Survival - would you like an instrumental version?

[craig]

The comedy lyrics & vocals are awful.

Edit: Fair play, in the context of the album this has grown on me. But I would still like a version without the lyrics. The monster riffage should be unspoilt!!

[Peter.]

The comedy lyrics & vocals are awful.

the lyrics are horrific, but I like the way Matt is singing the song. still, since new lyrics doesn't seem to be a realistic option, I request an instrumental.

[cydonia196]

after a long time of trying to get back on this im back and has anyone noticed the similarity with scissor sisters laura at the start? pretty embarrassing if you ask me

[Cydonian_Princess]

We can always rest assured that if we want to read fantastically positive stuff about Muse the Official Muse forum is the place to come... not...

Matt's vocal's are awesome. The lyrics are simple, direct and motivating. He sings with real passion. It's already on my running list. Simples.

CHEERS MUSE, you've totally smashed this one :D

[bucket_]

We can always rest assured that if we want to read fantastically positive stuff about Muse the Official Muse forum is the place to come... not...

Matt's vocal's are awesome. The lyrics are simple, direct and motivating. He sings with real passion. It's already on my running list. Simples.

CHEERS MUSE, you've totally smashed this one :D

fakin pwoper

[Tim59]

Where's the 'Radioheadlol' option :noey:

[GuidingLight93]

If there was an instrumental version id use it to replace the normal version.

[Espectro Cuatro]

The vocals are some of Matt's best, and I don't really understand why people are surprised by the lyrics, as if Muse songs have ever been elaborate in their lyrical content...

Anyway, an instrumental would be cool, but not as good as the original IMO.

[Luxemburger Queen]

after a long time of trying to get back on this im back and has anyone noticed the similarity with scissor sisters laura at the start? pretty embarrassing if you ask me

Scissor Sisters have produced songs a lot better than some of Muse's shit.

[Dee3Dee]

The vocals are some of Matt's best, and I don't really understand why people are surprised by the lyrics, as if Muse songs have ever been elaborate in their lyrical content...

Anyway, an instrumental would be cool, but not as good as the original IMO.

It's not that Muse lyrics are usually good, it's just that they're usually not this bad.

[Popey]

Yes. But not because I hate the lyrics, if anything they make the song as awesome as it is. I just want it for the widdle.

[LyraSilvertongue]

These probably are the worst lyrics Matt's ever written. Worse even than Sober.

[forevermusic]

after a long time of trying to get back on this im back and has anyone noticed the similarity with scissor sisters laura at the start? pretty embarrassing if you ask me

I like that song. :chuckle:

It seems like it's trying to mimick the piano line to that song using the choir, oddly.

[Tofu]

Yes, if it means there's no choir in it. Yes I won't shut up about that.
But also yes because I tend to like instrumentals anyway.

[Craig no1]

Yes please :) I'm not a fan of the vocals but not cause I think they're bad just there not my sort of thing.

[Oh Hannah]

I think the vocals are amazing. So emotional in a different way to the normal angst. So much positivity is what we neeeeeed! And the lyrics are allowed to be lame, it's going to be played in tons of country's on the TV

[hyper_chondriac_muser]

These probably are the worst lyrics Matt's ever written. Worse even than Sober.

Nothing can claim the 'shittiest lyrics ever' award from NSC :phu:. C'mon 'Our love will be forever, and we'll die, we'll die together...'. 'snowflakes in an ocean' :facepalm: Cheryl Cole has better lyrics than that :LOL: (And that's saying something considering she's the most talentless sack of pooh ever :p).

The instrumental bit is the best of the whole song, imo (that BEEEEFFFFINESS is divine!), but Matt's vocals are fucking brilliant throughout. We get a chesty voice and two lots of crazy falsettos, along with hilarious chanting about racing and winning and fuse and lose :LOL:. It's pure comedy, lyrically speaking, but adds to the hyperbole of the song.

I'd love an entirely instrumental version anyways, cos that would be teh awesomes! :D

[LyraSilvertongue]

Nothing can claim the 'shittiest lyrics ever' award from NSC :phu:. C'mon 'Our love will be forever, and we'll die, we'll die together...'. 'snowflakes in an ocean' :facepalm: Cheryl Cole has better lyrics than that :LOL: (And that's saying something considering she's the most talentless sack of pooh ever :p).

The instrumental bit is the best of the whole song, imo (that BEEEEFFFFINESS is divine!), but Matt's vocals are fucking brilliant throughout. We get a chesty voice and two lots of crazy falsettos, along with hilarious chanting about racing and winning and fuse and lose :LOL:. It's pure comedy, lyrically speaking, but adds to the hyperbole of the song.

I'd love an entirely instrumental version anyways, cos that would be teh awesomes! :D

Oh come on. NSC's lyrics a crap but they're not crapper than:

Royal Canadian blended
The spicy aroma had mended me
Matured for years and imported
Into my glass you poured it

And you're the only reason
That I remain unfrozen
Suppose it stands to reason
That you would turn on me

You're so solid
You're so solid
It burns inside of me
Cause you're so solid
It burns inside of me

And Wild Turkey's been chosen
It's caramel nose can smell me
Arbourler/Jameson, I love you
The single malts came burning

[mjartrod]

No.

[JoshyBarth]

Oh come on. NSC's lyrics a crap but they're not crapper than:

Royal Canadian blended
The spicy aroma had mended me
Matured for years and imported
Into my glass you poured it

And you're the only reason
That I remain unfrozen
Suppose it stands to reason
That you would turn on me

You're so solid
You're so solid
It burns inside of me
Cause you're so solid
It burns inside of me

And Wild Turkey's been chosen
It's caramel nose can smell me
Arbourler/Jameson, I love you
The single malts came burning

Sober's lyrics arent THAT bad - It's just names of alcoholic drinks, and using them (pretty well I reckon) to show how he's addicted to drink

[FabriPav]

Oh come on. NSC's lyrics a crap but they're not crapper than:

Royal Canadian blended
The spicy aroma had mended me
Matured for years and imported
Into my glass you poured it

And you're the only reason
That I remain unfrozen
Suppose it stands to reason
That you would turn on me

You're so solid
You're so solid
It burns inside of me
Cause you're so solid
It burns inside of me

And Wild Turkey's been chosen
It's caramel nose can smell me
Arbourler/Jameson, I love you
The single malts came burning

Agreed.

[MopManMuse]

no way is sober the worst muse song lyrically, i love sober anway :D

[hyper_chondriac_muser]

Oh come on. NSC's lyrics a crap but they're not crapper than:

Royal Canadian blended
The spicy aroma had mended me
Matured for years and imported
Into my glass you poured it

And you're the only reason
That I remain unfrozen
Suppose it stands to reason
That you would turn on me

You're so solid
You're so solid
It burns inside of me
Cause you're so solid
It burns inside of me

And Wild Turkey's been chosen
It's caramel nose can smell me
Arbourler/Jameson, I love you
The single malts came burning

While these lyrics are v bad, I've always thought of Sober as one of Matt's earliest examples of tongue-in-cheek songwriting. It seems like he's taking the piss, to me, and using a song about alcohol to express that. Plus, it in no way puts me off the song. I barely notice the lyrics, tbh.

Meanwhile, in NSC that's all I notice, haha. You could argue that it's also a pisstake, but the criminal level of cheese in the latter makes it worse, imo. It's almost on the same vomit-inducing level as Britney Spears's 'love from above'-type lyrics. He's rambling about forever/together, halos and snowflakes for fuck's sake :LOL:.

The title alone is enough to make me want to put a bag over my head... Neutron Star Collision?! :chuckle: Lolwut Matthew! Most of all, though, the sappy, lovey-dovey crap is why I hate NSC's lyrics and why the song is very cringeworthy despite it being annoyingly catchy in places :ninja:


I was searching
You were on a mission
Then our hearts combined like
A neutron star collision
I have nothing left to lose
You took your time to choose
Then we told each other
With no trace of fear that...

Our love would be forever
And if we die, we die together
Lie, I said never
Because our love would be forever

The world is broken
And halos fail to glisten
You try to make a difference but
No one wants to listen
Hail the preachers fake and proud
Their doctrines will becloud
Then they'll dissipate
Like snowflakes in an ocean

ETC :vomit:


HOWEVER! Despite all that, it's still brilliant to sing and over-gesticulate along to at gigs... hilarious arm-waving fun!

[forevermusic]

While these lyrics are v bad, I've always thought of Sober as one of Matt's earliest examples of tongue-in-cheek songwriting. It seems like he's taking the piss, to me, and using a song about alcohol to express that. Plus, it in no way puts me off the song. I barely notice the lyrics, tbh.

Meanwhile, in NSC that's all I notice, haha. You could argue that it's also a pisstake, but the criminal level of cheese in the latter makes it worse, imo. It's almost on the same vomit-inducing level as Britney Spears's 'love from above'-type lyrics. He's rambling about forever/together, halos and snowflakes for fuck's sake :LOL:.

The title alone is enough to make me want to put a bag over my head... Neutron Star Collision?! :chuckle: Lolwut Matthew! Most of all, though, the sappy, lovey-dovey crap is why I hate NSC's lyrics and why the song is very cringeworthy despite it being annoyingly catchy in places :ninja:


I was searching
You were on a mission
Then our hearts combined like
A neutron star collision
I have nothing left to lose
You took your time to choose
Then we told each other
With no trace of fear that...

Our love would be forever
And if we die, we die together
Lie, I said never
Because our love would be forever

The world is broken
And halos fail to glisten
You try to make a difference but
No one wants to listen
Hail the preachers fake and proud
Their doctrines will becloud
Then they'll dissipate
Like snowflakes in an ocean

ETC :vomit:


HOWEVER! Despite all that, it's still brilliant to sing and over-gesticulate along to at gigs... hilarious arm-waving fun!

I remember a great NSC parody where it went something like this:
"My looooove is for cheddar!
And if we dine, we dine together
And brie, I will neeeevvveeeerrrr
'Cos my love, it is for cheddaaaarrrr!"

If only I could remember how it went...

The verse with preachers, halos and snowflakes I actually found quite good in NSC. The chorus and other verse though... it's more sickly sweet than trying eat everything in a sweet shop in one go. Shame - good rhythm, good riff, good pianos. Goddamn Twilight.

[Furygirl]

While these lyrics are v bad, I've always thought of Sober as one of Matt's earliest examples of tongue-in-cheek songwriting. It seems like he's taking the piss, to me, and using a song about alcohol to express that. Plus, it in no way puts me off the song. I barely notice the lyrics, tbh.

Meanwhile, in NSC that's all I notice, haha. You could argue that it's also a pisstake, but the criminal level of cheese in the latter makes it worse, imo. It's almost on the same vomit-inducing level as Britney Spears's 'love from above'-type lyrics. He's rambling about forever/together, halos and snowflakes for fuck's sake :LOL:.

The title alone is enough to make me want to put a bag over my head... Neutron Star Collision?! :chuckle: Lolwut Matthew! Most of all, though, the sappy, lovey-dovey crap is why I hate NSC's lyrics and why the song is very cringeworthy despite it being annoyingly catchy in places :ninja:


I was searching
You were on a mission
Then our hearts combined like
A neutron star collision
I have nothing left to lose
You took your time to choose
Then we told each other
With no trace of fear that...

Our love would be forever
And if we die, we die together
Lie, I said never
Because our love would be forever

The world is broken
And halos fail to glisten
You try to make a difference but
No one wants to listen
Hail the preachers fake and proud
Their doctrines will becloud
Then they'll dissipate
Like snowflakes in an ocean

ETC :vomit:


HOWEVER! Despite all that, it's still brilliant to sing and over-gesticulate along to at gigs... hilarious arm-waving fun!

Yeah, in songs such as Sober, I don't notice the silly lyrics, but like you said, in songs like NSC and Survival it's much more noticeable. I think it's because he's singing in such a slow, serious, ridiculously earnest way...it's just cringey.

[Blype]

As long as the instrumental still has the choir in it, then yes.

[foldingstars]

Worse lyrics have been made. I really liked the song and I think the lyrics are fine :awesome:

[FabriPav]

Worse lyrics have been made. I really liked the song and I think the lyrics are fine :awesome:

<3

[ExogenesisP1]

I don't care, I like these feel good lyrics. Every time I here 'race, life’s a race, and I am gonna win' I just smile.

[mushroom547]

i think this might be a totally harsh comment but seriously. i kind of miss their old stuff. :stunned:

[Kueller917]

I remember a great NSC parody where it went something like this:
"My looooove is for cheddar!
And if we dine, we dine together
And brie, I will neeeevvveeeerrrr
'Cos my love, it is for cheddaaaarrrr!"

If only I could remember how it went...

The verse with preachers, halos and snowflakes I actually found quite good in NSC. The chorus and other verse though... it's more sickly sweet than trying eat everything in a sweet shop in one go. Shame - good rhythm, good riff, good pianos. Goddamn Twilight.

I have a text file with this one.

I was hungry, Chris was on a mission
Then he went and told me that his favourite cheese was Edam
Now I've nothing left to lose
He took his time to choose
And I feel that I must tell it to the
world that

My love is for cheddar
And we'll eat, we'll eat together
And brie, I say never
'Cause my love is for cheddar!

The world is broken, halos fail to glisten
I told Dom to get cheddar but he refused to listen

And, I'm sure you'll agree
As Chris and I both see
That honestly, brie is a gay cheese

'Cause my love is for cheddar
And we'll eat, we'll eat together
And brie, I say never
'Cause my love is for cheddar!

[FabriPav]

I have a text file with this one.

:LOL:

[hyper_chondriac_muser]

I don't care, I like these feel good lyrics. Every time I here 'race, life’s a race, and I am gonna win' I just smile.

I smile at it because it's cringeworthy :p.

Ah, I remember the pisstake lyrics to NSC. They're much better than the original!

[Jobby]

'Race, life's a race and I'm gonna win' always makes me cringe a bit but the rest of it is alright (I actually quite like 'And I'll reveal my strength to the whole human race') and Matt has some fantastic vocals in parts.

[Tofu]

'Race, life's a race and I'm gonna win' always makes me cringe a bit but the rest of it is alright (I actually quite like 'And I'll reveal my strength to the whole human race') and Matt has some fantastic vocals in parts.

I like that line too, actually. And the lighting the fuse one. :LOL: And the choosing to thrive one. The race will always be wtf though.

[Teffy]

I would love an instrumental version of Survival because I love the instrumental bits but the song is truly weird. Why is Matt singing in that silly voice? Why are Muse imitating Queen? I could never stand Queen, they were rubbish. Why use the style of another band when you have a wonderful style of your own?:( I've listened to it quite a few times in the hope it would grow on me but it's no good. It's a really poor song. And what's all that clicking business? Sounds like a badly scratched vinyl record. I'd say a cracked 78 but you're all too young to know what that means!

[foldingstars]

I could never stand Queen, they were rubbish.
:facepalm:

[FabriPav]

I would love an instrumental version of Survival because I love the instrumental bits but the song is truly weird. Why is Matt singing in that silly voice? Why are Muse imitating Queen? I could never stand Queen, they were rubbish. Why use the style of another band when you have a wonderful style of your own?:( I've listened to it quite a few times in the hope it would grow on me but it's no good. It's a really poor song. And what's all that clicking business? Sounds like a badly scratched vinyl record. I'd say a cracked 78 but you're all too young to know what that means!

What the fuck are you talking about

[Henz]

Instrumantal made USoE listenable, so it might do for this as well.

[Vixna]

I wouldn't like an instrumental version just for that magnific falsetto at the end that always brings a smile to my face.

[Oh Hannah]

I would love an instrumental version of Survival because I love the instrumental bits but the song is truly weird. Why is Matt singing in that silly voice? Why are Muse imitating Queen? I could never stand Queen, they were rubbish. Why use the style of another band when you have a wonderful style of your own?:( I've listened to it quite a few times in the hope it would grow on me but it's no good. It's a really poor song. And what's all that clicking business? Sounds like a badly scratched vinyl record. I'd say a cracked 78 but you're all too young to know what that means!

They are not imitating anyone.

[Oh Hannah]

I like that line too, actually. And the lighting the fuse one. :LOL: And the choosing to thrive one. The race will always be wtf though.

I love the way he says 'I choose to survive!' with such positivity the second time :happy:

[Teffy]

They are not imitating anyone.

Sorry but they are. Call it a take off if you prefer but that is Queen. And Queen were rubbish.

[Tim59]

that is Queen. And Queen were rubbish.

:facepalm: :facepalm:


When one facepalm just doesn't cut it.

[Teffy]

You can facepalm all you like. You didn't live through the Queen era and have to listen to them all the time.

[FabriPav]

You can facepalm all you like. You didn't live through the Queen era and have to listen to them all the time.

So the fact that they were overplayed by radio and tv made them rubbish?

lol

[Tim59]

Playing the age card are we?

And surely its about time you move on from the days when they were overplayed and listen to the music for what it is? In 20 years time, I'm not going to be crying to the world that SMBH and Uprising are bad because they were overplayed in their time.

[Teffy]

So the fact that they were overplayed by radio and tv made them rubbish?

lol

It didn't MAKE them rubbish, they did that all by themselves. It just made it painful having to listen to them all the time.

[Tim59]

So the fact that they were overplayed by radio and tv made them rubbish?

lol

This. I think its time for Luxemburger Queen to whip out the facepalm .gifs

[Teffy]

This. I think its time for Luxemburger Queen to whip out the facepalm .gifs

If it would make you happy. Won't make any difference to me! :rolleyes:

[FabriPav]

This. I think its time for Luxemburger Queen to whip out the facepalm .gifs

I can contribute with this

http://i46.tinypic.com/2mgjxbk.gif

[Tim59]

I can contribute with this

http://i46.tinypic.com/2mgjxbk.gif

:awesome:

[Teffy]

Do you feel better for that?

[Luxemburger Queen]

This. I think its time for Luxemburger Queen to whip out the facepalm .gifs

I heard my name and come with a selection of appropriate giffage.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/potver-dorie/gifs/lokifacepalm-1.gif
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/potver-dorie/gifs/lol.gif
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/potver-dorie/gifs/slap.gif

[Tim59]

I know I do. Still feel sorry for u though.

[FabriPav]

I heard my name and come with a selection on appropriate giffage.


Luxemburger Queen = Hiddleston :chuckle:

[Luxemburger Queen]

Luxemburger Queen = Hiddleston :chuckle:

Shhh :shifty:

alternatively:
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/potver-dorie/gifs/Game%20of%20Thrones/idiot.gif

[Tim59]

The second one is also a LOL gif

[Teffy]

I know I do. Still feel sorry for u though.

I can't imagine why but suit yourself. Luckily we can't all be alike. :)

[Luxemburger Queen]

The second one is also a LOL gif

Multipurpose innit.

[Tim59]

I can't imagine why but suit yourself. Luckily we can't all be alike. :)

Because you're missing out. But, eh, you're right. To each his own. :)

[Teffy]

To each his own. :)

Exactly.

[shinybee]

I would love an instrumental version of Survival because I love the instrumental bits but the song is truly weird. Why is Matt singing in that silly voice? Why are Muse imitating Queen? I could never stand Queen, they were rubbish. Why use the style of another band when you have a wonderful style of your own?:( I've listened to it quite a few times in the hope it would grow on me but it's no good. It's a really poor song. And what's all that clicking business? Sounds like a badly scratched vinyl record. I'd say a cracked 78 but you're all too young to know what that means!

I don't think Muse are imitating Queen. The guitar in the first half (about 3 minutes in) does sound Queen-ish and the choral stuff but there's plenty more that is different. The guitar from 4.00 in the below clip is more Muse, I think. It's pretty amazing. Also, I love the way Matt sings 'I'm gonna win' at 2.26. Not Freddie-like at all :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68mw8AE9l_g

[FabriPav]

The guitar from 4.00 in the below clip is more Muse, I think

:yesey: SOAD-influenced, I'd say.

[Oh Hannah]

Sorry but they are. Call it a take off if you prefer but that is Queen. And Queen were rubbish.

Similar vocals perhaps but Apart from that I see no comparison. They are 2 completely different bands.

[mjartrod]

Queen, rubbish? :LOL:
Would you prefer Matt to be influenced by the Spice Girls? It would manage the feat of at least please some of the reviewers in the press ;) :awesome:

[hyper_chondriac_muser]

:yesey: SOAD-influenced, I'd say.

Took it too far :noey:.

[FabriPav]

Took it too far :noey:.

Wouldn't be the first time he took influence by them, and the solos reminded me of Malakian since the first listen.

[bumpypotato]

:yesey: SOAD-influenced, I'd say.

A bit Deftony, too.

[bumpypotato]

Wouldn't be the first time he took influence by them, and the solos reminded me of Malakian since the first listen.

Plus the whole middle eastern sounding metal in it.

[FabriPav]

Plus the whole middle eastern sounding metal in it.

Exactly :awesome:

[Sippe]

You guys never fail to make my day.

omg someone dislikes Queen.

[Kueller917]

You guys never fail to make my day.

omg someone dislikes Queen.

Glad to be part of your entertainment :awesome:

[Edeslash]

100% sure these will show up at some point in youtube. Fan-made, just like those creepy 'vocals + bass' (etc) versions of Resistance songs.

[Kati]

I would love an instrumental version of Survival because I love the instrumental bits but the song is truly weird. Why is Matt singing in that silly voice? Why are Muse imitating Queen? I could never stand Queen, they were rubbish.

Interesting what hatred you got from saying Queen is rubbish. I have to admit I don't get their genious either. Never been a fan, but I spent now a couple of hours listening through some songs, and I still don't get the genious. I wouldn't call them rubbish, though. I do like the few 70ies hits. Btw their fans must have been devastated by the change of sound in 80ies ;) Muse are extremely faithful to their early sound compared to Queen.

Tbh I also don't quite understand why you say Muse are imitating Queen. Sure there are influences but Survival does not sound like Queen imo. Which parts in your opinion make it sound like Queen? The choir?

Just a general side note: I don't get why people have to express their opinions of music in terms of either rubbish/sucks/shit, or epic/masterpiece/genious. Most of the music is imo fairly good or somewhat poorer, there's no need to use superlatives all the time.

[kingcools]

wtf? best part of this song are the vocals. The way matthew sings "im gonna win" in the second part of the song together with the choir is sooooo fucking epic, god i love it^^

edit: being influenced by queen is NEVER a bad thing

[Dee3Dee]

Tbh I also don't quite understand why you say Muse are imitating Queen. Sure there are influences but Survival does not sound like Queen imo. Which parts in your opinion make it sound like Queen? The choir?

Really? You've got "There can be only one" from USoE as a prime example of Queen. Personally, when I heard the first few seconds of the piano in Survival I said "Oh look, it's Bohemian Rhapsody".

[Sippe]

The beginning of Survival(after the prelude) just screams Queen :erm:

[Dillyracer]

Really? You've got "There can be only one" from USoE as a prime example of Queen. Personally, when I heard the first few seconds of the piano in Survival I said "Oh look, it's Bohemian Rhapsody".

The beginning of Survival(after the prelude) just screams Queen :erm:

Yup

[Peter.]

Yup

that comment was worth every millisecond you've spent to make it...

[Raiga Kagekami]

Muse are extremely faithful to their early sound compared to Queen.

Really?

I think the best thing about Muse instrumentals is that you can always hear the underlying layers that aren't as obvious as it was on the full record, like the synth in Starlight which I found really, really nice.

So personally I'd really love to hear an instrumental version of Survival, without the choral parts as well. It'd be better if we could get the roots (or whatever it's called :LOL: ), though that's highly unlikely unless it becomes DLC for Rock Band :rolleyes: or maybe a DTS version of The 2nd Law, like the DTS version of The Resistance, where you can select a channel or something to listen to specific instruments.

[Oh Hannah]

Really? You've got "There can be only one" from USoE as a prime example of Queen. Personally, when I heard the first few seconds of the piano in Survival I said "Oh look, it's Bohemian Rhapsody".

Yeh I was singing it today with my sister and when it got to the 'I see a little silloette of a man' we both spontaneously sung 'race, life's a race' instead

[Bobby Loan Sharkz]

I never had a particular desire to listen to an instrumental version...I mean, there are no vocals during the guitar shredding, and that's the best part of the song

[Kati]

Really? You've got "There can be only one" from USoE as a prime example of Queen. Personally, when I heard the first few seconds of the piano in Survival I said "Oh look, it's Bohemian Rhapsody".

Did I say anything about USoE?

The beginning of Survival(after the prelude) just screams Queen :erm:

Yeh I was singing it today with my sister and when it got to the 'I see a little silloette of a man' we both spontaneously sung 'race, life's a race' instead

You people must hear Queen resemblances in awful lot of music. You probably also call Michael Jackson just another Queen imitatator too (that connection even I heard the other day).

I can't really say of all Queen songs as I'm not familiar with them, but when it comes to Bohemian Rhapsody I wouldn't say Muse imitates them. Yes combining choir (harmonies in case of Queen? Not sure about the vocabulary) with the simple piano pling-pling-pling-pling is similar to Bohemian Rhapsody at the point Hannah referred to, but in Survival the piano develops into old fashioned bluesy kind of thing (which has been done zillion times but still works) whereas I can't hear any trace of blues in Bohemian Rhapsody, well unless you assume all guitar rock is just inheritance from blues. Oh there isn't even simple pling-pling-pling-pling with piano on Survival, the choir does the rhythm :LOL:

Shit, and here I am discussing genres again although I've promised myself not to get into that anymore ;) Well they puzzle me.

Anyway, I get somewhat annoyed when people say Muse imitate this or that band. Imho rock music is made of relatively simple ingredients, and if you really want to, you can hear the influences of different past bands in all modern rock music. What Muse and Queen have in common is usage of harmonies, piano, guitar, bass and drums (:eek:), and pompousity of course. And catchy, good melodies quite often, I would say. But Queen was much more disco later in 80ies than Muse has so far been, and I didn't hear jazzy/bluesy influences in the Queen songs I listened to.

Oh btw on topic: With instrumental version, do people mean a song stripped off the choir and Matt's vocals, or replacing them with instruments? Because I don't think just stripped off version would work, at all. Replacing with instruments would remove the effect of lyrics some people don't like, but I don't see the point in that as people seem to like Matt's singing.

[Oh Hannah]

I never said muse imitate queen :erm: I love both bands and don't care at all if one sounds like the other. I was just commenting on the similarities, not 'dissing' it for lack of a better word

[Sippe]

You people must hear Queen resemblances in awful lot of music. You probably also call Michael Jackson just another Queen imitatator too (that connection even I heard the other day).

I can't really say of all Queen songs as I'm not familiar with them, but when it comes to Bohemian Rhapsody I wouldn't say Muse imitates them. Yes combining choir (harmonies in case of Queen? Not sure about the vocabulary) with the simple piano pling-pling-pling-pling is similar to Bohemian Rhapsody at the point Hannah referred to, but in Survival the piano develops into old fashioned bluesy kind of thing (which has been done zillion times but still works) whereas I can't hear any trace of blues in Bohemian Rhapsody, well unless you assume all guitar rock is just inheritance from blues. Oh there isn't even simple pling-pling-pling-pling with piano on Survival, the choir does the rhythm :LOL:
Seriously, what the hell are you on about?

[JamesPHD]

Seriously, what the hell are you on about?

Don't you know that Queen only have one song and it's Bohemian Rhapsody? And it doesn't feature the pling-pling.

Holy shit nuggets, I just got to this part:



Anyway, I get somewhat annoyed when people say Muse imitate this or that band. Imho rock music is made of relatively simple ingredients, and if you really want to, you can hear the influences of different past bands in all modern rock music. What Muse and Queen have in common is usage of harmonies, piano, guitar, bass and drums (:eek:), and pompousity of course. And catchy, good melodies quite often, I would say. But Queen was much more disco later in 80ies than Muse has so far been, and I didn't hear jazzy/bluesy influences in the Queen songs I listened to.

Oh btw on topic: With instrumental version, do people mean a song stripped off the choir and Matt's vocals, or replacing them with instruments? Because I don't think just stripped off version would work, at all. Replacing with instruments would remove the effect of lyrics some people don't like, but I don't see the point in that as people seem to like Matt's singing.

I swear Survival could fit right into the A Day At The Races tracklist.

Does that mean Survival is a bad song? No.

Does that mean they copied Queen? No.

[Dee3Dee]

I have to stop reading Kati's post, because eventually they will give me a bleeding ulcer.

[JamesPHD]

Interesting what hatred you got from saying Queen is rubbish. I have to admit I don't get their genious either. Never been a fan, but I spent now a couple of hours listening through some songs, and I still don't get the genious. I wouldn't call them rubbish, though. I do like the few 70ies hits. Btw their fans must have been devastated by the change of sound in 80ies ;) Muse are extremely faithful to their early sound compared to Queen.

Speak for yourself.
Queen (their first album) being their heaviest album produced fantastic tracks. A band that can produce songs like Keep Yourself Alive, Liar, Great King Rat and then turn around and drop songs that are completely different on me. Each album was different. That's why they are a fantastic band. Why they are one of my favourite bands.

It's part of the reason I like Muse. An ability to do songs that don't always sound the same.


I have to stop reading Kati's post, because eventually they will give me a bleeding ulcer.

Pretty much ya.

[Oh Hannah]

It's part of the reason I like Muse. An ability to do songs that don't always sound the same.


:yesey: me too

Kati, I think you just Mis interpreted what -certainly I - was meaning, which was not anything negative against muse

[Dillyracer]

that comment was worth every millisecond you've spent to make it...

Yup

[Raiga Kagekami]

You people must hear Queen resemblances in awful lot of music. You probably also call Michael Jackson just another Queen imitatator too (that connection even I heard the other day).

So now you're generalizing? I don't get what you're trying to point out in those awfully long posts that don't make sense a lot of times. I don't mean to be rude but there's a reason why everyone's somewhat against seeing you post.

Besides, we've never claimed that Muse is COPYING Queen. We are just saying there are several instances where Queen's influence can be heard clearly or where it bears similarities to this certain established 'Queen' sound. And that is especially audible in certain works of Muse. Such as 'Survival'. That's just what we're trying to point out.

(Inb4 someone says it's not we, just me. :LOL: )
Oh yeah, back on topic. Don't we eventually get the instrumental versions of the album tracks, as in on Warner's official website or something? I heard there were official instrumentals like for OoS uploaded somewhere.

[Tofu]

Oh btw on topic: With instrumental version, do people mean a song stripped off the choir and Matt's vocals, or replacing them with instruments? Because I don't think just stripped off version would work, at all. Replacing with instruments would remove the effect of lyrics some people don't like, but I don't see the point in that as people seem to like Matt's singing.

An instrumental with the choir and vocals stripped out? I like them because you can hear more details in the music that way, for the most part, and yes, sometimes I do prefer them to the original song.

@Raiga Kagekami: Yup.

[Kati]

Seems to me the dispute comes from whether imitating something, copying something, sounding like something, screaming of something, being something or being able to replace vocals with vocals of other song are referring to approximately same level of resemblance. I took it as if they were, but I guess not. Whatever.

An instrumental with the choir and vocals stripped out? I like them because you can hear more details in the music that way, for the most part, and yes, sometimes I do prefer them to the original song.

I don't understand wtf you mean by this, but nevermind.

[Tofu]

I don't understand wtf you mean by this, but nevermind.
I just mean something like this…same song, just without the vocal track. Makes it easier to hear the instruments :erm: What's not to understand?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYtgDF_s9No

[Dee3Dee]

I don't understand wtf you mean by this, but nevermind.

Now you know what it's like to read one of your posts.

[Sippe]

Funny how it always ends up being a language problem.

[Kati]

Off topics:

I just mean something like this…same song, just without the vocal track. Makes it easier to hear the instruments :erm: What's not to understand?


So I made a question: A or B? Reply A. would have been clear, reply A? was not. Sure I could have guessed by your comments what you probably mean, but...

Now you know what it's like to read one of your posts.

I'm starting to wonder whether the picture you sometimes send as a reply ("You're retarded") was sent to you by someone who tried to communicate with you. I thought you just choose not to concentrate and understand what someone you don't like writes, but you really just don't understand, do you? It didn't even occur to you that I might have chosen to reply "wtf do you mean" to demonstrate what a stupid reply that is?

Funny how it always ends up being a language problem.

Yep, I didn't want to mention my frustration of trying to communicate with youngsters who lack the patience for reading and understanding more than two lines of text at time. Unfortunately I cannot describe even relatively simple thoughts on music shortly and unambiguously in English (probably not even in my native language, never tried), and I do not understand nuances or connotations too well. Quite often even lame language skills are enough for discussion, but that requires effort from all parties. Obviously you like most members of this forum choose not to discuss but to nitpick about semantics.

I just mean something like this…same song, just without the vocal track. Makes it easier to hear the instruments


Well I think that is interesting only for someone who knows the version with all vocals already, because they are in your example and in Survival an essential part of the song. Sure it makes it easier to hear the instruments and understand how a song is built, for anyone who is interested in such things (not saying I personally wouldn't be occasionally).

Edit: tried to make the post appear smaller but doesn't seem to work... Now it's all fucked up.

[FabriPav]

Well I think that is interesting only for someone who knows the version with all vocals already, because they are in your example and in Survival an essential part of the song. Sure it makes it easier to hear the instruments and understand how a song is built, for anyone who is interested in such things (not saying I personally wouldn't be occasionally).

Of course an instrumental is for people who already know the full version :erm: what did you think people wanted the instrumental version for? :rolleyes:

[Luxemburger Queen]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/571616/pigeon_popcorn.gif

[Kati]

Of course an instrumental is for people who already know the full version :erm: what did you think people wanted the instrumental version for? :rolleyes:

I can't think of a modern example quickly, but this song was first written instrumental and this is the popular version I learned to know first:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLDEi-r7FDU

But it has also been performed with vocals, like here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VwtIQvy10M

This is actually what I understand with instrumental version of a song, i.e. melody of vocals is performed with an instrument.

[Sippe]

Yep, I didn't want to mention my frustration of trying to communicate with youngsters who lack the patience for reading and understanding more than two lines of text at time. Unfortunately I cannot describe even relatively simple thoughts on music shortly and unambiguously in English (probably not even in my native language, never tried), and I do not understand nuances or connotations too well. Quite often even lame language skills are enough for discussion, but that requires effort from all parties. Obviously you like most members of this forum choose not to discuss but to nitpick about semantics.
:LOL: Get over yourself.

[Dee3Dee]

It didn't even occur to you that I might have chosen to reply "wtf do you mean" to demonstrate what a stupid reply that is?

Because you didn't do that. You genuinely didn't understand.

Yep, I didn't want to mention my frustration of trying to communicate with youngsters who lack the patience for reading and understanding more than two lines of text at time.

Lol.

Obviously you like most members of this forum choose not to discuss but to nitpick about semantics.

What else is there to do when most of your posts are complete nonsense?

Carry on.

[Dee3Dee]

:LOL: Get over yourself.

Simon, we're youngsters, we just don't understand.

[Noodles]

Can the the people involved stop the back and forth arguing, please. Spoilered or not.

There's room for everyone's views on the topic without getting narky.


(It does sound a lot like Queen to me though)

[Furygirl]

Can't be bothered to figure out what the Queen comparisons have to do with discussing an instrumental version of Survival..... Oh wait, they've nothing to do with it. Stay on topic, please. :)

[Noodles]

Sorry. :$

[Furygirl]

Aw, Noodles beat me. I'm slow on my phone.

But yeah. What he said. :fear:

[Luxemburger Queen]

Snarky Niña de Furia :pope:
Noods, this is not your division :fear:

[Noodles]

Don't give me jurisdiction bullshit chief.
You can take my badge, but you can't stop me working the case!

/On topic. It's not a very good song, bung an instrumental online somewhere for people who want it. Sorted.

[Luxemburger Queen]

Don't give me jurisdiction bullshit chief.
You can take my badge, but you can't stop me working the case!

/On topic. It's not a very good song, bung an instrumental online somewhere for people who want it. Sorted.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz1if8uFFZ1qg4j5bo1_500.gif


I'd just like hear it without the choir. Still have lots of choir hate. hate hate hate.

[FabriPav]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz1if8uFFZ1qg4j5bo1_500.gif

I just died. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

[Raiga Kagekami]

Stay on topic, please. :)

Sorry! :$

Now that I think about it, there's enough "instrumental-only" parts in the song, so I'm gonna assume that even during the Olympics, there won't be instrumental parts for the verses that will be played.

Not that it really matters that much. :LOL:

[Travisx2112]

I'm gonna assume that even during the Olympics, there won't be instrumental parts for the verses that will be played.


:wtf:

They're just going to play the whole song...

Anywho, I'm sure an instrumental version will show up sooner or later. We have instrumental versions of all of the other albums (except for Hullabaloo, and some songs off of the other records.) Most likely from Warner Music Group's website.

[Raiga Kagekami]

:wtf:

They're just going to play the whole song...

:p Like I said, not that it matters if they do or don't. I wasn't making sense then, anyway.

[TheMuseSmurf]

not an official one, but on Spotify, there's an album called London Olympic 2012 - Classical Opening Ceremony by some orchestra called World Olympics Pops Orchestra, there's a pretty EPIC version of Survival on there!!

[FabriPav]

not an official one, but on Spotify, there's an album called London Olympic 2012 - Classical Opening Ceremony by some orchestra called World Olympics Pops Orchestra, there's a pretty EPIC version of Survival on there!!

Holy shit, I'm listening to it right now! This is good

[TheMuseSmurf]

loving the Uprising cover too!

[muse maniac]

My opinion: Matt's vocals are great on this song; they are worth the lyrics.

[darksky]

I voted yes. Not because I dislike the vocals, but because it would surely be a great piece of music more from muse