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Old 15-06-2009, 06:20 PM   #1
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Old 15-06-2009, 08:29 PM   #2
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anyone who's ever changed the tubes in their amp:

do you notice much of a difference with brand/matched/etc etc?
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anyone who's ever changed the tubes in their amp:

do you notice much of a difference with brand/matched/etc etc?
yeah, i changed from the stock ones to some higher gain JJs ones. I had more volume, a crisper and brighter tone and a dead amp shortly after. I'm back the the stock ones now because they actually work, but yeah there are benefits from decent valves.
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i'm trying to see what way to go about the Valvecaster. Shitty ones could be good, to get a grainy, gain sound, but, that being said...... a crisp, balanced od is seriously sexy....
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what does it take? a pre amp valve? what kind are you going to use?
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Old 15-06-2009, 08:42 PM   #6
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yeah, i changed from the stock ones to some higher gain JJs ones. I had more volume, a crisper and brighter tone and a dead amp shortly after. I'm back the the stock ones now because they actually work, but yeah there are benefits from decent valves.
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it takes a 12##7 series. Although, it has been made before with a 6111 subminiature, but they're not too easy to get. Even though it's a starved plate, you still get big differences between the different tubes.

The various testimonials go like this:
12AX7 is WAY too much gain. The gain dial just doesn't give enough headroom. It's messy and awkward.
12AU7 is the recommended one. A pretty decent level of gain, not too much, not too little.
12AY7 (or less) seems to just fall short of a nice amount of gain, and basically makes the pedal a fancy boost pedal.
6111 Subminiature seems to make it a bit more bassy. and a lot less bright.

the 6111 kinda interests me, cos i find i'm constantly adjusting the mid and bass on my vox. But, i think with the 12AU7, i could get a nice balance.
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12AX7, gain galore
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they're pretty cheap for shitty ones. I'll try both a 12AX7 and 12AU7 and maybe something random like a 12AV7.
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something else to consider is a 12AZ7

apparently they're quite similar to a 12AT7, but have a different clipping characteristic .... not even sure if this tube is still in production though..
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Quick post to address the change, since a very small minority of people are confused.

The Kit and Tab banter thread was allowed under the assumption that it was there for general kit and tab related chat. We found that it was being used as a secondary banter which isn't fair since we've locked other people's threads in different areas so we changed the K&T Banter thread to quick questions and are asking that if you want to participate in off topic chat then try posting in banter. Though this doesn't mean we're going to be uber strict and not allow conversations to develop like they naturally do but we're just trying to organise the place a bit.

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something else to consider is a 12AZ7

apparently they're quite similar to a 12AT7, but have a different clipping characteristic .... not even sure if this tube is still in production though..
I'll have a look around. I think there's a few similar to 12AT7's and 12AU7's, but with wierd codes like 12AV7 or 12AB7. I'm also trying to figure out the letters AFTER the code, but it seems to be brand specific, and are in relation to how good the sound is. Like i think one is something like 12AX7L where the L stands for low noise or something.
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I'll have a look around. I think there's a few similar to 12AT7's and 12AU7's, but with wierd codes like 12AV7 or 12AB7. I'm also trying to figure out the letters AFTER the code, but it seems to be brand specific, and are in relation to how good the sound is. Like i think one is something like 12AX7L where the L stands for low noise or something.
You also have 12AX7WA for example (which can be found on either current production sovteks, or NOS american made tubes)

also, look for ECC81, ECC82, and ECC83 tubes... they are the same as 12AT7, 12AU7, and 12AX7. Different names.

There are also ones like .. E83CC for example. If you see a name like that, it's generally a high grade ECC83/12AX7.

Oh, and maybe a 5751 might be something to look into?...it's supposedly got the same amount of gain as the 12AT7.
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with most of the tube supply sites, if you search for like 12AU7, it'll also display the euro code, like ECC81 or whatever.

The only issue with getting the higher grade ones, is they're a lot more expensive. I came across a tube earlier for 700! :lol:

james do you know what the miniature/subminiature equiv of a 12AT7 (and/or) a 12AU7 is? google has failed me.
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with most of the tube supply sites, if you search for like 12AU7, it'll also display the euro code, like ECC81 or whatever.

The only issue with getting the higher grade ones, is they're a lot more expensive. I came across a tube earlier for 700! :lol:

james do you know what the miniature/subminiature equiv of a 12AT7 (and/or) a 12AU7 is? google has failed me.
700?!

You can also get them 'graded' for high gain or low microphonics. As well as balanced triodes - it generally costs a few extra pounds, but not 700 haha. That must have been some NOS thing.

I'm not sure what you mean by subminiature?
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