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That Little Animal
25-06-2012, 01:54 AM
With all this talk about dubstep nobody seems notice the music in the first 90 seconds of the new album trailer.

Is it on the album?
Is it part of Unsustainable or a different song?
Why is everybody focussing on dubstep when the trailer hints more at (another) album full of classical/john williams/movie-score influences.

It sounds like the strings in the the trailer are mimicking a guitar riff that might kick in later in the song. The vocals are really recorded this time, rather than lifted from some music library and overall it seems more together and original than most of Exogenesis, because it's lacking the overdone and repetitive arpeggios, as well as any of Matt's piano playing.

Anyway, discuss, what are your expectations for the orchestral/classically influenced bits and bobs on the new album?

Jobby
25-06-2012, 02:01 AM
This has already been discussed a fair bit :erm: People talk about the 'dubstep' more because it sounds different to stuff they've put on albums before whereas the strings are nothing new for Muse.

Kueller917
25-06-2012, 03:08 AM
Well to me it definitely sounds a lot different than a lot of the arrangements they've done in the past. When the voice kicks in and the big heavy chords come in I'm getting the big theatrical feeling I actually expected on The Resistance, with the prominence. The merging with the electronic parts, and how it sounds like a later guitar riff, makes me think they'll really do a good job on mixing the orchestra with the rest of the band a lot better this time.

Jimmyneutron
25-06-2012, 08:14 AM
I hope the strings match a guitar riff. Somehow I think it will be more electronic based riff though than say a KOC.

Alec.
25-06-2012, 08:39 AM
Maybe they're angling for a similar sound to that on "War Machine" and "Chemical Blood" by Fightstar.

daisyloomes
25-06-2012, 08:40 AM
I've heard a lot of people talking about how much better quality the orchestra and strings sound, production and recording wise. It does sound different from their other arrangements, but then again there is a huge variety of orchestral sections from their songs and they usually are pretty unique.
Personally, I think it sounds great and I am ridiculously excited about the album!
Yay! :LOL:

Travis III
25-06-2012, 08:54 AM
I hope it's on the album. Sounds very well-produced, and compositionally superior to any of Muse's other orchestral songs. The synths are also very well integrated.

Dave
25-06-2012, 12:27 PM
The out of tune choir is just fantastic :D

Anxyous
25-06-2012, 12:34 PM
I don't get the love the orchestral bit...

Oh Hannah
25-06-2012, 11:26 PM
The part with the choir and the words on the screen shocked/amazed me the most out of the whole trailer. I really really found that powerful

foldingstars
26-06-2012, 01:42 PM
It feels like a strong and surprising song. I don't see it being part of the dubstep song though. How could they suddenly switch from it to dubstep live? :LOL:

bumpypotato
26-06-2012, 01:46 PM
It feels like a strong and surprising song. I don't see it being part of the dubstep song though. How could they suddenly switch from it to dubstep live? :LOL:

I doubt they'll play it live.

foldingstars
26-06-2012, 02:04 PM
I doubt they'll play it live.

That's my point. Why would they waste that dubstep-riff-thing by never playing it live? :phu:

fabripav
26-06-2012, 02:16 PM
I think the potato meant that they won't play the orchestral part live :chuckle:

foldingstars
26-06-2012, 02:17 PM
I think the potato meant that they won't play the orchestral part live :chuckle:

Yes I got that. That's why I doubt that the orchestral bit and the dubstep aren't the same song. :LOL:

Jobby
26-06-2012, 02:28 PM
I think the potato meant that they won't play the orchestral part live :chuckle:

Unless they use the orchestral part and the woman's speech as an intro played through speakers and then open with Unsustainable? :awesome:

fabripav
26-06-2012, 02:34 PM
Unless they use the orchestral part and the woman's speech as an intro played through speakers and then open with Unsustainable? :awesome:

Now THAT would be awesome.

foldingstars
26-06-2012, 02:54 PM
I don't know what I'd do with myself if that would happen. :$

Travis III
28-06-2012, 07:15 AM
Prelude's sounding pretty sweet as well.

Niall
28-06-2012, 08:46 AM
This is all part of the same song it turns out. The orchestral bit and the electronic bit afterwards.

fabripav
28-06-2012, 08:58 AM
I wish they were two different songs, with Supremacy (some sort of interlude) being the intro to Unsustainable. Maybe the song will go from electronic to orchestral many times... The transition in the trailer wasn't that great.

Museic Syndrome
28-06-2012, 11:02 AM
Unless they use the orchestral part and the woman's speech as an intro played through speakers and then open with Unsustainable? :awesome:

I swear I have had that in my mind since the first time I heard the trailer. Right on for thinking alike ;)

bumpypotato
28-06-2012, 12:28 PM
I think the potato meant that they won't play the orchestral part live :chuckle:

Yeah :chuckle:

Yes I got that. That's why I doubt that the orchestral bit and the dubstep aren't the same song. :LOL:

They managed with Exo part 1

bumpypotato
28-06-2012, 12:29 PM
Unless they use the orchestral part and the woman's speech as an intro played through speakers and then open with Unsustainable? :awesome:

:awesome:

Very likely too!

Jobby
28-06-2012, 12:32 PM
Knowing that it's just one song in the trailer now, it seems odd that the sheet music that matched the orchestral part was titled 'Supremacy'. Why would they do that if it's the same song as Unsustainable? Unless (and this is gonna sound very speculative and possibly quite silly but) Unsustainable isn't a song title and it was a separate section on the whiteboard because it was radically different to the orchestral section/rest of the song so they were gonna record it at a different time.

Niall
28-06-2012, 12:35 PM
Knowing that it's just one song in the trailer now, it seems odd that the sheet music that matched the orchestral part was titled 'Supremacy'. Why would they do that if it's the same song as Unsustainable? Unless (and this is gonna sound very speculative and possibly quite silly but) Unsustainable isn't a song title and it was a section on the whiteboard because it was radically different to the orchestral section/rest of the song so they were gonna record it at a different time.

That's what I thought too. Seems a bit weird but Matt did talk about it as if it was one song in the interview, and I guess that's got to be the case.

Museic Syndrome
29-06-2012, 08:52 AM
Knowing that it's just one song in the trailer now, it seems odd that the sheet music that matched the orchestral part was titled 'Supremacy'. Why would they do that if it's the same song as Unsustainable? Unless (and this is gonna sound very speculative and possibly quite silly but) Unsustainable isn't a song title and it was a separate section on the whiteboard because it was radically different to the orchestral section/rest of the song so they were gonna record it at a different time.

That is very likely.

Anxyous
29-06-2012, 11:34 AM
Knowing that it's just one song in the trailer now, it seems odd that the sheet music that matched the orchestral part was titled 'Supremacy'. Why would they do that if it's the same song as Unsustainable? Unless (and this is gonna sound very speculative and possibly quite silly but) Unsustainable isn't a song title and it was a separate section on the whiteboard because it was radically different to the orchestral section/rest of the song so they were gonna record it at a different time.

Or maybe the song just isn't called Unsustainable.

Oh Hannah
29-06-2012, 11:39 AM
Knowing that it's just one song in the trailer now, it seems odd that the sheet music that matched the orchestral part was titled 'Supremacy'. Why would they do that if it's the same song as Unsustainable? Unless (and this is gonna sound very speculative and possibly quite silly but) Unsustainable isn't a song title and it was a separate section on the whiteboard because it was radically different to the orchestral section/rest of the song so they were gonna record it at a different time.

Or maybe, like I've tried to explain countless times, the sheet music in the background to this site, and the music in the trailer, is NOT supremacy....

i.wish.i.RAWR!
29-06-2012, 11:48 AM
I don't understand why people are all so convinced that the two parts of the trailer are just one song. All Matt says in the interview is that there's only one song that sounds "dubstep" like that. Nowhere am I hearing him actually say that all the music in the trailer is part of a single song. :erm:

Niall
29-06-2012, 01:55 PM
What's the synthy build up in the orchestral bit doing there then?

"We did this like trailer thing, it's on youtube I think, that's like an excerpt from one of the tracks on there"

Tofu
29-06-2012, 02:23 PM
I don't understand why people are all so convinced that the two parts of the trailer are just one song. All Matt says in the interview is that there's only one song that sounds "dubstep" like that. Nowhere am I hearing him actually say that all the music in the trailer is part of a single song. :erm:

"We did that, we did a little trailer thing, uh, which is uh, went on Youtube, didn't it yeah? It's like um…It was like an excerpt of one of the tracks on the album."

edit: whoops, didn't see your post, Niall.

Jobby
29-06-2012, 02:31 PM
Or maybe the song just isn't called Unsustainable.

Which is basically what I said :erm:

i.wish.i.RAWR!
29-06-2012, 06:55 PM
I still don't really see that as solid confirmation, though I did miss that part of the interview the first time. It might have just been a slight slip up since everyone has been referring to just the "dubstep" part. It very likely could be one track, and the synth buildup does provide some evidence of that, but I don't think we can really know for sure at this point. I was hoping there were 2 separate songs there, because would've liked to hear the orchestral part with vocals and the rest of the band joining in. :shrug:

juscoo
11-07-2012, 07:24 PM
All I want from life is this orchestral bit to be the intro to the concert, with them behind the curtains, and when the bass drops so do the curtains.

My god all of the emotions that would hit me seeing that live.

Alec.
11-07-2012, 07:26 PM
Guys, for all we know this might be the equivalent to "Genesis" on Immersion. Let's wait and see.

bILLOO
11-07-2012, 08:32 PM
Guys, for all we know this might be the equivalent to "Genesis" on Immersion. Let's wait and see.

And what a great album that is.

Jedi of Cydonia
11-07-2012, 08:39 PM
I thought I would see how long all the music from the sheet music would take to try and see if the orchestral part is a different song from the dubstep or not but unfortunatley the results weren't extremely conclusive. :(

the tempo of the strings is roughly 130 bpm (beats ber minute). and there are 44 bars visible (with 4 beats each) from the sheet music so if those 3 pages were all there was to the orchestral bit that would be 176 beats which divided by 130 bpm is about 1 and half minutes. so those 3 pages are most likely all of the strings that are included in the trailer.

but...it looks like maybe the page folds over and continues for a few pages and it wouldn't make much sense for the strings to just have a bunch of pages of sheet music where they don't do anything for the "dubstep" part.

Killer Rabbit
13-07-2012, 08:30 AM
I was more intrigued by the bass, drum and guitar riffage in the trailer than the strings. Hell, even the prelude to Survival does nothing for me. I do however love the instrument wanking that goes on in that song, though.

I'm personally hoping that this album will be more heavier in terms of guitar, bass and drum sounds over more orchestral string arrangements that could fit in a Steven Spielberg movie.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

CarrieB
18-07-2012, 09:37 AM
I so hope there is more of the orchestral bit. I think it is very beautiful, and makes me feel emotional, but on the trailer it is much too short, so I hope the trailer is just an excerpt.

I also hope they bring in an orchestra this time. I think they will do the dubstep bit live, but obviously they can't do the orchestral bit. It could easily build to a rock piece, as yet unheard, that they could perform though.

I think Matt has taken influences from his involvement in writing for movies. It does remind me a little of the piece he was involved in for The International. It may have given him greater expertise. I think he mentioned that he had learnt a lot from the experience.

Keth
18-07-2012, 01:26 PM
Someone already must have typed something like this before..

But I think the orchestral bit and the last part are completely different songs. Supremacy and Unsustainable. They might have just merged it up for the trailer.. that's all. I mean I dunno. I could be wrong. It just feels like that