Map of the Problematique guitar sound

[Str4t0c4st3r]

Hey there,

at first, im new in this Forum, and i'm from Austria (not Australia, lol) so, im sorry for my bad english.
I've been a MUSE fan for more than 2 years right now, and in can't stop listening :) and i'm a guitarist and i love playing and covering muse.

Well.. my question is : how can i make the map of the proplematique guitar sound?
yes, i know that there are many threads with this question. im serious, i've read a lot of posts with the same question, but i'm not able to find out what i am doing wrong.

equipment : BOSS ME-70, digitech whammy
i already know that i need a programm which one i can control the whammy via MIDI. and theres my problem, i think. i tried a lot of programs, but most of the time the whammy didnt respone to that or i didnt know how to use the program, lol
lets say, a FREE! software. I also read that a lot of people are using cubase but.. a bit expensive, huh?
it would give me a great pleasure if there are any guitarist who can help me or doing a step-by-step instruction what i need and what i have to do (..for dummies.)

i hope my english is not that bad and i wish you a nice day :)
thanks

[james90]

what program(s) are you using now, and how do you have the whammy hooked up to your computer?

[Str4t0c4st3r]

I didn't find many free software yet, but i tried it with a Guitar Rig demo (but i dont had enough time :D) Reaper (but i dont know how to use it) and a few others..
The whammy is connected with a USB-MIDI cable

[james90]

I didn't find many free software yet, but i tried it with a Guitar Rig demo (but i dont had enough time :D) Reaper (but i dont know how to use it) and a few others..
The whammy is connected with a USB-MIDI cable

Well all you need is a MIDI sequencer. Are you using a PC or a mac?

[Str4t0c4st3r]

Windows 7 64Bit

[L.Valencia]

The closest sounding/least expensive way to get the MOTP sound is to go to this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/user/aorfix ask for the midi file, I don't know if I'm supposed to say this but when I asked for the midi file he also sent me a Cubase file which I ended up not using but if you ask him for it he might send it to you.

Once you get the midi file and Cubase, you hook up your midi cable to your whammy and then to your computer, open up Cubase and load the midi file, make sure your midi cable is being recognized, once it is you just press the play button and off you go. Also make sure your whammy is on and the treadle is pushed down to the toe position.

[Dominic.]

The closest sounding/least expensive way to get the MOTP sound is to go to this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/user/aorfix ask for the midi file, I don't know if I'm supposed to say this but when I asked for the midi file he also sent me a Cubase file which I ended up not using but if you ask him for it he might send it to you.

Once you get the midi file and Cubase, you hook up your midi cable to your whammy and then to your computer, open up Cubase and load the midi file, make sure your midi cable is being recognized, once it is you just press the play button and off you go. Also make sure your whammy is on and the treadle is pushed down to the toe position.

I can recommend Aorfix

[bucket_]

I can recommend Aorfix

Me too, it's great. I got nowhere near it.

[Matthijs]

Merge? (http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=31760&highlight=problematique)

[Str4t0c4st3r]

Thanks everyone.
I wrote aorfix a message one week ago.. he didnt write back yet.
But thanks anyway :)

[Kueller917]

I didn't find many free software yet, but i tried it with a Guitar Rig demo (but i dont had enough time :D) Reaper (but i dont know how to use it) and a few others..
The whammy is connected with a USB-MIDI cable

I actually use Reaper more than Cubase. I'd like to know if it's possible to do MIDI commands in Reaper. I can never get it to work :$

[Tom!]

I actually use Reaper more than Cubase. I'd like to know if it's possible to do MIDI commands in Reaper. I can never get it to work :$

It is and I've done the whole motp thing in reaper. Create a new midi track and view it in event view then insert the appropriate cc messages.

[Jobby]

Ok I just got a Digitech Whammy for christmas. I've never used MIDI before or any guitar software so I could really do with a step-by-step of what to do if anyone has the time :$

I've checked out Cubase as well, bit too expensive to be honest, I need something free if possible.

[Matthijs]

Merge? (http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=31760&highlight=problematique)

Ok I just got a Digitech Whammy for christmas. I've never used MIDI before or any guitar software so I could really do with a step-by-step of what to do if anyone has the time :$

I've checked out Cubase as well, bit too expensive to be honest, I need something free if possible.

Read through this thread.

Not sure about free midi controlling programs though.

[Tom!]

Use Reaper. I must have recommended Reaper about a million times on this board now.

[Dominic.]

The answer to everytihng MOTP related is aorfix, even the software


I just recorded a cover of MOTP which I'll upload in a sec. Uses Aorfix's stuff

[Olly.]

http://soundcloud.com/eatenbyghosts/map-of-the-synth

[Dominic.]

http://soundcloud.com/eatenbyghosts/map-of-the-synth

Stealing my thunder bitch :phu:

[haze015]

Did this a while ago with a vocoder - http://www.sendspace.com/file/acbq0b

Didn't have an amp sim at the time, but you get the idea. Do remember reading that they got the sound in a similar way, rather than with a Whammy or any other form of pitchshifting.

[Dominic.]

We really need a Soundcloud embed option on here

http://soundcloud.com/d0mgreen/motp

As you can see by the waveform I have taken inspiration from the production of BH&R to have it all very COMPRESSED

[They]

I've checked out Cubase as well, bit too expensive to be honest, I need something free if possible.

Is mentioning the notion of Cubase potentially being free taboo?

[Olly.]

We really need a Soundcloud embed option on here

http://soundcloud.com/d0mgreen/motp

As you can see by the waveform I have taken inspiration from the production of BH&R to have it all very COMPRESSED


what tab do you use?

[Dominic.]

what tab do you use?

I use a combination of some tabs I've found online and stuff I worked out myself from a certain video (think it's one of Pip's from Stade de Suisse). I posted it on here somewhere I'll have a look for it. As far as I can tell apart from the little fill bits it's accurate as to what he played in 2010

[Tom!]

Anyone got Aorfix's midi file and are willing to upload it somewhere where we can grab it?

[Dominic.]

what tab do you use?
Had to go back 5 pages to find the right thread, but this is what I posted a while ago

Seriously the amount of searching it took me to find this...It's kind of a blend between studio and live version. Most of it is what he plays live, but like the last four bars and four bars in the middle where live he does some bends and shit I just put in what he plays on the album

Tuning is CADGBe obviously
Intro:
D--5--5--5--5--
A--3--3--3--3--
Intro after the intro which isn't quite the intro but I'll call it the intro anyway:
C--0--3--8--5--
Verse:
e---------------------------------
B------------(3)--4--4--4--6--
G--5--5--5--5--5--5--5--5---
D--5--5--6--3----------6--3---
A--3--6----------3--6-----------
C----------------------------------
Pre-chorus & Chorus:
A--3--6--11-8--
C--0--3--8---5--
Random 4 bars in the middle (obviously he plays this different live)
D--5--5--5--5--
A--3--3--3--3--
C--0--0--0--0--
Then this again:
A--3--6--11-8--
C--0--3--8---5--
Second Verse:
e---------------------------------
B------------(3)--4--4--4--6--
G--5--5--5--5--5--5--5--5---
D--5--5--6--3----------6--3---
A--3--6----------3--6-----------
C----------------------------------
Le slow chorus:
e--8----11--11---8---
B--8----8----9----9---
G--8----8----8---10--
D--10---8---10--10--
Outro (again, he'd play something else live, but this is more similar to the studio version):
A--3--3--3--3--
C--0--0--0--0--

Judge for yourselves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsNCLUrWyZc&feature=player_embedded

Anyone got Aorfix's midi file and are willing to upload it somewhere where we can grab it?
I might have it in my YouTube inbox actually...
Re:MOTP file
Cubase 5 Portable -> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=F8EEXL0Y It was on btjunkie torrent site but it's gone now. It's portable, so no installation needed. The file say Photos from Wedding, only for precaution and not to be blocked. It's on .rar, so you need winrar or 7zip to extract it. Extract it, run Cubase5.exe and the program will run perfectly.

Map of the Problematique Cubase File Here is the Cubase file with everything (midi track and the original by muse) -> (Map of the Problematique version 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T9PH5ZS7
-> the file is the "motp work on 2"

Recently I've updated the midi track to a new version ;)
(Map of the Problematique Version 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2M5JZBU9
-> The file is "motp work on 3-01

You only need to open the file and press play. Don't forget to connect your midi cable (like the M-Audio Uno Usb/Midi) to the digitech whammy 4 by the Midi In and to press your Whammy pedal down ;)

If anyone thinks I should remove that then just tell me. I'm only pasting it here since he seems willing to let people have it anyway, just no one can seem to get hold of him at the moment. To be honest I don't even know if the links still work

[Lozo]

Or you can buy the Molten MIDI 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtAxs0ZeKGU

[Kueller917]

Bumping this thread to further ask about this. Someone's recommended Reaper a while ago but I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out how to get the CC to work.. I have no idea what I'm doing and haven't really found a tutorial or anything.


I might have it in my YouTube inbox actually...
Re:MOTP file
Cubase 5 Portable -> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=F8EEXL0Y It was on btjunkie torrent site but it's gone now. It's portable, so no installation needed. The file say Photos from Wedding, only for precaution and not to be blocked. It's on .rar, so you need winrar or 7zip to extract it. Extract it, run Cubase5.exe and the program will run perfectly.

Map of the Problematique Cubase File Here is the Cubase file with everything (midi track and the original by muse) -> (Map of the Problematique version 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T9PH5ZS7
-> the file is the "motp work on 2"

Recently I've updated the midi track to a new version ;)
(Map of the Problematique Version 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2M5JZBU9
-> The file is "motp work on 3-01

You only need to open the file and press play. Don't forget to connect your midi cable (like the M-Audio Uno Usb/Midi) to the digitech whammy 4 by the Midi In and to press your Whammy pedal down ;)

Megaupload...

[Dominic.]

Olol. To be fair I did make that post 20 days before it got taken down

[Dudge]

I'm with Lozo on this one..I was going to recommend the Molten midi 2..there is also a vid on there that shows exactly how easy it is to program as well. We have covered both bases for playing live as we are adding this to our set. I have programmed the guitar effect in logic to run with our backing track in case the Molten Midi doesn't work as we hope live. I will stick our backing track (work in progress not finished yet) on soundcloud...I have put down a rough bass and drum part to it to make sure that it all works....Live the drums and bass will be removed obviously...see what you think..

[Dudge]

This is the start of our MOTP backing track for using live. There is bass and drums on here which will be taken out for live use. No guitar or vocals on this version. There is a little bit of work needed as one of the synth lines tends to wander in and out..but this will be edited out for the final version.

This track is written from scratch by me...as you can hear the guitar effect is replicated using synth sounds..and is actually really close to the original sound that Matt gets.Ideally in a live situation we would use something like the Molten midi as it will alter the actual sound of Pauls guitar and so will be much more "real" .

Hope you like..comments or questions welcomed..:D

http://soundcloud.com/hypermused/muse-map-of-the-problematique

[Dominic.]

This is the start of our MOTP backing track for using live. There is bass and drums on here which will be taken out for live use. No guitar or vocals on this version. There is a little bit of work needed as one of the synth lines tends to wander in and out..but this will be edited out for the final version.

This track is written from scratch by me...as you can hear the guitar effect is replicated using synth sounds..and is actually really close to the original sound that Matt gets.Ideally in a live situation we would use something like the Molten midi as it will alter the actual sound of Pauls guitar and so will be much more "real" .

Hope you like..comments or questions welcomed..:D

http://soundcloud.com/hypermused/muse-map-of-the-problematique
I made a MOTP MIDI track recently for a MIDI assignment I was given on my Music Tech course, this is the backing track that I'm planning to use live for something with guitar, bass and drums removed. Gonna tweak a few bits but otherwise yeah

http://soundcloud.com/d0mgreen/motp-synth-backing

It's much more synth orientated though. Full track can be seen on my soundcloud as well

Actually my bad, that does have bass in

[Dudge]

Cool.
How did you embed your soundcloud file...code or is it more simple than that?
Cheers

[Dominic.]

Cool.
How did you embed your soundcloud file...code or is it more simple than that?
Cheers

Oh it's really simple now! Got introduced at the beginning of this year

You can quote my post to see it, or otherwise it's

[soundcloud] link here [/s oundcloud]

Without the space in the last bracket :)

[Dudge]

Lush...Thanks thats dead easy!

MOTP Backing track for live use by Hypermused

http://soundcloud.com/hypermused/muse-map-of-the-problematique

[Novak the Muse fan]

Hi,I am new here :) I dont know anything about guitar effects ,but I would like to play Map of the problematique.I got all of the equipment needed to play it,I just need a MIDI file.I sent a message to aorfix ,but he didnt reply.Could I maybe make that effect using cubase?

[shuggy_r]

Has anyone on the forum actually managed to do it with a nord g2 yet?

[Matthijs]

Has anyone on the forum actually tried to do it with a nord g2 yet?

fixed that for you ;)

[Rav]

Hey guys,

so I set up my own octave-sequencer thingie on my digitech RP355 the following way:

-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0

(0 stands for whammy off position)

but every fourth bar on this song (except for the intro) goes a little bit different and I just can't figure it out. I've been looking around on google for quite a while but nothing useful. can anyone help?

Edit:

Alright guys, I just found it on muselive. If anyone is interested, the fourth bar goes like this:

+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0

(or at least sounded pretty good to me)

[james90]

I sort of gave up on it, but I asked aorfix on youtube about that a while back...


There are two more variations:

off up off down off up off down off down off up off down off up

and

off up off down off up off up off down off up off down off up

[Dillyracer]

Hey guys,

so I set up my own octave-sequencer thingie on my digitech RP355 the following way:

-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0

(0 stands for whammy off position)

but every fourth bar on this song (except for the intro) goes a little bit different and I just can't figure it out. I've been looking around on google for quite a while but nothing useful. can anyone help?

Edit:

Alright guys, I just found it on muselive. If anyone is interested, the fourth bar goes like this:

+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0

(or at least sounded pretty good to me)

Is that octave sequencer only on the 355 and up? I have a RP350 but I don't think I can do that.

[Rav]

I actually connect the unit to my notebook via USB and I do it the tricky way. I think you can do it with a MIDI cable (you'd have to mess around a bit tho) but I didn't have one on my hands so I decided it would be ok if I created a bot. :$ I set it up like a sequencer, so every 119 milliseconds (witch is set to 125 bpm, -1 MS because of the delay) it switches the whammy. What almost made me tear is that it works perfectly. Actually fits the whole song throughout. The bot you have to programme this in is called AC Tool, very useful little tool and pretty easy to use.

Send me a message if you're interested, I'm happy to help you out!
Thank you James btw.

[Samz2]

Would anyone mind re-uploading a MoTP Midi file? All links posted previously seem to be down, and I want to try this effect out for myself. Thanks!

[james90]

Would anyone mind re-uploading a MoTP Midi file? All links posted previously seem to be down, and I want to try this effect out for myself. Thanks!

Which one?

I don't have a single MIDI file, but I have an entire cubase project for it...can't remember who I got it from, but it seems pretty accurate.

[Dominic.]

Which one?

I don't have a single MIDI file, but I have an entire cubase project for it...can't remember who I got it from, but it seems pretty accurate.

Yeah, that's probably the Aorfix one? I got one from him and that's a Cubase project. I've been meaning to make one myself/some general MIDI projects to control a whammy on Ableton for a while

Any experience with that NeilDOT?

[StandYourGround]

Back in the day, I used to use a Korg Ax3000g which had a step sequencer in it which you could use to control its on board pitchshifter. It was only an 8step one sadly but I've got a setting which is pretty close to MoTP.
Only trouble is syncing it up with a backing track or even a click track for that matter. Anybody got any ideas?
Also, (this seems obvious to me) since people are going to the trouble of taking a PC out to gigs with them. Would it not make more sense to run a virtual pitchshifter into a sequencer rather than trailing a whammy out and using MIDI cables? Or would having to use an audio interface live mess with levels?
Can someone also explain how you can run this effect in a DAW and have it sync up? Like step-by-step? Because I don't even know where to start :L I'm probably most comfortable on Pro Tools but have used ableton in the past briefly.

[Dave.]

Its as simple as this. It would sound terrible. A MIDI controlled whammy is still a physical guitar pedal which runs into genuine effects and amps wg
which we all know sounds good. Running the whole thing through a computer is just asking for terrible digital tone.

[StandYourGround]

Its as simple as this. It would sound terrible. A MIDI controlled whammy is still a physical guitar pedal which runs into genuine effects and amps wg
which we all know sounds good. Running the whole thing through a computer is just asking for terrible digital tone.

But all the cubase session is doing is acting as a backing track and sending MIDI commands to the Whammy. Its just controlling it, not actually entering the signal path. No actual audio ever runs through the session from the guitar. Unless of course you mic up your amp and record the thing/

[Kueller917]

Unless of course you mic up your amp and record the thing/

Maybe that's what they did?

[Tom!]

Its as simple as this. It would sound terrible. A MIDI controlled whammy is still a physical guitar pedal which runs into genuine effects and amps wg
which we all know sounds good. Running the whole thing through a computer is just asking for terrible digital tone.

Not true at all! I can do MOTP live using Guitar Rig and I bet you it sounds better than if it was done with a whammy pedal.

[Mobius]

Not true at all! I can do MOTP live using Guitar Rig and I bet you it sounds better than if it was done with a whammy pedal.

I have seen how to do that patch in guitar rig and it does sound fantastic. I guess with the polyphonic whammy you may have a chance to get close to it.

[StandYourGround]

Speaking of MIDI controlled Whammy pedals, a thought came into my head the other day. Why don't they just have their midi loop switching gear and other digital stuff controlled using a DAW like MoTP does with the whammy. They'd just run the MIDI commands alongside the click tracks/backing tracks and neither them or their techs would have to worry about changing between different sounds. They could even do automation. Volume swells, slowly bringing up the level of a reverb etc. All without anyone having to touch anything.

[Dave.]

Because Matt actually uses a pitch shifter in his rack for Motp so doing that would require an entire overhaul of a rig that works perfectly as it is.

[Dominic.]

Because Matt actually uses a pitch shifter in his rack for Motp so doing that would require an entire overhaul of a rig that works perfectly as it is.

Well of course it would require an overhaul. Doesn't change the fact that it's still an (appealing) possibility

[StandYourGround]

Because Matt actually uses a pitch shifter in his rack for Motp so doing that would require an entire overhaul of a rig that works perfectly as it is.

Not really, as long as the Whammy doesn't require the same MIDI channel as the loop switcher, it shouldn't be a problem. I think that's maybe why he hasn't done it yet.
I was trying to figure out how I'd run my rig+loop switcher with MIDI commands and it would work as long as my M13 and the loop switcher (would be a Voodoo Lab gcx in this case) were operating on different MIDI channels. The GCX only accepts MIDI channel 16. While muse don't use these particular switchers, they probably have the same restriction. Meaning that if Matt ran his rig entirely through MIDI commands, Chris couldn't.

[Phill]

i hate that idea. it would make there shows even more controlled, scripted and stale than they've already become...

[Mobius]

Just got a quick question, has anyone got the midi file to control the whammy for this to hand? I would like to give it a go. :LOL:

Edit: Techno wizardry skills and google led me to write my own!

[Mobius]

Apologies for the double post. But unsurprisingly really it sounds awful when you play chords, anyone tried it with a Whammy DT/V to see if it fares better?

Its mainly out of curiosity, I've just been using it at an exercise to program a whammy tonight.

[Samz2]

Use Reaper. I must have recommended Reaper about a million times on this board now.

I've been trying to get this working in Reaper for a while, and just haven't managed to get it... Does anyone have a MOTP Reaper file they would be willing to send? I would really appreciate help with this song.

[Mobius]

I've been trying to get this working in Reaper for a while, and just haven't managed to get it... Does anyone have a MOTP Reaper file they would be willing to send? I would really appreciate help with this song.

I've just pm'd you a link to my MIDI file. You'll need to drag the file into a new track and it shall automatically stick it in a MIDI track for you in reaper. :)

[Kueller917]

I've just pm'd you a link to my MIDI file. You'll need to drag the file into a new track and it shall automatically stick it in a MIDI track for you in reaper. :)

Just asking can I have it also please? I've been having trouble getting it to work so I'd like to see if maybe I just did the MIDI track wrong.

[sergeykarakich]

Someone tried to use the Clavia Nord Modular G2? I want to hear how it sounds!:)

[sergeykarakich]

And what do you think about the Eventide PitchFactor Stompbox? I think it can be used for MOTP...
http://www.pedalgeek.com/images/product_pics/et/etpf_big.jpg
$500
Features:
10 of Eventide’s signature stereo or mono pitch+delay effects:
Diatonic
PitchFlex™
Quadravox™
Octaver™
HarModulator™
Crystals™
MicroPitch
HarPeggiator™
H910 / H949
Synthonizer™
Up to 4 voices of diatonic pitch shifting and up to 1.5 seconds of stereo delay
Studio quality sound
Guitar or bass compatible
Built-in Tuner
Software upgradeable via USB 2.0
MIDI control via USB or MIDI in, out/thru
Instant program change
Real-time control with 10 knobs, MIDI, or expression pedal
Tap tempo and MIDI clock sync
100 factory presets, unlimited through MIDI
True analog bypass
Rugged cast metal construction
Reliable metal footswitches for instant preset access
Mono or stereo operation
Guitar or line level inputs and outputs
Can I use this to make the MOTP effect? Buy it just for this? These characteristics of professional rack pitch shifter:)

[falsettobells]

Use Reaper. I must have recommended Reaper about a million times on this board now.

can you tell me how you got the effect with reaper?
I've a pod hd500 and it has midi.I can't use cubase 5 or 6 because i've a laggy laptop for now.it can only run cubase 4 but it it would be better if its possible to get it through reaper

[cheddatom]

you can use reaper to control MIDI instruments, so you could use it to control your amp. If you already have a MIDI file loaded in Cubase 4, export it and import that to Reaper

[Tom!]

Yeah what Chedda said, just insert the midi commands into reaper and then send them to your device.

[falsettobells]

Yeah what Chedda said, just insert the midi commands into reaper and then send them to your device.

I've a cubase 6 file for the pod that i got from a guy and it wont run on cubase 4 so i don't know how it would be possible then unless i make the midi track in cubase 4 which i'm not that clear how to make

[Tom!]

Enter it manually into Reaper using the midi editor, the pattern for the octaves is in this thread somewhere.

[falsettobells]

I've just pm'd you a link to my MIDI file. You'll need to drag the file into a new track and it shall automatically stick it in a MIDI track for you in reaper. :)

Is it possible you can send the reaper file to me? and also explain how to get it working

[Tom!]

No sorry, I don't actually know where it is as I generally use Guitar Rig for MOTP these days. It's not that hard to figure out with a bit of searching. As long as you have a little knowledge of midi and the cc's you need to be changing you should be fine. Also mine was setup to control a Behringer Virtualizer Pro so the cc's I used probably wont work with the pod.

[falsettobells]

Yeah what Chedda said, just insert the midi commands into reaper and then send them to your device.
Are you talking about this


Hey guys,

so I set up my own octave-sequencer thingie on my digitech RP355 the following way:

-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0

(0 stands for whammy off position)

but every fourth bar on this song (except for the intro) goes a little bit different and I just can't figure it out. I've been looking around on google for quite a while but nothing useful. can anyone help?

Edit:

Alright guys, I just found it on muselive. If anyone is interested, the fourth bar goes like this:

+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0



Can you explain in detail how to enter all of this.I'm new when it comes to DAW softwares

[james90]

Enter it manually into Reaper using the midi editor, the pattern for the octaves is in this thread somewhere.

the ones aorfix gave me (which i posted in this thread) didn't actually work properly. the only way I actually got it working properly was getting the MIDI file off someone....which wouldn't sync with the song for some reason, then I gave up.

the whammy functions are supposedly

off down off up off up off down off up off up off down off up

then there are two variations

off up off down off up off down off down off up off down off up

and

off up off down off up off up off down off up off down off up


so all that really needs to be done is find what numbers are needed for that on the whammy (it should be something like 3, 4, 20, and 21) and put that in the MIDI editor

[Tom!]

Are you talking about this


Hey guys,

so I set up my own octave-sequencer thingie on my digitech RP355 the following way:

-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0

(0 stands for whammy off position)

but every fourth bar on this song (except for the intro) goes a little bit different and I just can't figure it out. I've been looking around on google for quite a while but nothing useful. can anyone help?

Edit:

Alright guys, I just found it on muselive. If anyone is interested, the fourth bar goes like this:

+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0



Can you explain in detail how to enter all of this.I'm new when it comes to DAW softwares

That's the correct pattern. I have no experience with a pod so you need to find out what cc you need to be changing to control the pitch shifter and what values you need to be sending. Just read some tutorials on Reaper regarding midi and you should be fine. I'm not going to spoon feed you it as I managed to figure it out for myself and so should you.

[falsettobells]

No sorry, I don't actually know where it is as I generally use Guitar Rig for MOTP these days. It's not that hard to figure out with a bit of searching. As long as you have a little knowledge of midi and the cc's you need to be changing you should be fine. Also mine was setup to control a Behringer Virtualizer Pro so the cc's I used probably wont work with the pod.

Can you give me the guitar rig preset?

[falsettobells]

That's the correct pattern. I have no experience with a pod so you need to find out what cc you need to be changing to control the pitch shifter and what values you need to be sending. Just read some tutorials on Reaper regarding midi and you should be fine. I'm not going to spoon feed you it as I managed to figure it out for myself and so should you.

ok i think i'm now starting to understand a bit more so there would be numbers for octave up and octave down in the form of cc messages right?

[Tom!]

Can you give me the guitar rig preset?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfup5VT7o4w

[Kueller917]

http://www.mediafire.com/?6sxfzrwtiwwkbbk

Exported the MIDI file I have from Reaper. Not sure how many commands export with MIDI but maybe it'll work. This is with the whammy though but maybe some adjustments could adapt it to other stuff.

[falsettobells]

http://www.mediafire.com/?6sxfzrwtiwwkbbk

Exported the MIDI file I have from Reaper. Not sure how many commands export with MIDI but maybe it'll work. This is with the whammy though but maybe some adjustments could adapt it to other stuff.

I dont get any sound when i play it why is that?

[Kueller917]

I dont get any sound when i play it why is that?

It's not an audio file, it's just the commands you need to trigger whatever it is you're using. I haven't really been following this conversation so I'm probably not the biggest help. Maybe someone could give a more step by step instruction.

[falsettobells]

It's not an audio file, it's just the commands you need to trigger whatever it is you're using. I haven't really been following this conversation so I'm probably not the biggest help. Maybe someone could give a more step by step instruction.

just to clear out

the corect sequence for the song is

off down off up off up off down off up off up off down off up

then there are two variations

off up off down off up off down off down off up off down off up

and

off up off down off up off up off down off up off down off up


i'll just have to replace this pattern what cc messages pod uses for the off,up and down octaves? if yes then how can i find what cc messages it uses?

[Kueller917]

just to clear out

the corect sequence for the song is

off down off up off up off down off up off up off down off up

then there are two variations

off up off down off up off down off down off up off down off up

and

off up off down off up off up off down off up off down off up


i'll just have to replace this pattern what cc messages pod uses for the off,up and down octaves? if yes then how can i find what cc messages it uses?

I assume the manual should tell you. Or maybe you could search for it. I've never used a Pod.

[falsettobells]

I assume the manual should tell you. Or maybe you could search for it. I've never used a Pod.

but that's what i've to do right? change the sequence of "off,up and down" with their respective cc messages?

[Kueller917]

but that's what i've to do right? change the sequence of "off,up and down" with their respective cc messages?

I assume so.

[falsettobells]

Whats the name of the boss pedal (that ripped off Motp sound) Matt mentioned in Zane's interview?

[JJ]

Whats the name of the boss pedal (that ripped off Motp sound) Matt mentioned in Zane's interview?

The Boss SL-20 Slicer. It's a twin pedal. I think Matt got it wrong on the whole octave shift thing, if I remember correctly, its just a crazy step-filter. Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj7qV76tXH8

Playing starts around 2:20

[JimboMansonMB-1]

Yeah, that's the one I had in mind too

[cheddatom]

yeh I have a slicer but it won't do MOTP IMO (I'm not sure if i've heard the song but i've heard how to make the fucking sound enough, jesus)

It's basically a really advanced sort of tremolo. it does have a couple of "harmonic" settings which add some bloopy sounds, but it's not really pitch shifting your signal.

I'll have a play with it at some point to see if i'm wrong

[JJ]

Slicer...for bass? I'm sure you play guitar too but I do remember you having a crazy-huge bass pedalboard.

I quite liked the idea of the Boss Slicer, but its hella expensive for a kinda one-trick-pony effect.

[cheddatom]

yeh, i use it on bass. I like that it's tap tempo. There are a couple of rythmic patterns I've used, as well as the harmoic one when i'm making noises

[StandYourGround]

Hey, does anyone have the intervals written down for motp? Thinking of using Reaper to trigger the pitch shifter on my M13 but don't know the patterns used for the octave changing.

[arj225]

Is the cubase midi file for the whammy still floating around somewhere?

[Dominic.]

Is the cubase midi file for the whammy still floating around somewhere?

Yeah just message aorfix on YouTube. Unless you already have cubase then you can only work it on Windows computers though

[haze015]

Yeah just message aorfix on YouTube. Unless you already have cubase then you can only work it on Windows computers though

A MIDI file will work on any operating system, along with project files for DAWs that work on different OS.

[Dominic.]

A MIDI file will work on any operating system, along with project files for DAWs that work on different OS.

No he sends you some version of cubase with it to actually open the file with but that Cubase only opens on Windows

[haze015]

No he sends you some version of cubase with it to actually open the file with but that Cubase only opens on Windows

I assume thats the free download of Cubase SX, which should also be available for OSX.

TBH, that seems a stupid idea, just send people the MIDI file, which can be opened in any DAW rather than an 8 year old DAW that's laughable in today's market.

[Mobius]

Speaking of which, has anyone exported it into a midi. I made one, but there is a lot of popping sounds when it goes into bypass mode.

[arj225]

I have cubase 5 installed, so I just need the midi file, messaged aorfix

[haze015]

Speaking of which, has anyone exported it into a midi. I made one, but there is a lot of popping sounds when it goes into bypass mode.

That will be a problem with the Whammy itself, as MIDI is only instructions, not sound.

[Mobius]

That will be a problem with the Whammy itself, as MIDI is only instructions, not sound.

Boo-urns, thought as much.

[Phill]

Try using distortion either in front or after to smooth it out. Works with a killswitch.
The other option is to use treadle at 0 commands instead of bypassing.

[haze015]

The other option is to use treadle at 0 commands instead of bypassing.

Yeah or when doing programme changes, do it when the pedal is in bypass mode rather than at the same time when engaging/disengaging bypass.

[xtinction]

I've just managed to get the MotP sound using Guitar Rig 4, it works great, but there a couple of minor problems I could use some help with: the analogue sequencers I use to sequence my Pitch Pedals run all the time, not just when I'm playing, so the sound isn't always right when I play the first note, how can I fix it so the sound is correct when I start playing? I know there are 2 sequencer patterns for the song and I have them both set up (though I'm not to sure about the second one that runs when you play every 3rd chord/note throughout most of the song, could someone give me the octave pattern for this pattern so I can check I have it right?) I have trouble switching from pattern to pattern smoothly so as to keep in time, I have a foot controller but there's usually just under a second of a delay between me pressing the switch I've set to change patterns and the pattern change actually occuring, any ideas? I was thinking I could have both patterns set up on one sound and use a switch to turn on and off the sequencer for the second pattern, but that would involve leaving both pitch pedals on, which shouldn't be a problem, but the other pedal seems to have an effect on the sound when left on, and if I do the opposite and leave both sequencers on so I can just turn on/off the other pitch pedal, the other sequencer seems to sequence the active pitch pedal whilst that same pedal is being sequenced by the right sequencer, resulting in a really screwed up sound. Any help on any of these problems would be greatly appreciated as I've been wanting to get this sound since I first started playing last year and I'd love to be able to make a decent cover of this song, which isn't really possible if these issues aren't fixed :/ Btw I have a Vintage VRS100 Guitar, Line 6 Spider IV 75 Amp, FBV Express MK II foot controller for the Spider Amp which connects to the computer, sound cable and a computer. Also, I was wondering if it's easier to get the effect in something like Cubase or Reaper? would using one of these get rid of the problems I'm facing in Guitar Rig? I don't have a whammy exactly, but my FBV foot controller has an expression pedal which does what a Whammy does with the Amp, would I be able to use this rather than a Whammy in one of these programs, or is a MIDI-USB connection essential? (FBV has no MIDI jack)

[Phill]

Bs?

[james90]

Hey, at least we got Bs to type in paragraphs

[Matthijs]

@xtinction: they mean your post is: tl;dr.

[xtinction]

tl;dr?.. does tl mean too long?

And does anyone have Guitar Rig 4 settings/patch for the volume swell-type effect just before the vocals kick in? I'm guessing it's an analogue sequencer and a volume pedal but i'm unsure of the settings

[Matthijs]

it means: too long, didn't read. Type in paragraphs :chuckle:

[xtinction]

oh, my bad, I was kinda desperate for help with it so I didn't think about that, well, one of the problems I mentioned has been sorted already, but the other one: the sequencers I use on guitar rig to control the pitch pedals run all the time, not just when I play, so the effect isn't always in time, is there any way to fix this? A way to ensure the sequencers only run when I start playing?

Oh and sorry to be impatient and all, (I've posted this request in the Tab Request thread already) but I really need an MotP guitar backing track for tonight, even if it's just a MIDI one, I can't find, real or MIDI anywhere, any ideas/links?

[Matthijs]

Doesn't a count-down synch the settings?

[xtinction]

Count down? On guitar rig? Either i dont know how to use that or havent foun it yet; im very new to Guitar Rig

[Matthijs]

Oh I naturally assumed you'd use it in Cubase. If you don't, no idea. Sorry!

[xtinction]

aha, no, would it be easier if I used it in Cubase? (however my pitch pedal has no MIDI jack, would that be a problem?)

[Ross0203]

I try the Molten MIDI 2 method but the damn thing doesn't work. I plug it all in but the MM2 is just unresponsive and is always stuck on a yellow/orange light. Anyone know what the problem could be?

[xtinction]

well, aside from the fact I don't have the cash atm to get a Molten MIDI and a Whammy, the MM method doesnt allow you to switch between the 2 pitch shifting patterns does it? that's what Ive been told, so I went for the software option