NA Tour 2017 General Discussion Thread

[White Heat]

Originally Posted by Suq Madiq

Btw I heard him play Dead Inside and he struggled like he did during the 2015/16 tour.

He did way worst, probably embarrased himself and dropped it for the next gig

[Nigel_Tufnel]

Originally Posted by Corkscrewed

So... I guess we're so over Muse that we're not even going to bother complaining that this NA2017 tour is the same as the Drones Tour minus the best Drones songs and plus the two new singles but they kept the slower paced poppy stuff and are still playing The Globalist?

Aight, cool.

Was there ever any doubt about what the setlist would be? I wondered if they would hang onto The Globalist. The rest was utterly predictable. It's great that they played Stockholm Syndrome but rotating it with The Handler is laughable. Oh well. I'm not sorry to be sitting this one out.

[Nigel_Tufnel]

Originally Posted by SerpentSatellite

Except they still have the drum and bass jam.
Matt's giggling about it on the Hamms interview makes me think it *is* intended to be a joke... but one that's not going to make sense to 99% of the people there, and to piss off the people that do "get" it.

It would have been a more relevant joke if Chris and Dom walked off the stage halfway through and the music kept playing. Kind of like the jarring scene toward the end of the movie, Mulholland Drive. (Minus the context and impact, of course.) If you're going to have a mid-set WTF moment, you'd might as well go all in.

[forevermusic]

Originally Posted by Nigel_Tufnel

It would have been a more relevant joke if Chris and Dom walked off the stage halfway through and the music kept playing. Kind of like the jarring scene toward the end of the movie, Mulholland Drive. (Minus the context and impact, of course.) If you're going to have a mid-set WTF moment, you'd might as well go all in.

Next tour.

[29pearls]

Originally Posted by White Heat

He did way worst, probably embarrased himself and dropped it for the next gig

Um, wrong. Don't know if you were at the gig, but I was& it sounded pitch perfect from the first few rows- in no way did he struggle. I was happy to get DI in place of UD bc I'd already seen UD before & the acoustic seems to add nothing. Same with Handler- great as it is, I've already seen SS live. Handler was also great - none of the vocal struggles from videos I saw from last year. So maybe the audio doesn't translate well in recordings in general?

[Jobby]

Originally Posted by 29pearls

Um, wrong. Don't know if you were at the gig, but I was& it sounded pitch perfect from the first few rows- in no way did he struggle. I was happy to get DI in place of UD bc I'd already seen UD before & the acoustic seems to add nothing. Same with Handler- great as it is, I've already seen SS live. Handler was also great - none of the vocal struggles from videos I saw from last year. So maybe the audio doesn't translate well in recordings in general?

Or maybe being in the heat of the moment in the middle of a crowd with amps blaring at you gives you a skewed perspective of the sound

I wouldn't say it was worse but DI and The Handler both definitely had the same struggles as the arena tour - husky falsetto, bit short of breath and struggling with the higher chest notes. If you watch videos back it's pretty obvious, the audio was really clear.

[Tjet]

Originally Posted by Jobby

Or maybe being in the heat of the moment in the middle of a crowd with amps blaring at you gives you a skewed perspective of the sound

I wouldn't say it was worse but DI and The Handler both definitely had the same struggles as the arena tour - husky falsetto, bit short of breath and struggling with the higher chest notes. If you watch videos back it's pretty obvious, the audio was really clear.

It's always funny when people think that videos somehow make Matt sound out of breath, his voice crack and his falsetto sound husky (regardless of camera/phone). Because it can't be that being at a gig doesn't really let you pick up all the details

[29pearls]

Originally Posted by Jobby

Or maybe being in the heat of the moment in the middle of a crowd with amps blaring at you gives you a skewed perspective of the sound

I wouldn't say it was worse but DI and The Handler both definitely had the same struggles as the arena tour - husky falsetto, bit short of breath and struggling with the higher chest notes. If you watch videos back it's pretty obvious, the audio was really clear.

Lol, my ears work quite well thank you. By your logic, the opinion of those actually at the gig counts less than those hearing a recording filtered thru machines that degrade & distort quality. Sure thing, I guess we should skip going to gigs & just rely on a band recording.

[SerpentSatellite]

It sounded exactly the same as all the other times he struggled, though; same places, same issues.
Because of that, I'm way more inclined to believe the videos. It would be impossible that everyone's phone/camera distorted every video in the exact same way.

I saw the last tour during the phase he was probably struggling some of the least, and he still had a terrible time with the ending of The Handler and KoC, and even Resistance.

[Jobby]

Originally Posted by 29pearls

Lol, my ears work quite well thank you. By your logic, the opinion of those actually at the gig counts less than those hearing a recording filtered thru machines that degrade & distort quality. Sure thing, I guess we should skip going to gigs & just rely on a band recording.

Except that's not what I'm saying at all

From personal experience, I know that it's not always easy to have an accurate perception of all the details at a gig, especially when you're near the front. Whether it be because of the mixing, where you're stood, the venue, being too busy dancing/singing or just looking at things through rose-tinted glasses - it's easy to not hear/see everything. Hell, I had no idea Chris sang the Hyper Music chorus at Leeds Fest until I got home.

These phone reordings aren't all distorted messes from the mid-2000s, they're pretty clear. It's nowt to do with opinions, Matt factually had the same struggles as before. You can still think he sounds good regardless, but that doesn't mean they aren't there.

[Tjet]

Originally Posted by 29pearls

Lol, my ears work quite well thank you. By your logic, the opinion of those actually at the gig counts less than those hearing a recording filtered thru machines that degrade & distort quality. Sure thing, I guess we should skip going to gigs & just rely on a band recording.

You're aware that the loud volumes at gig distorts audio quality for those present as well, right? Not to mention that the mix is totally different depending on where you are at the gig. Or maybe you just can't tell when Matt's struggling? Because that's what it sounds like when I listen to the video which tells the following:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m (+second link) struggles to reach the notes twice in a row

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m7s (+second link) ends the line early to avoid sustaining it which he's obviously struggling with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m12s
(+second link) sings the high note in falsetto to make it easier, which he barely did a single time last tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m27s switches to falsetto again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m32s and again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m41s and again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m50s (+second link) doesn't sound objectively bad, but that's a telling sign he can't hit the note properly, and it sounds a bit funny as a result.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=4m another sign of his struggles, the fact that he's missing cues, and the note isn't exactly pitch perfect as you describe it.

Here's a third video that shows the exact same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoeDRDYlSoQ&t=1m18s

I mean, he has a pretty obvious tell which is that he jerks his head to the side every time he struggles with a note. So the performance is far from embarrassing as someone described it, but also far from pitch perfect and free from struggle like you described it. He struggles throughout most of that song, and that's just a fact.

[fabripav]

Originally Posted by 29pearls

Lol, my ears work quite well thank you. By your logic, the opinion of those actually at the gig counts less than those hearing a recording filtered thru machines that degrade & distort quality. Sure thing, I guess we should skip going to gigs & just rely on a band recording.

[White Heat]

I obviously haven't watched every performance but i cant remember him doing it so badly. Kiedis would be proud.

[Jazzthief]

Originally Posted by Tjet

You're aware that the loud volumes at gig distorts audio quality for those present as well, right? Not to mention that the mix is totally different depending on where you are at the gig. Or maybe you just can't tell when Matt's struggling? Because that's what it sounds like when I listen to the video which tells the following:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m (+second link) struggles to reach the notes twice in a row

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m7s (+second link) ends the line early to avoid sustaining it which he's obviously struggling with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m12s
(+second link) sings the high note in falsetto to make it easier, which he barely did a single time last tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m27s switches to falsetto again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m32s and again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m41s and again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m50s (+second link) doesn't sound objectively bad, but that's a telling sign he can't hit the note properly, and it sounds a bit funny as a result.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=4m another sign of his struggles, the fact that he's missing cues, and the note isn't exactly pitch perfect as you describe it.

Here's a third video that shows the exact same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoeDRDYlSoQ&t=1m18s

I mean, he has a pretty obvious tell which is that he jerks his head to the side every time he struggles with a note. So the performance is far from embarrassing as someone described it, but also far from pitch perfect and free from struggle like you described it. He struggles throughout most of that song, and that's just a fact.

It turns me on when you go full youtube links with timestamps on someone.

[Suq Madiq]

Originally Posted by Tjet

You're aware that the loud volumes at gig distorts audio quality for those present as well, right? Not to mention that the mix is totally different depending on where you are at the gig. Or maybe you just can't tell when Matt's struggling? Because that's what it sounds like when I listen to the video which tells the following:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m (+second link) struggles to reach the notes twice in a row

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m7s (+second link) ends the line early to avoid sustaining it which he's obviously struggling with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m12s
(+second link) sings the high note in falsetto to make it easier, which he barely did a single time last tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m27s switches to falsetto again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m32s and again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m41s and again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=3m50s (+second link) doesn't sound objectively bad, but that's a telling sign he can't hit the note properly, and it sounds a bit funny as a result.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXNDIt0IVP4&t=4m another sign of his struggles, the fact that he's missing cues, and the note isn't exactly pitch perfect as you describe it.

Here's a third video that shows the exact same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoeDRDYlSoQ&t=1m18s

I mean, he has a pretty obvious tell which is that he jerks his head to the side every time he struggles with a note. So the performance is far from embarrassing as someone described it, but also far from pitch perfect and free from struggle like you described it. He struggles throughout most of that song, and that's just a fact.

Very detailed and strong evidence.

I remember the Berlin Lollapoloza performance was even worse than that.