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kev
06-06-2012, 01:07 PM
discuss

Dee3Dee
06-06-2012, 01:19 PM
Gravity.

WUBWUBWUB.

Niall
06-06-2012, 01:21 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics :)

questions is, how do they relate to the music?

James.
06-06-2012, 01:23 PM
Asimov.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_laws_of_robotics

jackparker
06-06-2012, 01:25 PM
Speechless. I really do not know what to say.

The Dubstep bit shocked me at first, I suppose it will need taking used to :/

Well we'll see what the rest brings!

kev
06-06-2012, 01:28 PM
oh thermodynamics duh :$

Unknown (or Dan To You)
06-06-2012, 01:29 PM
In the video they're referring to Entropy, which is part of the second law of Thermodynamics.

Basically the entropy of an isolated system will increase over time. This explains why time doesn't run backwards, among other things.

It's very hard to explain but one of the other things that stems from the second law is that everything in the universe tends towards maximum disorder or minimum energy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(order_and_disorder)

Conversely among us Chemistry students, the second law of Thermodynamics is that no-one understands thermodynamics ;)

interpolpirate
06-06-2012, 01:29 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics :)

questions is, how do they relate to the music?

Seems like a The Resistance style statement to me.
"Isolated systems spontaneously evolve towards thermal equilibrium -- the state of maximum entropy of the system"
Entropy means disorder or chaos, so it looks to me like a reference to the banking crisis and london riots etc.
So yeah I expect more lyrics in line with the songs on TR. With more wub-wub this time though, apparently.

Luxemburger Queen
06-06-2012, 01:29 PM
oh kev :LOL:

Kavo
06-06-2012, 01:51 PM
Here was me thinking it was the phonetic spelling of "lá." Irish word for day.

AloFury
06-06-2012, 02:28 PM
The 2nd rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club!

Interesting as to why Matt chose this theme as the crux of the album.. Guess it means we're all heading into ultimate destruction.. Might as well have fun along the way

Shrinking Universe
06-06-2012, 02:28 PM
In the video they're referring to Entropy, which is part of the second law of Thermodynamics.

Basically the entropy of an isolated system will increase over time. This explains why time doesn't run backwards, among other things.

It's very hard to explain but one of the other things that stems from the second law is that everything in the universe tends towards maximum disorder or minimum energy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(order_and_disorder)

Conversely among us Chemistry students, the second law of Thermodynamics is that no-one understands thermodynamics ;)

As I posted in the thread where nobody will read a post because it moves too quickly, I dislike explaining the 2nd law of thermodynamics as the degree of disorder increasing with time. Entropy is more accurately explained as the degree of randomisation - I know, some of you will find this semantics ;). The 2nd law is nothing more than statistics... the chance of a system not appearing randomised is usually extremely low, and if it does, it won't take long before it reattains the randomised state.

DreamOutLoud
06-06-2012, 02:50 PM
Asimov.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_laws_of_robotics

hmm this one I like. :D

Niall
06-06-2012, 03:01 PM
I wrote this elsewhere:

I genuinely have no idea. Matt seems to have mistaken the economy for a closed system, which it is not. The inputs fluctuate daily and it is where our economy is derived from. There are constantly new sources of wealth flowing in form new mineral discoveries to emerging technologies and the resources that generate the economy occupy many more dimensions tham simple statistical descriptions of exchanges of temperature and pressure, from the direct mineral and resource inputs like oil, gold and food to the more abstract ones like services, taxation, gambling, dissipation of wealth among growing populations and investments.

In a way if you were to cut off all economic inputs and left the economy to simply be an exchange of existing resource, which makes no tangible sense, in a very laisssez faire libertarian regime, I would imagine that wealth would eventually become accumulated by a few and not at all entropic, so even on that level the analogy doesn't work.

Matt, consult a physicist like myself or Shrinking Universe next time :LOL:

Jordimuse
06-06-2012, 03:36 PM
The second law states that the changes in entropy is always equal or bigger than zero.

Entropy is an measure for disorder. The nature is aiming for more disorder, and in the end there will be chaos.

Anxyous
06-06-2012, 03:37 PM
Lead single:

They be takin' all our moneeeeyyy!
Them fat cats got to die!
It's a process with positive entropyyyyy!
We have to say goodbye!

:\mm/:

Wingardium LevioSIA
06-06-2012, 03:42 PM
Yeah I recognised it straight away. The stuff about entropy and mentions of energy in the video go with that. And people are saying one of the tracks is called Unsustainable or something? So that fits with ideas about an energy crisis. It sounds like an interesting concept.

Niall
06-06-2012, 03:54 PM
The second law states that the changes in entropy is always equal or bigger than zero.

Entropy is an measure for disorder. The nature is aiming for more disorder, and in the end there will be chaos.

Sort of true. In a closed system. This only works in closed systems. The solar system is nearly closed, for example. The sun tends towards higher entropy while there are islands of decreasing entropy as a result of the energy exchange, for example, Earth, where life decreases the overall entropy of Earth by using the energy to do work and become more ordered.

And the universe overall tends towards entropy assuming the universe is energetically isolated - the result will be heat death.

Red Muse
06-06-2012, 08:03 PM
Entropy!? :stunned:
OMG they stole my idea:

Cover I made from years ago....
http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/40/fe31e97cc6af75acec19189f3cb8d8e0/l.jpg

I'm speechless.

Hyper
06-06-2012, 08:29 PM
Asimov.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_laws_of_robotics

yes, i had the same idea when I saw the robot in the trailer :LOL:

Kueller917
06-06-2012, 08:30 PM
Yeah I recognised it straight away. The stuff about entropy and mentions of energy in the video go with that. And people are saying one of the tracks is called Unsustainable or something? So that fits with ideas about an energy crisis. It sounds like an interesting concept.

A bit irrelevant but talking about entropy with your avatar is strangely fitting.

spark_
07-06-2012, 10:40 AM
1. you can't win
2. you must lose
3. you can't quit

Museic Syndrome
07-06-2012, 10:41 AM
Entropy!? :stunned:
OMG they stole my idea:

Cover I made from years ago....
http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/40/fe31e97cc6af75acec19189f3cb8d8e0/l.jpg

I'm speechless.

OK wow. And that's awesome.

madzip
07-06-2012, 10:53 AM
Kirky is a troll!

CarpetBomber
07-06-2012, 09:06 PM
Yeah I recognised it straight away. The stuff about entropy and mentions of energy in the video go with that. And people are saying one of the tracks is called Unsustainable or something? So that fits with ideas about an energy crisis. It sounds like an interesting concept.

I reckon the song is going to be called Pure Unsustainable. Cool name.

Hopix
08-06-2012, 01:31 AM
Do people actually know for sure what laws the album title refers to? Or is this just speculation?

stardust123
08-06-2012, 02:45 AM
The Killers - Battle Born

i.wish.i.RAWR!
08-06-2012, 02:50 AM
Do people actually know for sure what laws the album title refers to? Or is this just speculation?

Definitely thermodynamics. That's sort of what the news reporter in the video is talking about.

spark_
08-06-2012, 02:59 AM
Not to mention the fact the timer is titled 'entropy'

RayFan9876
08-06-2012, 08:21 AM
One cannot determine what the first law is until all other laws are found. How many laws are there? Definitely more than one. Take heed.

spark_
08-06-2012, 10:12 AM
there is a zeroth law as well

Hyper
08-06-2012, 01:48 PM
Do people actually know for sure what laws the album title refers to? Or is this just speculation?
it is open to interpretation
could be the second commandment too :D

Shrinking Universe
08-06-2012, 02:04 PM
it is open to interpretation

Not really.

Hyper
08-06-2012, 02:12 PM
Not really.

we have not heard anything affirmative about that. and if it was, it would be called "the 2nd law of thermodynamics"

i.wish.i.RAWR!
08-06-2012, 02:18 PM
we have not heard anything affirmative about that. and if it was, it would be called "the 2nd law of thermodynamics"

Matt's tweets were about thermodynamics. The news reporter was reading the same thing. The countdown has entropy next to it. I don't think it can get any more confirmed than that.

fabripav
08-06-2012, 02:18 PM
we have not heard anything affirmative about that. and if it was, it would be called "the 2nd law of thermodynamics"

:facepalm:

Alec.
08-06-2012, 02:23 PM
I wrote this elsewhere:

(summat)

Matt, consult a physicist like myself or Shrinking Universe next time :LOL:

Fair point and I agree with your argument, but in reality it doesn't matter if he's wrong, just as long as the music's ace. Besides, plenty of decent sci-fi and disaster stories are premised on a load of balls ;)

I think robots would make sense. I know it's cringey, but I'm gonna go out there and say they might've struck on that theme (if that's it) because of its ties to the electronic direction.

Dee3Dee
08-06-2012, 03:19 PM
we have not heard anything affirmative about that. and if it was, it would be called "the 2nd law of thermodynamics"

I swear to God this board is getting dumber by the minute.

Shrinking Universe
08-06-2012, 03:39 PM
we have not heard anything affirmative about that. and if it was, it would be called "the 2nd law of thermodynamics"

Baldrick, you wouldn't see a cunning plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing "Cunning plans are here again!"

Niall
08-06-2012, 03:47 PM
Maybe Knights of Cydonia was about the Cydonia that isn't on Mars but a different one that isn't on the album cover. It isn't called "Knights of Cydonia on Mars". It's open to interpretation.

Maybe HAARP stands for Hyper Active Audio Re-play and has nothing to do with the H.A.A.R.P. installation. It isn't called "The US Air Force ionospheric research facility HAARP". It's open to interpretation.

Maybe Stockholm Syndrome isn't about the condition known as Stockholm Syndrome from the hostage event in Stockholm. It isn't called "The psychological condition called Stockholm Syndrome where you fall in love with your captor". It's open to interpretation.

This is a fun game.

Tilly
08-06-2012, 05:13 PM
Baldrick, you wouldn't see a cunning plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing "Cunning plans are here again!"

:LOL:

I'm going to sing that all day now.

Alec.
08-06-2012, 09:59 PM
Maybe Stockholm Syndrome isn't about the condition known as Stockholm Syndrome from the hostage event in Stockholm. It isn't called "The psychological condition called Stockholm Syndrome where you fall in love with your captor". It's open to interpretation.

This is a fun game.

I always thought that was about propaganda and surveillance- Stockholm Syndrome on a national scale or greater.

I want this to be based on the Asimov Laws- we get plenty of this neo-Malthusian stuff from other bands.

The 3 Muse Men
08-06-2012, 10:18 PM
Seems like a The Resistance style statement to me.
"Isolated systems spontaneously evolve towards thermal equilibrium -- the state of maximum entropy of the system"
Entropy means disorder or chaos, so it looks to me like a reference to the banking crisis and london riots etc.
So yeah I expect more lyrics in line with the songs on TR. With more wub-wub this time though, apparently.

I love the WUB WUB. Beats DERG DERG every time :p

Alec.
08-06-2012, 10:24 PM
I love the WUB WUB. Beats DERG DERG every time :p

Better than numetal DRRRN DRN DRN DRRRF for sure.

Kavo
09-06-2012, 01:16 PM
HAARP = Hey, Aliens Are Really Perverted.

Tim59
09-06-2012, 01:52 PM
'Hoes Are Apparantly Reproductive Predators' always seemed the obvious meaning to me :erm:

Hyper
13-06-2012, 07:58 PM
Matt's tweets were about thermodynamics. The news reporter was reading the same thing. The countdown has entropy next to it. I don't think it can get any more confirmed than that.

So what? now we are completely abiding by his tweets, it's kind of narrow-minded


I swear to God this board is getting dumber by the minute.

since 2009 you mean? :rolleyes:

Dave
13-06-2012, 08:00 PM
The first rule of thermodynamics: We don't talk about thermodynamics

Hyper
13-06-2012, 08:02 PM
Maybe Knights of Cydonia was about the Cydonia that isn't on Mars but a different one that isn't on the album cover. It isn't called "Knights of Cydonia on Mars". It's open to interpretation.

Maybe HAARP stands for Hyper Active Audio Re-play and has nothing to do with the H.A.A.R.P. installation. It isn't called "The US Air Force ionospheric research facility HAARP". It's open to interpretation.

Maybe Stockholm Syndrome isn't about the condition known as Stockholm Syndrome from the hostage event in Stockholm. It isn't called "The psychological condition called Stockholm Syndrome where you fall in love with your captor". It's open to interpretation.

This is a fun game.

and what is H8?? and why? is there a dissertation on that topic???

I always thought that was about propaganda and surveillance- Stockholm Syndrome on a national scale or greater.

I want this to be based on the Asimov Laws- we get plenty of this neo-Malthusian stuff from other bands.

exactly, just like MK Ultra is related to 1984 only in a general sense of mind control

Hyper
14-06-2012, 06:15 PM
Matt's tweets were about thermodynamics. The news reporter was reading the same thing. The countdown has entropy next to it. I don't think it can get any more confirmed than that.

http://s16.postimage.org/whc3051md/51_Thu_4_Oi_PL_BO2_204_203_200_PIsitb_sticker_arro .jpg (http://postimage.org/)


ha!
http://www.amazon.com/The-Second-Law-Economics-Collection/dp/1441993649

Dee3Dee
14-06-2012, 10:33 PM
I can't find a facepalm that's big enough.

Luxemburger Queen
14-06-2012, 10:35 PM
I can't find a facepalm that's big enough.

have some hiddles
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab52/potver-dorie/gifs/omg.gif

fabripav
14-06-2012, 10:40 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3f678KggH1robb62.gif

Hyper
15-06-2012, 02:08 PM
I can't find a facepalm that's big enough.

are you a robot?

Dee3Dee
15-06-2012, 02:12 PM
are you a robot?

Would that turn you on?

Hyper
15-06-2012, 02:20 PM
I can't find a facepalm that's big enough.

how about this one, it looks sort of like two facepalms, but also like the tits on my avatar

http://s16.postimage.org/g6tu9mv35/b0243470a57f.jpg

Dee3Dee
15-06-2012, 02:21 PM
how about this one, it looks sort of like two facepalms, but also like the tits on my avatar

http://s16.postimage.org/g6tu9mv35/b0243470a57f.jpg

Not big enough.

But I approve.

fabripav
15-06-2012, 02:48 PM
how about this one, it looks sort of like two facepalms, but also like the tits on my avatar

http://s16.postimage.org/g6tu9mv35/b0243470a57f.jpg

:LOL:

Tjet
15-06-2012, 02:50 PM
I will never again see the facepalm smiley as anything other than someone grabbing a boob.

Dee3Dee
15-06-2012, 03:25 PM
I will never again see the facepalm smiley as anything other than someone grabbing a boob.

I think it makes the facepalm smiley that much better.

Hyper
15-06-2012, 03:51 PM
I will never again see the facepalm smiley as anything other than someone grabbing a boob.

that was my intention, we use the smiley on our forum to soften situations

kinda like bonobos have sex before dinner :rolleyes: