Muse Write Official Song For the Olympics

[dreamyana]

Originally Posted by Electricmuser96

So if Matt released a track on TSL that was just him literally farting into a microphone for 17 minutes with a loop of him laughing hysterically and saying 'Problem?', you'd definitely love it without a doubt? Srs queshun bro

ABSOLUTELY, hahahaah

But seriously it's a matter of faith I guess. I believe in them cause so far they didn't disappoint me so I really think I will love anything they'll do. And I believe it won't be farting for 17 minutes
Maybe it is childlish and insane that I love everything they did (apart form Who knows who...) but it is how I feel about them and there's nothing to be changed. No one need to understand or like this. It's just my opinion, my thoughts.

[nuffingman]

Just heard this for the first time. Total shite! If I want to listen to a Queen tribute band I can find one.

[Snake Bonzai]

Dreamyana, I completely understand what you are talking about.
It comes down to a question of what level you resonate with an artist, and how you appreciate art.

When you feel that you resonate with an artist at a certain level, you can appreciate work of theirs that you wouldn't have had it been created by someone else. Seems illogical? Perhaps, but it isn't.
I think this is most common when you're dealing with very versatile artists, like in this case - Muse (don't argue that Matthew Bellamy is not adventurous when it comes to incorporating new styles into his music).
It might sound strange but I think you can enjoy art not because an artist has done it, but because that artist could do it.

Personally I can enjoy songs for several reasons that's not limited to the music; It's created with struggle for perfection, it's complex but still accessible, and most importantly - a genuine piece of art outside of the artist's natural realm (i.e. a different genre). This isn't a better way to view art, but it can be seen as more scientific.

I know there are a few songs by my favourite band(s) I wouldn't have liked had they been made by somebody else. Thing is, I just love seeing (hearing) them experimenting with things they aren't expected to, and I can enjoy a "sloppier" song as a fun experiment.

In my opinion adventurous and experimental artists that do what's in the best interest of themselves are the true cultural heroes. We should just be glad Matthew Bellamy is not a shallow radio-friendly pop icon spewing out soulless garbage.

[Jobby]

Originally Posted by Snake Bonzai

We should just be glad Matthew Bellamy is not a shallow radio-friendly pop icon spewing out soulless garbage.

But that's exactly what NSC and Guiding Light are.

[Ryoma-kun]

Originally Posted by Electricmuser96

But that's exactly what NSC and Guiding Light are.

Except that it isn't even radio-friendly. Just soulless garbage.

[CarrieB]

Originally Posted by Ryoma-kun

Except that it isn't even radio-friendly. Just soulless garbage.

They are not soulless garbage. Does anyone actually take any notice of what the songs are about? NSC was written about the sadness after a broken relationship and Guiding Light appears to be about a relationship going wrong. How can that be soulless? I don't much like Guiding Light because of the style of the song but even Guiding Light appears to be an attempt to express real stuff that means something and I can identify with the lyrics. I like NSC because the sentiment is reflected in the music.

It's fair enough not to like the songs for whatever reason, because you don't like the musical style or you think the lyrics are cheesy and unoriginal, but I think calling the songs soulless garbage takes it a bit too far.

[dreamyana]

Originally Posted by Electricmuser96

But that's exactly what NSC and Guiding Light are.

In your humble opinion.

Originally Posted by CarrieB

It's fair enough not to like the songs for whatever reason, because you don't like the musical style or you think the lyrics are cheesy and unoriginal, but I think calling the songs soulless garbage takes it a bit too far.

^THIS! Very much agree.

Originally Posted by Snake Bonzai

Dreamyana, I completely understand what you are talking about.
It comes down to a question of what level you resonate with an artist, and how you appreciate art.

When you feel that you resonate with an artist at a certain level, you can appreciate work of theirs that you wouldn't have had it been created by someone else. Seems illogical? Perhaps, but it isn't.
I think this is most common when you're dealing with very versatile artists, like in this case - Muse (don't argue that Matthew Bellamy is not adventurous when it comes to incorporating new styles into his music).
It might sound strange but I think you can enjoy art not because an artist has done it, but because that artist could do it.

Personally I can enjoy songs for several reasons that's not limited to the music; It's created with struggle for perfection, it's complex but still accessible, and most importantly - a genuine piece of art outside of the artist's natural realm (i.e. a different genre). This isn't a better way to view art, but it can be seen as more scientific.

I know there are a few songs by my favourite band(s) I wouldn't have liked had they been made by somebody else. Thing is, I just love seeing (hearing) them experimenting with things they aren't expected to, and I can enjoy a "sloppier" song as a fun experiment.

In my opinion adventurous and experimental artists that do what's in the best interest of themselves are the true cultural heroes. We should just be glad Matthew Bellamy is not a shallow radio-friendly pop icon spewing out soulless garbage.

Your point here is really interesting. I mean I never really think about it that way but it all makes sense. But I'm still not sure how it works in my case.

I think that maybe Muse has similar sensibility to art. I see the art and music in "their way". They create songs which touch me. It seems like they create songs which describes my own sensibility to the world and art in general. When I started to listen to them it was all very new to me. At first they seemed very weird and extraordinary to me, too extreme even and I really didn't fall in love instantly. It came with the passage of time. And it surprised me because this is the first time when everything they created touched me. First time it was the whole album and not one song that I liked. Every song of theirs means something to me. I'm still aware it sound silly but it really feels that way. It feels like I founf my soul mates just because I feel this strong connection to what they do/create.

And I'd really love to highlight the facet that what I love the most about them is that they are not afraid of experiments. I love that their albums are different. I can understand that for some people they have become worse - it natural thing, everyone has their own taste in art/music and everything else. I just don't like when people are trying to prove everyone who thinks differently that they're wrong. Perfection and good music is a relative concept. Everyone can have their own view on that and people should tolerate that.

[Oh Hannah]

I think your views on muse and their music are pretty much the same as mine ^

[bumpypotato]

Originally Posted by Ryoma-kun

Except that it isn't even radio-friendly. Just soulless garbage.

They're not great, sure, but just because you don't like them doesn't make them soulless garbage.

[dreamyana]

Originally Posted by bumpypotato

They're not great, sure, but just because you don't like them doesn't make them soulless garbage.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by HannahG123

I think your views on muse and their music are pretty much the same as mine ^

Glad to hear it

[Jobby]

They are pretty soulless. In other songs it's quite clear when an artist is putting some real emotion into it. Guiding Light in particular just feels fake, like Matt is trying to sound emotional (because the song is supposed to be) and failing, meaning the songs lacks any real emotion or soul.

[bumpypotato]

Originally Posted by Electricmuser96

They are pretty soulless. In other songs it's quite clear when an artist is putting some real emotion into it. Guiding Light in particular just feels fake, like Matt is trying to sound emotional (because the song is supposed to be) and failing, meaning the songs lacks any real emotion or soul.

This argument is stupid anyway.

[Snake Bonzai]

When I said Matthew Bellamy doesn't write soulless garbage, I didn't mean every song he's written contains a message, because it doesn't. There is more to music than lyrics (which may be cheesy), and I believe he genuinely cares about his work as a composer. I wouldn't believe anyone that tells me Bellamy doesn't care about pieces like USoE or Exogenesis: Symphony and that he hasn't put his entire soul into it, that's an insult.

Meanwhile, some songs are just going to be written for fun (Plug in Baby?), but that can also be the beauty of it if you see where I am going with my previous post.

I'd like you to take a listen to for example Nicki Minaj and tell me she sings anything that has been written with care about anything other than how much of a money boost it's gonna be. That's my definition of a soulless artist.

This is all about the writing aspect, but don't forget that there is a different kind of emotion in music - the one that the listener feels, and frankly, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[Snake Bonzai]

Originally Posted by Snake Bonzai

In my opinion adventurous and experimental artists that do what's in the best interest of themselves are the true cultural heroes. We should just be glad Matthew Bellamy is not a shallow radio-friendly pop icon spewing out soulless garbage.

What I was trying to say with this is that a composer that doesn't follow the current trends, or what old conservative fans (i.e. musers who religiously hate anything after Absolution) want, show that they go their own way regardless. If you follow your own ideas, chances are you'll put more work into what you do, and those artists tend to write more thoughtful, soulful music.

[CarrieB]

Originally Posted by Snake Bonzai

When I said Matthew Bellamy doesn't write soulless garbage, I didn't mean every song he's written contains a message, because it doesn't. There is more to music than lyrics (which may be cheesy), and I believe he genuinely cares about his work as a composer. I wouldn't believe anyone that tells me Bellamy doesn't care about pieces like USoE or Exogenesis: Symphony and that he hasn't put his entire soul into it, that's an insult.

Meanwhile, some songs are just going to be written for fun (Plug in Baby?), but that can also be the beauty of it if you see where I am going with my previous post.

I'd like you to take a listen to for example Nicki Minaj and tell me she sings anything that has been written with care about anything other than how much of a money boost it's gonna be. That's my definition of a soulless artist.

This is all about the writing aspect, but don't forget that there is a different kind of emotion in music - the one that the listener feels, and frankly, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I agree with you. It certainly is not just about the lyrics. The music definitely often carries meaning all on its own.

Guiding Light is probably out on its own because, for some reason or other, the music and the lyrics are at odds with each other.

But on NSC the piano and melody are beautiful and, if the lyrics are unsophisticated in parts, that for me is part of its charm. I mean does anyone expect that when Matt speaks from the heart it comes out like Shakespeare? I certainly get the sentiment of the lyrics and of the music.