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arj225 21-02-2013 06:48 PM

Playing Unsustainable
 
Hi guys, new around here and don't know if this has been asked before, but what it Matt actually playing during live versions of Unsustainable. I know the guitar tech is doing the whammy, but what is he hitting? Any answers much appreciated, Arjun

Dominic. 21-02-2013 06:51 PM

TIME TO SHINE

Dominic. 21-02-2013 06:53 PM

It would be if I could find my post with an alrightish Unsustainable tab and MIDI file. James you have leet searching skills. Help pls

james90 21-02-2013 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic. (Post 9997960)
Well, this is what I play which for the most part seems accurate. At least going by the making of video (a couple of bits seem different live but it's the same note). Highlighted the main bits I'm unsure of in yellow, but they still sound ok

e--------------------------|-----------------------------|-----------------------|-------------------------------------------------
B-------------------------|------------------------------|-----------------------|-------------------------------------------------
G-------------------------|-----------------------------|------------------------|-------------------------------------------------
D-------------------------|------------------------------|-----------------------|-------------------------------------------------
A--12----------13-------|-0------0---12*------------|--12--------13-------|-13-13b-13b--13b-13b-13b--13b-13b--
E-------------------------|-------------------------------|-----------------------|-------------------------------------------------

e---------------------------------0-------0------------------------------------------------------------------
B--------------------------------0--------0------------------------------------------------------------------
G--------------------------------0--------0-----------------------------------------------------------------
D-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A--10*------------13--|--12------12-------|--12--------------13--|--12-12-12-12-12-12-12-12---
E--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I can't do the whole strumming behind the nut thing on my guitar so yeah. That's what works with my MIDI file


I play it different from that, but then I'm not using the same MIDI file

Dominic. 21-02-2013 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james90 (Post 10007066)
I play it different from that, but then I'm not using the same MIDI file

But I made it just for you :(

Dominic. 21-02-2013 07:57 PM

For anyone interested just did a full cover of it, only on my phone though so sounds a bit shit. One day I'll get a new audio interface


arj225 21-02-2013 10:24 PM

Thanks, I'll give that tab a go tomorrow. I assume that's with the detune set to -1 and the whammy to +1. Also, whats the midi file you are using?

Dominic. 21-02-2013 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arj225 (Post 10007250)
Thanks, I'll give that tab a go tomorrow. I assume that's with the detune set to -1 and the whammy to +1. Also, whats the midi file you are using?

That's with guitar into Whammy 5 (with expression and mode controlled by MIDI) into an Ultimate Octave with octave up on.

Does this link work? https://www.dropbox.com/s/bhiv0xg697...I%20Whammy.zip

That version isn't quite complete, the verse isn't quite done there

arj225 21-02-2013 10:54 PM

ah ok, I'm running a Whammy DT and finding it hard to get anything near the correct sound

Dominic. 22-02-2013 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arj225 (Post 10007280)
ah ok, I'm running a Whammy DT and finding it hard to get anything near the correct sound

I don't know whether the DT has different midi settings for the different modes but if it doesn't then the file I linked should work well enough

arj225 22-02-2013 11:21 AM

Also, any chance of a midi file that works in cubase. Sorry for being fussy

Dominic. 22-02-2013 11:31 AM

I don't have Cubase sorry

Bs 22-02-2013 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic. (Post 10007360)
I don't know whether the DT has different midi settings for the different modes but if it doesn't then the file I linked should work well enough

I think that the settings the Whammy 5 has are the same MIDI commands on the DT, but obviously the DT has more settings that can be controlled. Also the DT settings are a lot clearer than the Whammy settings. For example, Oct -1 on the DT side sounds a lot better than Oct -1 with the Whammy part. Strange but true. Something to do with the Whammy side needing the ability to pitch bend quickly I'm guessing.

aerotec 22-02-2013 06:22 PM

Dominic, what chords do you play between 2min26 and 2min50 ?
I've heard that Matt tunes his guitar in AADGBE for this song, but I'm not sure...

Dominic. 22-02-2013 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerotec (Post 10007911)
Dominic, what chords do you play between 2min26 and 2min50 ?
I've heard that Matt tunes his guitar in AADGBE for this song, but I'm not sure...

1:58 to 2:50 is just single notes all on the A string

A--0-----8-----5-----7-----3------5------0------0------ x2

Fancy bits are done with the whammy to make it go weeoo, which I've got closer but still not perfect. If you watch the making of or just listen you can work out the picking pattern

aerotec 22-02-2013 09:01 PM

Thanks ! I'll try that tomorrow :)

arj225 10-03-2013 07:45 PM

I've messaged a few people on yt with no reply about the cubase midi file. Does anyone at all happen to have it?

Dominic. 10-03-2013 07:46 PM

Learn how to make one yourself. It was quite easy on Logic so shouldn't take you too long

elephantcollector 17-03-2013 01:06 PM

I'm working on a patch for Unsustainable atm (in Guitar Rig using an Envelope Filter as Cubase refuses to install on my laptop) I have the drop completed (It is the same pattern for both drops isn't it? there's just a different note or two in the second drop right?) but I'm having trouble working out the pattern for the part after the first drop where Matt plays single notes on the A string and makes them go Weeeee! and Woooo! with the whammy.

Has anyone got an image for the whammy pattern so I have a rough idea for this part? I remember seeing one somewhere around here but I cannot seem to find it again :/ Oh and the electronic hissing type sound that can be heard after the first drop just before the heavy drums and second reporter speech is a Kaoss Pad isn't it?

Citizen_Eraser 26-04-2013 09:20 PM

Having never seen anyone tab the actual live version of this song I decided to learn and tab it myself. So here's the actual live version of unsustainable (with the different middle bit) as Matt plays it. Only I did it with a real whammy pedal no cheating midi program auto whammy.

For anyone interested check it out and if you want I can post a quick notepad file of the tab.

Recorded direct input into my laptop so quality is good.


PHYXATION 27-04-2013 03:04 PM

:O
 
please can i have help getting that midi file..monies could come your way ;)

the guitar cover sounded great, something tells me matt has the OC2 running at the same time just something about the tone he had in the studio.

Dominic. 27-04-2013 11:00 PM

I know a couple of people were interested in this. Here's my Logic file of it. Not 100%

Citizen eraser's verse thing is definitely a lot better than mine

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bhiv0xg697...I%20Whammy.zip

Citizen_Eraser 28-04-2013 02:42 AM

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click that ^^ its an attachment

Citizen_Eraser 28-04-2013 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHYXATION (Post 10080038)
please can i have help getting that midi file..monies could come your way ;)

the guitar cover sounded great, something tells me matt has the OC2 running at the same time just something about the tone he had in the studio.

If you're referring to mine there is no midi file. I recorded it just direct into my laptop with a whammy pedal. Actually doing the pitch shifting manually.

PHYXATION 28-04-2013 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic. (Post 10080421)
I know a couple of people were interested in this. Here's my Logic file of it. Not 100%

Citizen eraser's verse thing is definitely a lot better than mine

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bhiv0xg697...I%20Whammy.zip

manage get the file dude cheer, there one problem its set as logic file(understandable :P )
can logic just mix down just as a .midi file?

PHYXATION 28-04-2013 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Citizen_Eraser (Post 10080687)
If you're referring to mine there is no midi file. I recorded it just direct into my laptop with a whammy pedal. Actually doing the pitch shifting manually.

no i was talking about doms, just listened to yours again and thats really good for manual.
what whammy is that your using?

Olly. 28-04-2013 02:03 PM

Just tried yours dom, why does yours go down to the drop tune?

Lozo 28-04-2013 02:07 PM

When I saw them (last october) I think he played the whammy movements with the XY pad. He was far from his pedalboard. Or someone play it backstage...

Dominic. 28-04-2013 02:10 PM

Oh right, yeah I have the whammy 5, so you might need to switch around the programe change to match whatever whammy you have

7 is 1 oct down
0 is 2oct up
8 is 2oct down
22 is bypass
1 is 1 oct up

I also use an Ultimate Octave with the oct up setting on to give it that harshish toan which also affects the harmonics so you might need to change what octave that's set to as well

PHYXATION 28-04-2013 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lozo (Post 10081024)
When I saw them (last october) I think he played the whammy movements with the XY pad. He was far from his pedalboard. Or someone play it backstage...

no its all controlled with midi theres to many changes in the whammy modes to do it manually. the verse on the lbum i think he did it manually though ^^

Dominic. 28-04-2013 02:16 PM

Just the MIDI file, don't know if it works or not in other DAWs but oh well
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t4rels8pha...I%20Whammy.mid

PHYXATION 28-04-2013 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic. (Post 10081034)
Just the MIDI file, don't know if it works or not in other DAWs but oh well
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t4rels8pha...I%20Whammy.mid

just loadedit up in cubase and i think we have progress :) will pickup my midi to usb shortly and try it out. looks like the control cc's are showing.

cheers :)

Lozo 28-04-2013 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHYXATION (Post 10081030)
no its all controlled with midi theres to many changes in the whammy modes to do it manually. the verse on the lbum i think he did it manually though ^^

OK.
Judging by the making of video, yep, he did it manually on the album.

Dominic. 28-04-2013 02:45 PM

I wouldn't take those making of videos quite so seriously, I mean sure maybe he did do it manually but still not certain. On the takes which don't have the actual finished song over the top, like it's actual camera audio you don't get a great view but his leg on the treadle doesn't seem to move much. Might be wrong though

Tom! 28-04-2013 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic. (Post 10081056)
I wouldn't take those making of videos quite so seriously, I mean sure maybe he did do it manually but still not certain. On the takes which don't have the actual finished song over the top, like it's actual camera audio you don't get a great view but his leg on the treadle doesn't seem to move much. Might be wrong though

I agree. Those videos only show a snippet of footage regarding it.

Citizen_Eraser 28-04-2013 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHYXATION (Post 10081021)
no i was talking about doms, just listened to yours again and thats really good for manual.
what whammy is that your using?

Its a digitech whammy 4.

PHYXATION 29-04-2013 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Citizen_Eraser (Post 10081597)
Its a digitech whammy 4.

sounds good, downloaded the midi file and uploaded it into cubase,
cc11 treadle isnt responding to the commands proper unfortunately but looks right
in the midi list :(

Tom! 29-04-2013 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHYXATION (Post 10082115)
sounds good, downloaded the midi file and uploaded it into cubase,
cc11 treadle isnt responding to the commands proper unfortunately but looks right
in the midi list :(

Check it's on the right channel.

james90 29-04-2013 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom! (Post 10082309)
Check it's on the right channel.

It sounds like he has it on the correct one, but if it's the file Dom linked, then it won't work as that was written for the whammy 5

Dominic. 29-04-2013 07:34 PM

Is whammy 5 expression not on cc11? I can't remember the details really, I just clicked on expression in logic then drew out the fancy bits...speaking of which, does anyone know how to actually do curved automation lines in logic?

If no one has a whammy 5 then I imagine it should be easy enough to convert that file for whammy 4 or DT. I posted above what the intended programme changes/whammy settings are


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