Matts rhythm tone

[MattMuse1991]

Fair point. Although I'm sure you could easily get a similar Diezel vh4 sound with a hi-gain amp model. I think the sounds from guitar rig are awesome and I've been Impressed by them as they do sound very realistic but the more you turn the master output volume up the more they start to sound fake, some worse than others, just like any digital modeller out there right now.

[james90]

Originally Posted by Tom!

I wouldn't go off the tones in Guitar Rig simply because there isn't a VH4 sim to mix them with. I've never really liked the amp sims in Guitar Rig anyway.

Not that I've tried guitar rig, but I wouldn't go by that anyway - we don't know what settings Matt is using exactly (he might change them from time to time), the speaker cabinets, how he has the amps mic'd/what mics he's using, what else is being done to them after that, how the amps are blended exactly, etc

I can't tell what's being used for HAARP (it really doesn't sound like the diezel at all, though) but the 2010 era tone sounds a lot heavier. The diezel is a very tight and punchy amp with a massive low end, so I think he's been using more of that recently and blending the AC30 in somehow. The diezel on its own doesn't sound exactly like that...the highs are different.

But I'm not sure...he also has that egnater/randall setup, but I don't know if that gets used live. It's in the rack though.



I sold my VH4 a few years ago (really wasn't worth keeping as I only used channel 3 ) but I have an AC30 style amp and an amp that has a similar overall voicing to the VH4 (not as much low end though). I'll try to make a clip of these two together...should be interesting

[MattMuse1991]

Originally Posted by james90

Not that I've tried guitar rig, but I wouldn't go by that anyway - we don't know what settings Matt is using exactly (he might change them from time to time), the speaker cabinets, how he has the amps mic'd/what mics he's using, what else is being done to them after that, how the amps are blended exactly, etc

I can't tell what's being used for HAARP (it really doesn't sound like the diezel at all, though) but the 2010 era tone sounds a lot heavier. The diezel is a very tight and punchy amp with a massive low end, so I think he's been using more of that recently and blending the AC30 in somehow. The diezel on its own doesn't sound exactly like that...the highs are different.

But I'm not sure...he also has that egnater/randall setup, but I don't know if that gets used live. It's in the rack though.



I sold my VH4 a few years ago (really wasn't worth keeping as I only used channel 3 ) but I have an AC30 style amp and an amp that has a similar overall voicing to the VH4 (not as much low end though). I'll try to make a clip of these two together...should be interesting

Guitar Rig In Itself Is just fun for experimenting with digital modelling and competing with your friends trying to nail all them tones by your favourite players plus Instead of buying expensive amps, you can get a reasonably good simulation, make your own presets and you have a lot of choice, that's why I like It...I have a couple of Muse presets with some cool effects.

I agree about the 2010 era setup, It does sound chunkier and better (although some prefer his old sound before he had his mansons) Not only do Muse get better, but Matt's tone appears to aswell.You could take a guitarist out of a metal band and replace them with Matt and his tone would still work. Haarp to me sounds kinda like an AC30 with a boost pedal for some songs but for the heavier stuff I haven't a clue (hated the KOC tone don't know what he was using but It sucked on the CD, sounded scooped.)

I used to think Brian May's tone was Impossible to get but compared to Matt's, It's easy and a budget setup, unlike Matts. He has actually said BM is an Influence on him and you can see It In some of the things he does and to some extent, their tone Is similar except the key to Brian's sound Is In the playing, It's more the equipment for Matts.

We just don't know enough about his setup, like you said. I'm sure we will find out more In years to come but there's not enough Information and It's far from a cheap rig.

[Bs]

Does anyone want to explain to me, or link me to a video showing, what's so amazing about the VH4? I know it's got a great reputation, and I probably should have taken my chance to play it when I was at Mansons, but from checking a few videos online, I haven't really been bowled over by it in the way that everyone talking about suggests I should.

[Flump]

Originally Posted by Bs

Does anyone want to explain to me, or link me to a video showing, what's so amazing about the VH4? I know it's got a great reputation, and I probably should have taken my chance to play it when I was at Mansons, but from checking a few videos online, I haven't really been bowled over by it in the way that everyone talking about suggests I should.

It's definitely not everyone's cup of tea, and in my opinion you can get really close to it for a lot less money.

Also, an AC30 is in no way similarly voiced to a VH4. Not even close.

I like the sound of channel 3 a lot for its drier sounding distortion. If you listen to anything off of 10,000 days by Tool you can get a great idea of what the VH4 sounds like. Adam Jones has mixed a VH4, recto, and marshall superbass together on albums, but on 10,000 days it sounds like mostly vh4. For example on this video of the pot go to about 30 seconds in and when the guitar comes in that is basically the sound of the VH4.

[Impulse 101]

I have to be honest, I've never heard a Vox sound like Matt's primary rhythm tone in person. Something is adding in a lot more drive and while the Vox probably an element the VH4 and Marshall are a big part of the riffing tone on most of the clips in this thread.

I can get pretty close to Matt's tone with my VHT (Fryette) D120. It's really a matter of making the midrange grind without too much front end gain. The natural tube compression of slapping a tube amp silly at V1 is a big part of his tone and is essential to getting the feel of his guitar parts for performing them.

JT

[Dave.]

Imo one of the way mains to get close to Matts tone is compression. Lots of compression.

[haze015]

Originally Posted by Flump

It's definitely not everyone's cup of tea, and in my opinion you can get really close to it for a lot less money.

Also, an AC30 is in no way similarly voiced to a VH4. Not even close.

I like the sound of channel 3 a lot for its drier sounding distortion. If you listen to anything off of 10,000 days by Tool you can get a great idea of what the VH4 sounds like. Adam Jones has mixed a VH4, recto, and marshall superbass together on albums, but on 10,000 days it sounds like mostly vh4. For example on this video of the pot go to about 30 seconds in and when the guitar comes in that is basically the sound of the VH4.

Always sounded like Adam Jones has always blended the Super Bass & VH4 together to me. Every demo of the VH4 I've heard doesn't have the clarity/crunch he has in his sound, which has to come from the Super Bass.

I don't think the VH4 is all that special, could easily get a Mesa Single/Dual Rec and get a similar sound, managed to get 46 & 2 pretty much spot on with a Tele a Single Rec!