New Album Artwork

[CarrieB]

Originally Posted by Kati

Er, I think in those tests from which the sound file is from, there is a short collision of the lead ions, but they cannot sustain a continous collision, so that's why the sounds die off. That's not about entropy at all (well except that the tests take a lot of energy, which in turn causes heat emissions and entropy increase, but there is nothing specific in this experiment). In general I don't think the album theme has anything to do with the particle collision tests, this work has been going on in CERN etc for decades, it's about looking for certain particles predicted by theories on different forces between particles... Really I don't see it has anything to do with environmental problems on Earth, or even with energy availability considerations.

Well I tried to understand Higgs Boson for myself but it is beyond me. So hopefully a simple question, do you know what the connection is between the tour artwork and the same picture being included in the article posted by Hyper about the Hadron collider, if it has nothing to do with the Hadron collider?

It may have already been posted but I'm a bit lost!

[Kati]

Originally Posted by CarrieB

Well I tried to understand Higgs Boson for myself but it is beyond me. So hopefully a simple question, do you know what the connection is between the tour artwork and the same picture being included in the article posted by Hyper about the Hadron collider, if it has nothing to do with the Hadron collider?

I have no idea what could be the connection. Nice picture? No, I don't know particle physics much at all, so I can't really be sure Higgs boson has nothing to do with the entropy considerations, but I also can't see a clear connection. Is there anyone here more interested in the particle physics?

So I googled a bit... The picture comes from CERN Atlas experiment, as stated in the Daily Mail pic, and this is the picture text found on the Atlas web site, atlas.ch.

Simulated production of a black hole in ATLAS. This track is an example of simulated data modelled for the ATLAS detector on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN, which will begin taking data in late 2009/2010. These tracks would be produced if a miniature black hole was created in the proton-proton collision. Such a small black hole would decay instantly to various particles via a process known as Hawking radiation.

My understanding of that approaches zero... This was quite funny explanation of the particle physics: http://www.atlas.ch/etours_physics/index.html, see slide 10

Originally Posted by Luxemburger Queen

Why don't you make a "video discussion thread" instead. That way you can discuss the videos of the upcoming singles as well.

I guess that's a good idea, but there doesn't seem to be interest anymore for the trailer video. Maybe do one when we get a video for the first single?

[Niall]

It's basically an image mapping two protons colliding and those lines trace the paths of the particles resulting from it, including what could be a Higg's boson decaying, the means through which such a particle could be detected. You can't detect a Higg's directly but you can detect the particles that would result from it and deduce that they would have to come from a Higg's boson.

I guess the connection is that when a particle decays entropy increases, but no, it's not really relevant. I think it's more likely just a cool, physicsy picture that might result from google image searching entropy or something, but I don't know.

[CarrieB]

Originally Posted by Niall

It's basically an image mapping two protons colliding and those lines trace the paths of the particles resulting from it, including what could be a Higg's boson decaying, the means through which such a particle could be detected. You can't detect a Higg's directly but you can detect the particles that would result from it and deduce that they would have to come from a Higg's boson.

I guess the connection is that when a particle decays entropy increases, but no, it's not really relevant. I think it's more likely just a cool, physicsy picture that might result from google image searching entropy or something, but I don't know.

Thanks Niall, I think that makes sense to me.

[Niall]

Probably would have helped to explain that when protons collide (hence, large hadron collider) they basically break apart into lots of other particles (the mass of these particles summed together is equal to the energy of the collision, by Einstein's equation equating mass with energy), including potentially the Higg's boson, which decay on their own and break up into lots of other particles. This picture maps the paths of the particles coming out of the collision.

[Hyper]

Originally Posted by CarrieB

Unless it explains the long haul and predicts that after a spurt of energy everything eventually settles into nothing.

you are right about that. The universe is nothing and everything at the same time. if you are interested, check out this lecture on "Universe of Nothing" by famous physician Lawrence Krauss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

Originally Posted by Kati

I have no idea what could be the connection. Nice picture? No, I don't know particle physics much at all, so I can't really be sure Higgs boson has nothing to do with the entropy considerations, but I also can't see a clear connection. Is there anyone here more interested in the particle physics?

Matt is. OOS was partly inspired/based on the book "The Elegant Universe" and I have read it. It explains on a very popular level the particle physics and the strings theory. So if I had to make a connection it would be:
universe - 2nd law (physics) - economy

Also, the whole theme of "We are the universe" ( which was used on the last tour) is related to that stream of thinking. There is a theory: people observing the laws of nature and making experiments can interfere with the nature. "Observing ourselves, destroying ourselves". Sort of like the "butterfly effect" by Bradbury. Also used in "Butterflies and Hurricanes" theme. There is a whole controversy about LHC experiments affecting normal development of our environment, weather, etc.

[Hyper]

Do we know who did the yellow artwork for Survival? Is it generic for the Olympcs? Also, I think the font for the title reminds me of the sketchy images in the video. IOC Media ??? Any thoughts???

[Killer Rabbit]

Originally Posted by Hyper

the images on the new album/tour dates pages is taken from here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete....html?ITO=1490


generated by LHC data

Joy Division already (sorta) did it!

[FabriPav]

Originally Posted by Hyper

Do we know who did the yellow artwork for Survival? Is it generic for the Olympcs? Also, I think the font for the title reminds me of the sketchy images in the video. IOC Media ??? Any thoughts???

It's probably Olympics generic, yeah