skype™ to Frakkles
Facebook icon Last.fm icon Twitter icon
My issue with that whole Carrie thing isn't necessarily her original post (which, while complete and utterly thoughtless, is possible to defend to an extent). My issue is that, even after being told that her post was out of order, she decided to continue digging her own grave by tell everyone to "stuff themselves" (I believe that was her choice of words anyway).

In that instance, I think the reaction was somewhat justified given the severity of the topic at hand. Emotions were running high and the post just drew that out of people (ironically, I personally don't feel there were very many personal attacks against her, if any at all)

It does feel like certain people have been infracted for far less (including things that were clearly meant as a joke like the above example).
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sippe View Post
lol mods are cunts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tjet View Post
I was obviously wrong
Frakkles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 07:54 PM   #804
Dee3Dee
Swedish scum
Most Devoted Fan 2012
 
Join Date: 25 September 2009
Age: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frakkles View Post
My issue with that whole Carrie thing isn't necessarily her original post (which, while complete and utterly thoughtless, is possible to defend to an extent). My issue is that, even after being told that her post was out of order, she decided to continue digging her own grave by tell everyone to "stuff themselves" (I believe that was her choice of words anyway).

In that instance, I think the reaction was somewhat justified given the severity of the topic at hand. Emotions were running high and the post just drew that out of people (ironically, I personally don't feel there were very many personal attacks against her, if any at all).
Which could be considered continuing provocative posting.
__________________
Dee3Dee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 07:54 PM   #805
Meep
Moderately neato.
 
Meep's Avatar
 
Join Date: 14 October 2004
Age: 30
she dumb.
__________________
Eat lead, slackers!
Meep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 07:55 PM   #806
Dee3Dee
Swedish scum
Most Devoted Fan 2012
 
Join Date: 25 September 2009
Age: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meep View Post
she dumb.
You're not late to the party!
__________________
Dee3Dee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 08:59 PM   #807
Strangeseas
GTA Onizuka
 
Strangeseas's Avatar
 
Join Date: 15 August 2012
Location: Berlin
Age: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frakkles View Post
In that instance, I think the reaction was somewhat justified given the severity of the topic at hand. Emotions were running high and the post just drew that out of people (ironically, I personally don't feel there were very many personal attacks against her, if any at all)
I think CarrieB knows that she isn't exactly loved by the majority of this board.
Her attempt to defend herself was quite understandable imo based on the fact how people react on her posts normally.
I think she didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings with her post. (Probably she heard of it by hearsay and didn't realize that people actually died.)

Carrie is neither mean nor malicious. She just doesn't meet the board standard of snarkiness and "wit".
Tbh the CarrieB bashing goes too far by now. She was told that what she did was very insensitive and wrong and got a warning. People should move on.
__________________
Cats > Triangles

No

Strangeseas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 09:04 PM   #808
Furygirl
Best Mature Muser 2009
Best Mature Muser 2013
 
Furygirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: 16 May 2009
Location: Tool shed
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frakkles View Post
I personally don't feel there were very many personal attacks against her, if any at all.
Not true. There was quite a bit of sincere vitriol aimed at her.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Strangeseas View Post
I think CarrieB knows that she isn't exactly loved by the majority of this board.
Her attempt to defend herself was quite understandable imo based on the fact how people react on her posts normally.
I think she didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings with her post. (Probably she heard of it by hearsay and didn't realize that people actually died.)

Carrie is neither mean nor malicious. She just doesn't meet the board standard of snarkiness and "wit".
Tbh the CarrieB bashing goes too far by now. She was told that what she did was very insensitive and wrong and got a warning. People should move on.
You're very sensible.

And I'm not defending anyone. There were mistakes made all 'round imo.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by bumpypotato View Post
And @Dee: Is it possible for you to argue/debate/discuss/etc without sounding like you got your cock stuck in a rose bush?
Furygirl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 09:35 PM   #809
Niall
☼☁☂❄
 
Niall's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09 April 2006
Location: Stratford, London
Age: 31
Last.fm icon Twitter icon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee3Dee View Post
My "Are Muse going to split up" thread was intended as a joke, and it was clear that everyone took it as a joke. And yet I got infracted for provocative posting. Frankly, intended or not, that was provocative posting on her part. Just giving her a warning is complete nonsense imho.
Not at all, you had quite a history of warning and infractions and Carrie does not, ergo, it's not nonsense to give her only a warning give her very sparse infraction record. Your post broke more than one rule anyway, and Carrie didn't intend to provoke anyone. Her post appears to be ignorant and insensitive but it wasn't intended to appear that way.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frakkles View Post
My issue with that whole Carrie thing isn't necessarily her original post (which, while complete and utterly thoughtless, is possible to defend to an extent). My issue is that, even after being told that her post was out of order, she decided to continue digging her own grave by tell everyone to "stuff themselves" (I believe that was her choice of words anyway).
Yes, that was definitely taken into account, but you did imply she was a cunt too. She should have just reported your post instead of replying though.

Quote:
In that instance, I think the reaction was somewhat justified given the severity of the topic at hand. Emotions were running high and the post just drew that out of people (ironically, I personally don't feel there were very many personal attacks against her, if any at all)
Emotions were running high which explains why people were probably angry to that degree - some of it directed at her post and some directed at her.

Quote:
It does feel like certain people have been infracted for far less (including things that were clearly meant as a joke like the above example).
It might feel like that but I don't think so. We always try to be consistent while taken into account any transient circumstances. If you want to discuss any instances where you think this isn't so please do get in contact; we don't aim to be inconsistent.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Strangeseas View Post
I think CarrieB knows that she isn't exactly loved by the majority of this board.
Her attempt to defend herself was quite understandable imo based on the fact how people react on her posts normally.
I think she didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings with her post. (Probably she heard of it by hearsay and didn't realize that people actually died.)

Carrie is neither mean nor malicious. She just doesn't meet the board standard of snarkiness and "wit".
Tbh the CarrieB bashing goes too far by now. She was told that what she did was very insensitive and wrong and got a warning. People should move on.
Yeah, you speak a lot of sense. She has definitely been the subject of aggravation from people, more so than most people. This has largely died down recently however, the recent incident aside, but I doubt people have forgotten.
Niall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-04-2013, 09:46 PM   #810
Kueller917
Funniest Muser 2013
 
Kueller917's Avatar
 
Join Date: 10 April 2009
Location: Bay Area, US
Age: 24
Twitter icon You Tube icon SoundCloud icon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall View Post
Not at all, you had quite a history of warning and infractions and Carrie does not, ergo, it's not nonsense to give her only a warning give her very sparse infraction record. Your post broke more than one rule anyway, and Carrie didn't intend to provoke anyone. Her post appears to be ignorant and insensitive but it wasn't intended to appear that way.
He broke Rule 8 at most (although it was really obvious as to not be legit information). No one in the thread really thought it provocative and at most a warning and locking the thread would seem a better solution.

Also while I'm here talking about Swedish users getting infracted, I'll also say I think Sippe's ban was a bit unfair.
__________________
2009/12/11 | 2010/04/14 | 2011/08/13 | 2013/01/28
2015/12/15 | 2015/12/18 | 2017/08/27 | 2017/09/15

Kueller917 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dear Kev Dramatic Hammer Muse.mu Support 2087 25-09-2012 05:12 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:55 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Follow the Muse Messageboard on Twitter!
'Pornogenic' - this refers to pics of Muse (and their crotch regions)