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Old 07-04-2018, 09:46 AM   #7921
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Oh yeah, I find that bit dead boring as well, forgot

Think itís because the melody/wording repeats itself so much for those 2 parts.
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Old 09-10-2018, 06:16 PM   #7922
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The Zepp show was a mistake.
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Old 09-10-2018, 07:29 PM   #7923
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The Zepp show was a mistake.
Maybe for the ones who didn't attend it, yes. Because we still and never will get proper footage. Because...since then we want rarities and know they can play them?
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Old 09-10-2018, 08:55 PM   #7924
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It further alienated fans that were already getting frustrated with the band refusing to play older songs, let alone rarities, giving them a glimpse through crappy cell phone footage of the band doing exactly what they've wanted them to do, while giving them no hope of seeing any of it for themselves.
Basically, for no reason and with no warning, they put on the show that was the "hardcore" fans' wet dream and then persistently refused to play even a couple (or one, for the most part) of those songs outside some random ass gig.

Then they promised to release video footage, which may have been better than nothing... and then didn't.
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:24 PM   #7925
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That was my clickbait title but it had nothing to do with the footage and actually blaming a single show is dumb but here we go.

In the years building up to the show, starting with the 2011 festivals and Moscow/Ukraine shows, Muse were starting to get the hang of combining "new Muse" with the fan favorites. Some deepish cuts thrown in and good rotations like the famed piano section in the 2nd Law arena tour. Stadiums for that tour also saw some great variety of music. Even with some odd choices it seemed both the inner and casual fans were leaving happy.

Now I could pin this back to 2013's SBE with Dead Star but Dead Star made its way to the stadiums a few times. Zepp though was the big turning point. They played a show that at the time was hard to believe could ever happen. A small intimate show for the fans with all the deep cuts in stark contrast to the standard shows at Summer Sonic, and everyone loved it including the band.

Since then things have changed. Instead of every show being a balance of pleasing the range of fans we get "special" shows for the biggest fanatics and the rest are made standard to please the average goer. Notice we don't even really have the "second night syndrome" to the level it was on T2L. It's just "a few very special shows" syndrome where all the non-standard stuff is concentrated.

There's now a really big inequality with all the big fans holding out for small venue shows and little care for the big ones. And the band's comments on the upcoming tour hint that they're only going to carry on with that divide.

I said it's dumb to blame Zepp because there could be plenty of other reasons behind this but on a timeline I consider that the turning point.
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:38 PM   #7926
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But hey, they're going to have actors and dancers to distract us from how bored the band looks!
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Old 09-10-2018, 09:46 PM   #7927
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There's now a really big inequality with all the big fans holding out for small venue shows and little care for the big ones. And the band's comments on the upcoming tour hint that they're only going to carry on with that divide.
My controversial opinion is that Iím very ok with this
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I'm not. They've done this in Japan, UK, US, France, and Germany. Even if you consider bordering countries that's still a lot of the world that will basically get fuck all. The amount of fans that actually get to ponder that option at all is small.
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Old 09-10-2018, 11:10 PM   #7929
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Ok so hereís my thought process:

Specifically, what Iím super ok with is the set divide between these big and small shows. The worldwide spread of them could defo be better, no doubt, obvs Iím just v lucky with where I live. Tbh I genuinely often think about how shite Iíd feel if I just happened to be born further away and couldnít go to any of these types of shows.

BUT, sticking strictly to the sets, I think itís best to keep the majority of rarities to these small shows. As someone whoís been lucky enough to experience some rarities at big shows and little shows, the vibe is miles better in the latter. Theyíre hard to get into and obvs a v limited % of fans make it, but itís worth it to preserve that imo. Itís not like itís totally killed off the odd rarity or two at bigger shows yet either, I know itís only in Europe and ideally that wouldnít be the case but Assassin, CE, Bliss, AP, Sunburn and Butterflies were still popping up during the arena tour, maybe just as often as (if not more than) they were on past tours. Iíd also more than wager that, even with how things were going by 2013/14, we never wouldíve seen the really deep stuff like Futurism, Easily, Glorious or Eternally Missed if these types of gigs werenít on the cards and, whether you witness them in person or not, youíve gotta appreciate their happening.

The thing we all used to moan about so much was the lack of consistency across Muse gigs as well. Was the next one gonna suddenly have RBS over Feeling Good etc.? Ya never knew. Now we have this pretty clear divide and mission statement of: if youíre looking for rarities, small shows or what you want, any at bigger shows are just a nice surprise. I genuinely find that kinda handy tbh, itís a better safety net for disappointment (set-wise at least) than we ever used to have imo.

So basically, tl;dr: I honestly donít think the approach to arena gigs is much different now to years past (rarities in moderate rotation in most places, US unfortunately left out) and now we actually have these, granted, super limited but rarity packed shows usually full of hardcores popping up alongside and bringing back songs that probs never wouldíve seen the light of day again otherwise.
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If they're not going to make even a reasonable attempt at making those small shows accessible to a decent amount of fans, they absolutely should put a couple "hardcore" pleasers into the arena/stadium sets. There's just no reason not to. A crowd of radio listeners isn't going to storm out in anger because they spent 4 minutes not knowing a song. How many people do we reckon actually knew The Globalist, btw? Seeing as it wasn't a single, and wasn't even available on stuff like Spotify without a premium account. They weren't shy about playing that 10+ minute monstrosity.
Anyways, plenty of other bands play a song or two for their old school crowd, and it seems to work out pretty well for them.
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Old 10-10-2018, 12:16 AM   #7931
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They do still do that though, thatís part of what I said.
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It's not all the deepest cuts but there were nice songs being played somewhat regularly. Sunburn was showing up often in last tour's arena shows, even the US. The sets were also longer, more structured around the band instead of the stage.

I'm not opposed to small shows. They are a great chance to play the rarest songs and the crowd will definitely appreciate them more. What I'm opposed to is how it's opened up the mindset of putting all the fan-serving show elements into these special shows (small venues, special festivals, etc.) and leaving the rest entirely. I cited SBE 2013 and I could add something like Casino de Paris 2010 and E-Werk 2012 as examples when special fan shows happened without said mindset. Hell, the shows leading up to Reading/Leeds 2011 were fantastic. There was clearly a superior show where they played Origin, but as standard shows the others weren't a disappointment except in length.

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Ya never knew. Now we have this pretty clear divide and mission statement of: if you’re looking for rarities, small shows or what you want, any at bigger shows are just a nice surprise.
And see, this still ignores the entire conclusion I drew from the original post. This is the situation for you. You live in an area where you have access to both these kinds of shows. This isn't entirely personal envy either. I'm in the US, which was the only country out of the UK to get Psycho Tour dates, and they have shown at least some intention to come back. I'm also financially well off to travel around the country bar unfortunate circumstances. I'm in the lower end of this privileged group, but still part of it nonetheless.

If you live in Australia, or far Eastern Europe, or even Asia (Zepp was 5 years ago and there was never another of its kind), the missions statement completely excludes you as a fan even though it would be easy for the band to still work on making their overall shows good in addition to the special ones. The early Drones festivals were good examples.

The small shows also don't get nearly the kind of advanced notice the main tour does.
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Old 10-10-2018, 11:56 AM   #7934
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It's not all the deepest cuts but there were nice songs being played somewhat regularly. Sunburn was showing up often in last tour's arena shows, even the US. The sets were also longer, more structured around the band instead of the stage.

I'm not opposed to small shows. They are a great chance to play the rarest songs and the crowd will definitely appreciate them more. What I'm opposed to is how it's opened up the mindset of putting all the fan-serving show elements into these special shows (small venues, special festivals, etc.) and leaving the rest entirely. I cited SBE 2013 and I could add something like Casino de Paris 2010 and E-Werk 2012 as examples when special fan shows happened without said mindset. Hell, the shows leading up to Reading/Leeds 2011 were fantastic. There was clearly a superior show where they played Origin, but as standard shows the others weren't a disappointment except in length.
The sets being longer and production structure is more to do with the Drones tour itself than the introduction of small shows though tbf. And, like I said, I don’t think they are leaving the rest tbh, are they? Sunburn was a bit of an outlier on the T2L arena tour, being played a weirdly high amount (32x) but, other than that, your next best deeper fan favourites were Bliss (17x), Agitated (12x), Falling Down (9x) and B&H (5x). The Drones WT got off to a stinker in the US, I know, but during the second half you had TAB (35x), CE (26x), AP (24x) and Bliss (22x). We even saw Showbiz knock around a fair bit after it came back at SBE.

They went through some stints of really good form between 2011-2015 but, generally, are things not the same as they’ve pretty much always been w/ the arenas? A small handful of older fan favourites being rotated in/out, maybe 2 at any given gig, with the US generally being neglected.

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And see, this still ignores the entire conclusion I drew from the original post. This is the situation for you. You live in an area where you have access to both these kinds of shows. This isn't entirely personal envy either. I'm in the US, which was the only country out of the UK to get Psycho Tour dates, and they have shown at least some intention to come back. I'm also financially well off to travel around the country bar unfortunate circumstances. I'm in the lower end of this privileged group, but still part of it nonetheless.

If you live in Australia, or far Eastern Europe, or even Asia (Zepp was 5 years ago and there was never another of its kind), the missions statement completely excludes you as a fan even though it would be easy for the band to still work on making their overall shows good in addition to the special ones. The early Drones festivals were good examples.

The small shows also don't get nearly the kind of advanced notice the main tour does.
I know, I acknowledged this multiple times the relatively limited places that’ve received this treatment is a shame, not arguing that at all. We’d all love to see them take it wider. All I’m saying is the base theory behind these small shows and the divide between small/big shows as it is, I’m pretty fine with.

Relatively speaking, I’ve only been to 2 small shows so far (3 now with RAH I guess, if that’s small enough to count?) so I’ve missed out on a fair amount more than I’ve seen. I’m still glad they’re happening though, y’know?
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