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Old 19-04-2014, 12:34 PM   #61
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Also lol at how a petition backed by huge news sites is anything even remotely close to "friendly".
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Old 19-04-2014, 12:40 PM   #62
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Not as bad as this dumb way of arguing.
It's simple wording to get through thick skulls, but obviously it's not working.

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Also lol at how a petition backed by huge news sites is anything even remotely close to "friendly".
Why not? They're just bringing attention to a petition that in itself is worded in a very friendly way, as mentioned before. I'm almost certain that your fake outrage here is because the petition has gone into the mainstream, and you're still a dirty hipster.
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Old 19-04-2014, 12:46 PM   #63
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Old 19-04-2014, 12:50 PM   #64
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Old 19-04-2014, 12:50 PM   #65
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Old 19-04-2014, 01:52 PM   #66
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You're awfully harsh for someone who doesn't even know what the petition is about. Read it and you might find out that there it doesn't actually state that it would have to be a club tour, or even a club gig.

Maybe it's a good idea for you to read things in the future, before slagging them off.
My first post was more generally referring to the outcry over no anniversary tour than over the petition itself, and I maintain that it was foolish to expect that one of the largest bands in the UK would be able to logistically pull off a small club tour in their home country without insane scalping, but whatever, that's not relevant anymore and I'm hardly an expert in tour management.

You're right, I should've read the petition before slagging it off, but after doing so, my opinion on it has not changed in the slightest. For me it seems to have the same level of maturity as making a thread asking for gigs in Turkey or wherever, and a petition on Change.org feels just feels like the wrong medium to me. Again I say "whatever". If you think it's an important cause to call Muse out on all their "bullshit", go right ahead and if you think that this is the way to do so, so be it. That doesn't mean I have to agree. And for the record, Fabri disagreeing with the use of a petition doesn't equate to him "switching sides". This doesn't make any sense.

Muse don't owe us a thing. If you don't like the product they're selling that's just tough luck for you, and you should take your money and time elsewhere, instead of complaining that you were somehow cheated.

And @Dee: Is it possible for you to argue/debate/discuss/etc without sounding like you got your cock stuck in a rose bush?
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Old 19-04-2014, 02:07 PM   #67
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And @Dee: Is it possible for you to argue/debate/discuss/etc without sounding like you got your cock stuck in a rose bush?
Yes.

But I don't believe in tip-toeing around. If I think you're stupid, I'll tell you precisely that.
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Old 19-04-2014, 02:13 PM   #68
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Yes.

But I don't believe in tip-toeing around. If I think you're stupid, I'll tell you precisely that.
But you seem to think anyone with an opinion that varies from yours is stupid by definition.
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Old 19-04-2014, 02:14 PM   #69
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But you seem to think anyone with an opinion that varies from yours is stupid by definition.
Not at all.
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Old 19-04-2014, 02:32 PM   #70
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Well this escalated quickly.

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If you don't agree with the way this is being done: fuck you, you're dumb.
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What utter horseshit.

How the does petitioning equate to entitlement? I don't feel Muse own me anything, but I am supportive of an anniversary show, hence I signed.
Petitions have a historical background as being used as vehicles for change and root-level activism. Granted, the internet era has turned them into mostly completely useless tools for people's illusions of active participation for whatever topic might cross their minds at the moment, whether crying over the cancellation of Heroes or supporting "Invisible Children" after seeing a short Youtube video on a complex topic; it's just so easy to click an agreement and think you're making a difference. However, signing a petition with your own name still means taking a stand for something, and using a platform meant for real life issues just highlights the disparity between what is important and what is not. And yes, I do know other people use the site for similarly frivolous campaigns, but that just shows they lack perspective as well.
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Old 19-04-2014, 02:42 PM   #71
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So let me get this right, when someone lunched a poll to select the songs we fans would love they played live nowdays (and I remember back then everyone talking about 20th anniversary gigs as a possible scenario to do it), trying somehow influence them to play those songs, that's totally ok. But asking about a especial gig it self for their 20th anniversary is muse fans and their sense of entitlement...

Logic, go get f*cked
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Old 19-04-2014, 03:44 PM   #72
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Muse don't owe us a thing. If you don't like the product they're selling that's just tough luck for you, and you should take your money and time elsewhere, instead of complaining that you were somehow cheated.
Good thing that's not what anyone is talking about then.
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Old 19-04-2014, 04:59 PM   #73
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Old 19-04-2014, 05:32 PM   #74
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So is the idea here that the band will see the petition and realise that the fans were looking forward to this, making them want to do it for the fans? My understanding of petitions is that you use them to basically force people to take action on some matter for PR reasons basically. If it's to force them to do it I'm not sure what the point is.

I don't really have strong feelings about this, but I don't think the band would pay any attention to an internet petition personally.
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So many people against this petition, if they announced the gig (which I'm sure they won't) would you go to the gig?

Because if you say yes then you're an hypocrite
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