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Str4t0c4st3r
11-12-2011, 12:58 PM
Hey there,

at first, im new in this Forum, and i'm from Austria (not Australia, lol) so, im sorry for my bad english.
I've been a MUSE fan for more than 2 years right now, and in can't stop listening :) and i'm a guitarist and i love playing and covering muse.

Well.. my question is : how can i make the map of the proplematique guitar sound?
yes, i know that there are many threads with this question. im serious, i've read a lot of posts with the same question, but i'm not able to find out what i am doing wrong.

equipment : BOSS ME-70, digitech whammy
i already know that i need a programm which one i can control the whammy via MIDI. and theres my problem, i think. i tried a lot of programs, but most of the time the whammy didnt respone to that or i didnt know how to use the program, lol
lets say, a FREE! software. I also read that a lot of people are using cubase but.. a bit expensive, huh?
it would give me a great pleasure if there are any guitarist who can help me or doing a step-by-step instruction what i need and what i have to do (..for dummies.)

i hope my english is not that bad and i wish you a nice day :)
thanks

james90
11-12-2011, 05:52 PM
what program(s) are you using now, and how do you have the whammy hooked up to your computer?

Str4t0c4st3r
11-12-2011, 06:15 PM
I didn't find many free software yet, but i tried it with a Guitar Rig demo (but i dont had enough time :D) Reaper (but i dont know how to use it) and a few others..
The whammy is connected with a USB-MIDI cable

james90
11-12-2011, 06:30 PM
I didn't find many free software yet, but i tried it with a Guitar Rig demo (but i dont had enough time :D) Reaper (but i dont know how to use it) and a few others..
The whammy is connected with a USB-MIDI cable

Well all you need is a MIDI sequencer. Are you using a PC or a mac?

Str4t0c4st3r
11-12-2011, 06:32 PM
Windows 7 64Bit

L.Valencia
11-12-2011, 07:07 PM
The closest sounding/least expensive way to get the MOTP sound is to go to this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/user/aorfix ask for the midi file, I don't know if I'm supposed to say this but when I asked for the midi file he also sent me a Cubase file which I ended up not using but if you ask him for it he might send it to you.

Once you get the midi file and Cubase, you hook up your midi cable to your whammy and then to your computer, open up Cubase and load the midi file, make sure your midi cable is being recognized, once it is you just press the play button and off you go. Also make sure your whammy is on and the treadle is pushed down to the toe position.

Dominic.
11-12-2011, 07:14 PM
The closest sounding/least expensive way to get the MOTP sound is to go to this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/user/aorfix ask for the midi file, I don't know if I'm supposed to say this but when I asked for the midi file he also sent me a Cubase file which I ended up not using but if you ask him for it he might send it to you.

Once you get the midi file and Cubase, you hook up your midi cable to your whammy and then to your computer, open up Cubase and load the midi file, make sure your midi cable is being recognized, once it is you just press the play button and off you go. Also make sure your whammy is on and the treadle is pushed down to the toe position.

I can recommend Aorfix

bucket_
11-12-2011, 07:25 PM
I can recommend Aorfix

Me too, it's great. I got nowhere near it.

Matthijs
12-12-2011, 09:35 AM
Merge? (http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=31760&highlight=problematique)

Str4t0c4st3r
16-12-2011, 03:35 PM
Thanks everyone.
I wrote aorfix a message one week ago.. he didnt write back yet.
But thanks anyway :)

Kueller917
17-12-2011, 09:42 PM
I didn't find many free software yet, but i tried it with a Guitar Rig demo (but i dont had enough time :D) Reaper (but i dont know how to use it) and a few others..
The whammy is connected with a USB-MIDI cable

I actually use Reaper more than Cubase. I'd like to know if it's possible to do MIDI commands in Reaper. I can never get it to work :$

Tom!
18-12-2011, 10:43 AM
I actually use Reaper more than Cubase. I'd like to know if it's possible to do MIDI commands in Reaper. I can never get it to work :$

It is and I've done the whole motp thing in reaper. Create a new midi track and view it in event view then insert the appropriate cc messages.

Jobby
26-12-2011, 07:03 PM
Ok I just got a Digitech Whammy for christmas. I've never used MIDI before or any guitar software so I could really do with a step-by-step of what to do if anyone has the time :$

I've checked out Cubase as well, bit too expensive to be honest, I need something free if possible.

Matthijs
27-12-2011, 11:23 AM
Merge? (http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=31760&highlight=problematique)

Ok I just got a Digitech Whammy for christmas. I've never used MIDI before or any guitar software so I could really do with a step-by-step of what to do if anyone has the time :$

I've checked out Cubase as well, bit too expensive to be honest, I need something free if possible.

Read through this thread.

Not sure about free midi controlling programs though.

Tom!
27-12-2011, 01:17 PM
Use Reaper. I must have recommended Reaper about a million times on this board now.

Dominic.
27-12-2011, 02:53 PM
The answer to everytihng MOTP related is aorfix, even the software


I just recorded a cover of MOTP which I'll upload in a sec. Uses Aorfix's stuff

Olly.
27-12-2011, 02:54 PM
http://soundcloud.com/eatenbyghosts/map-of-the-synth

Dominic.
27-12-2011, 02:57 PM
http://soundcloud.com/eatenbyghosts/map-of-the-synth

Stealing my thunder bitch :phu:

haze015
27-12-2011, 03:20 PM
Did this a while ago with a vocoder - http://www.sendspace.com/file/acbq0b

Didn't have an amp sim at the time, but you get the idea. Do remember reading that they got the sound in a similar way, rather than with a Whammy or any other form of pitchshifting.

Dominic.
27-12-2011, 03:32 PM
We really need a Soundcloud embed option on here

http://soundcloud.com/d0mgreen/motp

As you can see by the waveform I have taken inspiration from the production of BH&R to have it all very COMPRESSED

They
27-12-2011, 03:39 PM
I've checked out Cubase as well, bit too expensive to be honest, I need something free if possible.

Is mentioning the notion of Cubase potentially being free taboo?

Olly.
27-12-2011, 03:39 PM
We really need a Soundcloud embed option on here

http://soundcloud.com/d0mgreen/motp

As you can see by the waveform I have taken inspiration from the production of BH&R to have it all very COMPRESSED


what tab do you use?

Dominic.
27-12-2011, 03:41 PM
what tab do you use?

I use a combination of some tabs I've found online and stuff I worked out myself from a certain video (think it's one of Pip's from Stade de Suisse). I posted it on here somewhere I'll have a look for it. As far as I can tell apart from the little fill bits it's accurate as to what he played in 2010

Tom!
27-12-2011, 03:42 PM
Anyone got Aorfix's midi file and are willing to upload it somewhere where we can grab it?

Dominic.
27-12-2011, 03:53 PM
what tab do you use?
Had to go back 5 pages to find the right thread, but this is what I posted a while ago

Seriously the amount of searching it took me to find this...It's kind of a blend between studio and live version. Most of it is what he plays live, but like the last four bars and four bars in the middle where live he does some bends and shit I just put in what he plays on the album

Tuning is CADGBe obviously
Intro:
D--5--5--5--5--
A--3--3--3--3--
Intro after the intro which isn't quite the intro but I'll call it the intro anyway:
C--0--3--8--5--
Verse:
e---------------------------------
B------------(3)--4--4--4--6--
G--5--5--5--5--5--5--5--5---
D--5--5--6--3----------6--3---
A--3--6----------3--6-----------
C----------------------------------
Pre-chorus & Chorus:
A--3--6--11-8--
C--0--3--8---5--
Random 4 bars in the middle (obviously he plays this different live)
D--5--5--5--5--
A--3--3--3--3--
C--0--0--0--0--
Then this again:
A--3--6--11-8--
C--0--3--8---5--
Second Verse:
e---------------------------------
B------------(3)--4--4--4--6--
G--5--5--5--5--5--5--5--5---
D--5--5--6--3----------6--3---
A--3--6----------3--6-----------
C----------------------------------
Le slow chorus:
e--8----11--11---8---
B--8----8----9----9---
G--8----8----8---10--
D--10---8---10--10--
Outro (again, he'd play something else live, but this is more similar to the studio version):
A--3--3--3--3--
C--0--0--0--0--

Judge for yourselves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsNCLUrWyZc&feature=player_embedded

Anyone got Aorfix's midi file and are willing to upload it somewhere where we can grab it?
I might have it in my YouTube inbox actually...
Re:MOTP file
Cubase 5 Portable -> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=F8EEXL0Y It was on btjunkie torrent site but it's gone now. It's portable, so no installation needed. The file say Photos from Wedding, only for precaution and not to be blocked. It's on .rar, so you need winrar or 7zip to extract it. Extract it, run Cubase5.exe and the program will run perfectly.

Map of the Problematique Cubase File Here is the Cubase file with everything (midi track and the original by muse) -> (Map of the Problematique version 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T9PH5ZS7
-> the file is the "motp work on 2"

Recently I've updated the midi track to a new version ;)
(Map of the Problematique Version 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2M5JZBU9
-> The file is "motp work on 3-01

You only need to open the file and press play. Don't forget to connect your midi cable (like the M-Audio Uno Usb/Midi) to the digitech whammy 4 by the Midi In and to press your Whammy pedal down ;)

If anyone thinks I should remove that then just tell me. I'm only pasting it here since he seems willing to let people have it anyway, just no one can seem to get hold of him at the moment. To be honest I don't even know if the links still work

Lozo
29-12-2011, 12:51 PM
Or you can buy the Molten MIDI 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtAxs0ZeKGU

Kueller917
12-02-2012, 05:43 AM
Bumping this thread to further ask about this. Someone's recommended Reaper a while ago but I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out how to get the CC to work.. I have no idea what I'm doing and haven't really found a tutorial or anything.


I might have it in my YouTube inbox actually...
Re:MOTP file
Cubase 5 Portable -> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=F8EEXL0Y It was on btjunkie torrent site but it's gone now. It's portable, so no installation needed. The file say Photos from Wedding, only for precaution and not to be blocked. It's on .rar, so you need winrar or 7zip to extract it. Extract it, run Cubase5.exe and the program will run perfectly.

Map of the Problematique Cubase File Here is the Cubase file with everything (midi track and the original by muse) -> (Map of the Problematique version 1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T9PH5ZS7
-> the file is the "motp work on 2"

Recently I've updated the midi track to a new version ;)
(Map of the Problematique Version 2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2M5JZBU9
-> The file is "motp work on 3-01

You only need to open the file and press play. Don't forget to connect your midi cable (like the M-Audio Uno Usb/Midi) to the digitech whammy 4 by the Midi In and to press your Whammy pedal down ;)

Megaupload...

Dominic.
12-02-2012, 12:18 PM
Olol. To be fair I did make that post 20 days before it got taken down

Dudge
12-02-2012, 12:45 PM
I'm with Lozo on this one..I was going to recommend the Molten midi 2..there is also a vid on there that shows exactly how easy it is to program as well. We have covered both bases for playing live as we are adding this to our set. I have programmed the guitar effect in logic to run with our backing track in case the Molten Midi doesn't work as we hope live. I will stick our backing track (work in progress not finished yet) on soundcloud...I have put down a rough bass and drum part to it to make sure that it all works....Live the drums and bass will be removed obviously...see what you think..

Dudge
12-02-2012, 02:07 PM
This is the start of our MOTP backing track for using live. There is bass and drums on here which will be taken out for live use. No guitar or vocals on this version. There is a little bit of work needed as one of the synth lines tends to wander in and out..but this will be edited out for the final version.

This track is written from scratch by me...as you can hear the guitar effect is replicated using synth sounds..and is actually really close to the original sound that Matt gets.Ideally in a live situation we would use something like the Molten midi as it will alter the actual sound of Pauls guitar and so will be much more "real" .

Hope you like..comments or questions welcomed..:D

http://soundcloud.com/hypermused/muse-map-of-the-problematique

Dominic.
12-02-2012, 02:37 PM
This is the start of our MOTP backing track for using live. There is bass and drums on here which will be taken out for live use. No guitar or vocals on this version. There is a little bit of work needed as one of the synth lines tends to wander in and out..but this will be edited out for the final version.

This track is written from scratch by me...as you can hear the guitar effect is replicated using synth sounds..and is actually really close to the original sound that Matt gets.Ideally in a live situation we would use something like the Molten midi as it will alter the actual sound of Pauls guitar and so will be much more "real" .

Hope you like..comments or questions welcomed..:D

http://soundcloud.com/hypermused/muse-map-of-the-problematique
I made a MOTP MIDI track recently for a MIDI assignment I was given on my Music Tech course, this is the backing track that I'm planning to use live for something with guitar, bass and drums removed. Gonna tweak a few bits but otherwise yeah

http://soundcloud.com/d0mgreen/motp-synth-backing

It's much more synth orientated though. Full track can be seen on my soundcloud as well

Actually my bad, that does have bass in

Dudge
13-02-2012, 12:07 AM
Cool.
How did you embed your soundcloud file...code or is it more simple than that?
Cheers

Dominic.
13-02-2012, 12:09 AM
Cool.
How did you embed your soundcloud file...code or is it more simple than that?
Cheers

Oh it's really simple now! Got introduced at the beginning of this year

You can quote my post to see it, or otherwise it's

[soundcloud] link here [/s oundcloud]

Without the space in the last bracket :)

Dudge
13-02-2012, 12:25 AM
Lush...Thanks thats dead easy!

MOTP Backing track for live use by Hypermused

http://soundcloud.com/hypermused/muse-map-of-the-problematique

Novak the Muse fan
23-02-2012, 02:52 PM
Hi,I am new here :) I dont know anything about guitar effects ,but I would like to play Map of the problematique.I got all of the equipment needed to play it,I just need a MIDI file.I sent a message to aorfix ,but he didnt reply.Could I maybe make that effect using cubase?

shuggy_r
27-02-2012, 11:31 PM
Has anyone on the forum actually managed to do it with a nord g2 yet?

Matthijs
28-02-2012, 03:27 PM
Has anyone on the forum actually tried to do it with a nord g2 yet?

fixed that for you ;)

Rav
18-03-2012, 12:32 PM
Hey guys,

so I set up my own octave-sequencer thingie on my digitech RP355 the following way:

-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0

(0 stands for whammy off position)

but every fourth bar on this song (except for the intro) goes a little bit different and I just can't figure it out. I've been looking around on google for quite a while but nothing useful. can anyone help?

Edit:

Alright guys, I just found it on muselive. If anyone is interested, the fourth bar goes like this:

+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0

(or at least sounded pretty good to me)

james90
19-03-2012, 02:01 PM
I sort of gave up on it, but I asked aorfix on youtube about that a while back...


There are two more variations:

off up off down off up off down off down off up off down off up

and

off up off down off up off up off down off up off down off up

Dillyracer
19-03-2012, 05:11 PM
Hey guys,

so I set up my own octave-sequencer thingie on my digitech RP355 the following way:

-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0

(0 stands for whammy off position)

but every fourth bar on this song (except for the intro) goes a little bit different and I just can't figure it out. I've been looking around on google for quite a while but nothing useful. can anyone help?

Edit:

Alright guys, I just found it on muselive. If anyone is interested, the fourth bar goes like this:

+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0

(or at least sounded pretty good to me)

Is that octave sequencer only on the 355 and up? I have a RP350 but I don't think I can do that.

Rav
21-03-2012, 12:51 PM
I actually connect the unit to my notebook via USB and I do it the tricky way. I think you can do it with a MIDI cable (you'd have to mess around a bit tho) but I didn't have one on my hands so I decided it would be ok if I created a bot. :$ I set it up like a sequencer, so every 119 milliseconds (witch is set to 125 bpm, -1 MS because of the delay) it switches the whammy. What almost made me tear is that it works perfectly. Actually fits the whole song throughout. The bot you have to programme this in is called AC Tool, very useful little tool and pretty easy to use.

Send me a message if you're interested, I'm happy to help you out!
Thank you James btw.

Samz2
20-06-2012, 08:33 PM
Would anyone mind re-uploading a MoTP Midi file? All links posted previously seem to be down, and I want to try this effect out for myself. Thanks!

james90
20-06-2012, 08:50 PM
Would anyone mind re-uploading a MoTP Midi file? All links posted previously seem to be down, and I want to try this effect out for myself. Thanks!

Which one?

I don't have a single MIDI file, but I have an entire cubase project for it...can't remember who I got it from, but it seems pretty accurate.

Dominic.
20-06-2012, 08:52 PM
Which one?

I don't have a single MIDI file, but I have an entire cubase project for it...can't remember who I got it from, but it seems pretty accurate.

Yeah, that's probably the Aorfix one? I got one from him and that's a Cubase project. I've been meaning to make one myself/some general MIDI projects to control a whammy on Ableton for a while

Any experience with that NeilDOT?

StandYourGround
20-06-2012, 11:54 PM
Back in the day, I used to use a Korg Ax3000g which had a step sequencer in it which you could use to control its on board pitchshifter. It was only an 8step one sadly but I've got a setting which is pretty close to MoTP.
Only trouble is syncing it up with a backing track or even a click track for that matter. Anybody got any ideas?
Also, (this seems obvious to me) since people are going to the trouble of taking a PC out to gigs with them. Would it not make more sense to run a virtual pitchshifter into a sequencer rather than trailing a whammy out and using MIDI cables? Or would having to use an audio interface live mess with levels?
Can someone also explain how you can run this effect in a DAW and have it sync up? Like step-by-step? Because I don't even know where to start :L I'm probably most comfortable on Pro Tools but have used ableton in the past briefly.

Dave
21-06-2012, 12:52 AM
Its as simple as this. It would sound terrible. A MIDI controlled whammy is still a physical guitar pedal which runs into genuine effects and amps wg
which we all know sounds good. Running the whole thing through a computer is just asking for terrible digital tone.

StandYourGround
21-06-2012, 01:36 AM
Its as simple as this. It would sound terrible. A MIDI controlled whammy is still a physical guitar pedal which runs into genuine effects and amps wg
which we all know sounds good. Running the whole thing through a computer is just asking for terrible digital tone.

But all the cubase session is doing is acting as a backing track and sending MIDI commands to the Whammy. Its just controlling it, not actually entering the signal path. No actual audio ever runs through the session from the guitar. Unless of course you mic up your amp and record the thing/

Kueller917
21-06-2012, 01:43 AM
Unless of course you mic up your amp and record the thing/

Maybe that's what they did?

Tom!
21-06-2012, 07:51 AM
Its as simple as this. It would sound terrible. A MIDI controlled whammy is still a physical guitar pedal which runs into genuine effects and amps wg
which we all know sounds good. Running the whole thing through a computer is just asking for terrible digital tone.

Not true at all! I can do MOTP live using Guitar Rig and I bet you it sounds better than if it was done with a whammy pedal.

Mobius
25-06-2012, 11:23 PM
Not true at all! I can do MOTP live using Guitar Rig and I bet you it sounds better than if it was done with a whammy pedal.

I have seen how to do that patch in guitar rig and it does sound fantastic. I guess with the polyphonic whammy you may have a chance to get close to it.

StandYourGround
26-06-2012, 03:16 PM
Speaking of MIDI controlled Whammy pedals, a thought came into my head the other day. Why don't they just have their midi loop switching gear and other digital stuff controlled using a DAW like MoTP does with the whammy. They'd just run the MIDI commands alongside the click tracks/backing tracks and neither them or their techs would have to worry about changing between different sounds. They could even do automation. Volume swells, slowly bringing up the level of a reverb etc. All without anyone having to touch anything.

Dave
27-06-2012, 11:41 AM
Because Matt actually uses a pitch shifter in his rack for Motp so doing that would require an entire overhaul of a rig that works perfectly as it is.

Dominic.
27-06-2012, 02:50 PM
Because Matt actually uses a pitch shifter in his rack for Motp so doing that would require an entire overhaul of a rig that works perfectly as it is.

Well of course it would require an overhaul. Doesn't change the fact that it's still an (appealing) possibility

StandYourGround
27-06-2012, 03:11 PM
Because Matt actually uses a pitch shifter in his rack for Motp so doing that would require an entire overhaul of a rig that works perfectly as it is.

Not really, as long as the Whammy doesn't require the same MIDI channel as the loop switcher, it shouldn't be a problem. I think that's maybe why he hasn't done it yet.
I was trying to figure out how I'd run my rig+loop switcher with MIDI commands and it would work as long as my M13 and the loop switcher (would be a Voodoo Lab gcx in this case) were operating on different MIDI channels. The GCX only accepts MIDI channel 16. While muse don't use these particular switchers, they probably have the same restriction. Meaning that if Matt ran his rig entirely through MIDI commands, Chris couldn't.

Phill
27-06-2012, 05:16 PM
i hate that idea. it would make there shows even more controlled, scripted and stale than they've already become...

Mobius
05-07-2012, 09:20 PM
Just got a quick question, has anyone got the midi file to control the whammy for this to hand? I would like to give it a go. :LOL:

Edit: Techno wizardry skills and google led me to write my own!

Mobius
05-07-2012, 10:26 PM
Apologies for the double post. But unsurprisingly really it sounds awful when you play chords, anyone tried it with a Whammy DT/V to see if it fares better?

Its mainly out of curiosity, I've just been using it at an exercise to program a whammy tonight.

Samz2
08-07-2012, 07:56 PM
Use Reaper. I must have recommended Reaper about a million times on this board now.

I've been trying to get this working in Reaper for a while, and just haven't managed to get it... Does anyone have a MOTP Reaper file they would be willing to send? I would really appreciate help with this song.

Mobius
08-07-2012, 08:25 PM
I've been trying to get this working in Reaper for a while, and just haven't managed to get it... Does anyone have a MOTP Reaper file they would be willing to send? I would really appreciate help with this song.

I've just pm'd you a link to my MIDI file. You'll need to drag the file into a new track and it shall automatically stick it in a MIDI track for you in reaper. :)

Kueller917
09-07-2012, 01:17 AM
I've just pm'd you a link to my MIDI file. You'll need to drag the file into a new track and it shall automatically stick it in a MIDI track for you in reaper. :)

Just asking can I have it also please? I've been having trouble getting it to work so I'd like to see if maybe I just did the MIDI track wrong.

sergeykarakich
20-07-2012, 09:11 AM
Someone tried to use the Clavia Nord Modular G2? I want to hear how it sounds!:)

sergeykarakich
21-07-2012, 01:10 PM
And what do you think about the Eventide PitchFactor Stompbox? I think it can be used for MOTP...
http://www.pedalgeek.com/images/product_pics/et/etpf_big.jpg
$500
Features:
10 of Eventide’s signature stereo or mono pitch+delay effects:
Diatonic
PitchFlex™
Quadravox™
Octaver™
HarModulator™
Crystals™
MicroPitch
HarPeggiator™
H910 / H949
Synthonizer™
Up to 4 voices of diatonic pitch shifting and up to 1.5 seconds of stereo delay
Studio quality sound
Guitar or bass compatible
Built-in Tuner
Software upgradeable via USB 2.0
MIDI control via USB or MIDI in, out/thru
Instant program change
Real-time control with 10 knobs, MIDI, or expression pedal
Tap tempo and MIDI clock sync
100 factory presets, unlimited through MIDI
True analog bypass
Rugged cast metal construction
Reliable metal footswitches for instant preset access
Mono or stereo operation
Guitar or line level inputs and outputs
Can I use this to make the MOTP effect? Buy it just for this? These characteristics of professional rack pitch shifter:)

falsettobells
08-08-2012, 03:13 PM
Use Reaper. I must have recommended Reaper about a million times on this board now.

can you tell me how you got the effect with reaper?
I've a pod hd500 and it has midi.I can't use cubase 5 or 6 because i've a laggy laptop for now.it can only run cubase 4 but it it would be better if its possible to get it through reaper

cheddatom
08-08-2012, 03:37 PM
you can use reaper to control MIDI instruments, so you could use it to control your amp. If you already have a MIDI file loaded in Cubase 4, export it and import that to Reaper

Tom!
08-08-2012, 05:24 PM
Yeah what Chedda said, just insert the midi commands into reaper and then send them to your device.

falsettobells
08-08-2012, 06:19 PM
Yeah what Chedda said, just insert the midi commands into reaper and then send them to your device.

I've a cubase 6 file for the pod that i got from a guy and it wont run on cubase 4 so i don't know how it would be possible then unless i make the midi track in cubase 4 which i'm not that clear how to make

Tom!
08-08-2012, 06:33 PM
Enter it manually into Reaper using the midi editor, the pattern for the octaves is in this thread somewhere.

falsettobells
08-08-2012, 06:35 PM
I've just pm'd you a link to my MIDI file. You'll need to drag the file into a new track and it shall automatically stick it in a MIDI track for you in reaper. :)

Is it possible you can send the reaper file to me? and also explain how to get it working

Tom!
08-08-2012, 06:37 PM
No sorry, I don't actually know where it is as I generally use Guitar Rig for MOTP these days. It's not that hard to figure out with a bit of searching. As long as you have a little knowledge of midi and the cc's you need to be changing you should be fine. Also mine was setup to control a Behringer Virtualizer Pro so the cc's I used probably wont work with the pod.

falsettobells
08-08-2012, 06:39 PM
Yeah what Chedda said, just insert the midi commands into reaper and then send them to your device.
Are you talking about this


Hey guys,

so I set up my own octave-sequencer thingie on my digitech RP355 the following way:

-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0

(0 stands for whammy off position)

but every fourth bar on this song (except for the intro) goes a little bit different and I just can't figure it out. I've been looking around on google for quite a while but nothing useful. can anyone help?

Edit:

Alright guys, I just found it on muselive. If anyone is interested, the fourth bar goes like this:

+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0



Can you explain in detail how to enter all of this.I'm new when it comes to DAW softwares

james90
08-08-2012, 06:41 PM
Enter it manually into Reaper using the midi editor, the pattern for the octaves is in this thread somewhere.

the ones aorfix gave me (which i posted in this thread) didn't actually work properly. the only way I actually got it working properly was getting the MIDI file off someone....which wouldn't sync with the song for some reason, then I gave up.

the whammy functions are supposedly

off down off up off up off down off up off up off down off up

then there are two variations

off up off down off up off down off down off up off down off up

and

off up off down off up off up off down off up off down off up


so all that really needs to be done is find what numbers are needed for that on the whammy (it should be something like 3, 4, 20, and 21) and put that in the MIDI editor

Tom!
08-08-2012, 06:43 PM
Are you talking about this


Hey guys,

so I set up my own octave-sequencer thingie on my digitech RP355 the following way:

-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0

(0 stands for whammy off position)

but every fourth bar on this song (except for the intro) goes a little bit different and I just can't figure it out. I've been looking around on google for quite a while but nothing useful. can anyone help?

Edit:

Alright guys, I just found it on muselive. If anyone is interested, the fourth bar goes like this:

+1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,-1,0,+1,0,-1,0,+1,0



Can you explain in detail how to enter all of this.I'm new when it comes to DAW softwares

That's the correct pattern. I have no experience with a pod so you need to find out what cc you need to be changing to control the pitch shifter and what values you need to be sending. Just read some tutorials on Reaper regarding midi and you should be fine. I'm not going to spoon feed you it as I managed to figure it out for myself and so should you.

falsettobells
08-08-2012, 06:44 PM
No sorry, I don't actually know where it is as I generally use Guitar Rig for MOTP these days. It's not that hard to figure out with a bit of searching. As long as you have a little knowledge of midi and the cc's you need to be changing you should be fine. Also mine was setup to control a Behringer Virtualizer Pro so the cc's I used probably wont work with the pod.

Can you give me the guitar rig preset?

falsettobells
08-08-2012, 06:45 PM
That's the correct pattern. I have no experience with a pod so you need to find out what cc you need to be changing to control the pitch shifter and what values you need to be sending. Just read some tutorials on Reaper regarding midi and you should be fine. I'm not going to spoon feed you it as I managed to figure it out for myself and so should you.

ok i think i'm now starting to understand a bit more so there would be numbers for octave up and octave down in the form of cc messages right?

Tom!
08-08-2012, 06:46 PM
Can you give me the guitar rig preset?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfup5VT7o4w

Kueller917
08-08-2012, 07:51 PM
http://www.mediafire.com/?6sxfzrwtiwwkbbk

Exported the MIDI file I have from Reaper. Not sure how many commands export with MIDI but maybe it'll work. This is with the whammy though but maybe some adjustments could adapt it to other stuff.

falsettobells
09-08-2012, 06:59 AM
http://www.mediafire.com/?6sxfzrwtiwwkbbk

Exported the MIDI file I have from Reaper. Not sure how many commands export with MIDI but maybe it'll work. This is with the whammy though but maybe some adjustments could adapt it to other stuff.

I dont get any sound when i play it why is that?

Kueller917
09-08-2012, 07:40 AM
I dont get any sound when i play it why is that?

It's not an audio file, it's just the commands you need to trigger whatever it is you're using. I haven't really been following this conversation so I'm probably not the biggest help. Maybe someone could give a more step by step instruction.

falsettobells
09-08-2012, 07:54 AM
It's not an audio file, it's just the commands you need to trigger whatever it is you're using. I haven't really been following this conversation so I'm probably not the biggest help. Maybe someone could give a more step by step instruction.

just to clear out

the corect sequence for the song is

off down off up off up off down off up off up off down off up

then there are two variations

off up off down off up off down off down off up off down off up

and

off up off down off up off up off down off up off down off up


i'll just have to replace this pattern what cc messages pod uses for the off,up and down octaves? if yes then how can i find what cc messages it uses?

Kueller917
09-08-2012, 07:56 AM
just to clear out

the corect sequence for the song is

off down off up off up off down off up off up off down off up

then there are two variations

off up off down off up off down off down off up off down off up

and

off up off down off up off up off down off up off down off up


i'll just have to replace this pattern what cc messages pod uses for the off,up and down octaves? if yes then how can i find what cc messages it uses?

I assume the manual should tell you. Or maybe you could search for it. I've never used a Pod.

falsettobells
09-08-2012, 08:15 AM
I assume the manual should tell you. Or maybe you could search for it. I've never used a Pod.

but that's what i've to do right? change the sequence of "off,up and down" with their respective cc messages?

Kueller917
09-08-2012, 08:16 AM
but that's what i've to do right? change the sequence of "off,up and down" with their respective cc messages?

I assume so.

falsettobells
22-08-2012, 05:56 PM
Whats the name of the boss pedal (that ripped off Motp sound) Matt mentioned in Zane's interview?

JJ
24-08-2012, 02:56 AM
Whats the name of the boss pedal (that ripped off Motp sound) Matt mentioned in Zane's interview?

The Boss SL-20 Slicer. It's a twin pedal. I think Matt got it wrong on the whole octave shift thing, if I remember correctly, its just a crazy step-filter. Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj7qV76tXH8

Playing starts around 2:20

JimboMansonMB-1
24-08-2012, 03:21 AM
Yeah, that's the one I had in mind too

cheddatom
24-08-2012, 07:24 AM
yeh I have a slicer but it won't do MOTP IMO (I'm not sure if i've heard the song but i've heard how to make the fucking sound enough, jesus)

It's basically a really advanced sort of tremolo. it does have a couple of "harmonic" settings which add some bloopy sounds, but it's not really pitch shifting your signal.

I'll have a play with it at some point to see if i'm wrong

JJ
24-08-2012, 01:53 PM
Slicer...for bass? I'm sure you play guitar too but I do remember you having a crazy-huge bass pedalboard.

I quite liked the idea of the Boss Slicer, but its hella expensive for a kinda one-trick-pony effect.

cheddatom
24-08-2012, 02:02 PM
yeh, i use it on bass. I like that it's tap tempo. There are a couple of rythmic patterns I've used, as well as the harmoic one when i'm making noises

StandYourGround
19-10-2012, 10:47 PM
Hey, does anyone have the intervals written down for motp? Thinking of using Reaper to trigger the pitch shifter on my M13 but don't know the patterns used for the octave changing.

arj225
23-02-2013, 02:40 PM
Is the cubase midi file for the whammy still floating around somewhere?

Dominic.
23-02-2013, 02:43 PM
Is the cubase midi file for the whammy still floating around somewhere?

Yeah just message aorfix on YouTube. Unless you already have cubase then you can only work it on Windows computers though

haze015
23-02-2013, 03:12 PM
Yeah just message aorfix on YouTube. Unless you already have cubase then you can only work it on Windows computers though

A MIDI file will work on any operating system, along with project files for DAWs that work on different OS.

Dominic.
23-02-2013, 03:14 PM
A MIDI file will work on any operating system, along with project files for DAWs that work on different OS.

No he sends you some version of cubase with it to actually open the file with but that Cubase only opens on Windows

haze015
23-02-2013, 03:22 PM
No he sends you some version of cubase with it to actually open the file with but that Cubase only opens on Windows

I assume thats the free download of Cubase SX, which should also be available for OSX.

TBH, that seems a stupid idea, just send people the MIDI file, which can be opened in any DAW rather than an 8 year old DAW that's laughable in today's market.

Mobius
23-02-2013, 05:17 PM
Speaking of which, has anyone exported it into a midi. I made one, but there is a lot of popping sounds when it goes into bypass mode.

arj225
23-02-2013, 08:17 PM
I have cubase 5 installed, so I just need the midi file, messaged aorfix

haze015
23-02-2013, 08:38 PM
Speaking of which, has anyone exported it into a midi. I made one, but there is a lot of popping sounds when it goes into bypass mode.

That will be a problem with the Whammy itself, as MIDI is only instructions, not sound.

Mobius
25-02-2013, 01:21 AM
That will be a problem with the Whammy itself, as MIDI is only instructions, not sound.

Boo-urns, thought as much.

Phill
25-02-2013, 07:34 AM
Try using distortion either in front or after to smooth it out. Works with a killswitch.
The other option is to use treadle at 0 commands instead of bypassing.

haze015
25-02-2013, 02:48 PM
The other option is to use treadle at 0 commands instead of bypassing.

Yeah or when doing programme changes, do it when the pedal is in bypass mode rather than at the same time when engaging/disengaging bypass.

xtinction
06-03-2013, 08:12 AM
I've just managed to get the MotP sound using Guitar Rig 4, it works great, but there a couple of minor problems I could use some help with: the analogue sequencers I use to sequence my Pitch Pedals run all the time, not just when I'm playing, so the sound isn't always right when I play the first note, how can I fix it so the sound is correct when I start playing? I know there are 2 sequencer patterns for the song and I have them both set up (though I'm not to sure about the second one that runs when you play every 3rd chord/note throughout most of the song, could someone give me the octave pattern for this pattern so I can check I have it right?) I have trouble switching from pattern to pattern smoothly so as to keep in time, I have a foot controller but there's usually just under a second of a delay between me pressing the switch I've set to change patterns and the pattern change actually occuring, any ideas? I was thinking I could have both patterns set up on one sound and use a switch to turn on and off the sequencer for the second pattern, but that would involve leaving both pitch pedals on, which shouldn't be a problem, but the other pedal seems to have an effect on the sound when left on, and if I do the opposite and leave both sequencers on so I can just turn on/off the other pitch pedal, the other sequencer seems to sequence the active pitch pedal whilst that same pedal is being sequenced by the right sequencer, resulting in a really screwed up sound. Any help on any of these problems would be greatly appreciated as I've been wanting to get this sound since I first started playing last year and I'd love to be able to make a decent cover of this song, which isn't really possible if these issues aren't fixed :/ Btw I have a Vintage VRS100 Guitar, Line 6 Spider IV 75 Amp, FBV Express MK II foot controller for the Spider Amp which connects to the computer, sound cable and a computer. Also, I was wondering if it's easier to get the effect in something like Cubase or Reaper? would using one of these get rid of the problems I'm facing in Guitar Rig? I don't have a whammy exactly, but my FBV foot controller has an expression pedal which does what a Whammy does with the Amp, would I be able to use this rather than a Whammy in one of these programs, or is a MIDI-USB connection essential? (FBV has no MIDI jack)

Phill
06-03-2013, 07:20 PM
Bs?

james90
06-03-2013, 07:23 PM
Hey, at least we got Bs to type in paragraphs

Matthijs
06-03-2013, 08:32 PM
@xtinction: they mean your post is: tl;dr.

xtinction
06-03-2013, 10:59 PM
tl;dr?.. does tl mean too long?

And does anyone have Guitar Rig 4 settings/patch for the volume swell-type effect just before the vocals kick in? I'm guessing it's an analogue sequencer and a volume pedal but i'm unsure of the settings

Matthijs
07-03-2013, 08:39 AM
it means: too long, didn't read. Type in paragraphs :chuckle:

xtinction
07-03-2013, 10:01 AM
oh, my bad, I was kinda desperate for help with it so I didn't think about that, well, one of the problems I mentioned has been sorted already, but the other one: the sequencers I use on guitar rig to control the pitch pedals run all the time, not just when I play, so the effect isn't always in time, is there any way to fix this? A way to ensure the sequencers only run when I start playing?

Oh and sorry to be impatient and all, (I've posted this request in the Tab Request thread already) but I really need an MotP guitar backing track for tonight, even if it's just a MIDI one, I can't find, real or MIDI anywhere, any ideas/links?

Matthijs
07-03-2013, 01:23 PM
Doesn't a count-down synch the settings?

xtinction
07-03-2013, 08:49 PM
Count down? On guitar rig? Either i dont know how to use that or havent foun it yet; im very new to Guitar Rig

Matthijs
07-03-2013, 10:47 PM
Oh I naturally assumed you'd use it in Cubase. If you don't, no idea. Sorry!

xtinction
08-03-2013, 08:16 AM
aha, no, would it be easier if I used it in Cubase? (however my pitch pedal has no MIDI jack, would that be a problem?)

Ross0203
13-03-2013, 12:07 PM
I try the Molten MIDI 2 method but the damn thing doesn't work. I plug it all in but the MM2 is just unresponsive and is always stuck on a yellow/orange light. Anyone know what the problem could be?

xtinction
16-03-2013, 10:35 AM
well, aside from the fact I don't have the cash atm to get a Molten MIDI and a Whammy, the MM method doesnt allow you to switch between the 2 pitch shifting patterns does it? that's what Ive been told, so I went for the software option

sidious911
31-07-2013, 05:36 PM
well, aside from the fact I don't have the cash atm to get a Molten MIDI and a Whammy, the MM method doesnt allow you to switch between the 2 pitch shifting patterns does it? that's what Ive been told, so I went for the software option

Guitar Rig has a VST plugin, can use it in other programs. I create my effects, and load them into Reaper, and can then control the whammy through MIDI in Reaper. This allows you to sync everything up exactly with the track.

muse59200
09-08-2013, 01:21 PM
Where can I find the midi file for MOTP ??

thanks :D

xMrPickles
27-08-2013, 11:03 PM
Where can I find the midi file for MOTP ??

thanks :D

Yeah +1

thanks guys!

xtinction
28-08-2013, 03:06 PM
There was a guy on YT who had a link to the MIDI file download, but the link's long been broken it seems. The file itself isn't that difficult to make yourself, so long as you know the octave patterns for the song (1 main one, 1 variation) You can use a sequencer in Guitar Rig too, but it's overall more easy and less time consuming to make an accurate one in Cubase or Reaper or something

haze015
28-08-2013, 03:46 PM
http://www.sendspace.com/file/pgd6ux

Done this before, but done a new one quickly to demonstrate roughly what it sounds like when done correctly with a vocoder and not a Whammy.
Done in Ableton Live using Tension for the "guitar" with the channel muted.
Analog for the synthesizer set to a square wave with the filter turned down a bit > Vocoder with the carrier signal from the "guitar" and everything left on default settings > Marshall JCM800 emulation for no specific reason.

The synth plays the pattern, which changes root note based on the chord being played.

xtinction
28-08-2013, 05:50 PM
1. Is this method doable in Ableton Live 8.0.4?
2. If so, could you do a brief tutorial on how to achieve what you did?
3. Probably should have asked this first, but, did you use a hardware vocoder, or a software one that is/is not included with Ableton?

haze015
28-08-2013, 06:04 PM
I use Ableton Live Suite 8.4.1 (If you're still using 8.0.x, upgrade immediately to a newer version as they added one or two things in 8.2.0, but basically everything needed is in all versions of 8.x) and everything was done using Ableton's stock instruments and vocoder, only the guitar amp emulation was 3rd party.

The setup is quite simple actually:

1 - Create an audio channel for your guitar (In my example I used a synthesizer because I was being lazy) and the mute this channel
2 - Create a MIDI channel and choose any synthesizer you like, its only being used for a basic square or saw wave anyway and create a clip with the note pattern.
3 - On the MIDI/synth channel add Ableton's vocoder or a 3rd party one if you happen to have one, although this may require more messing about. With the vocoder, change the carrier input to that from the audio channel with your guitar
4 - Either output the signal to your amplifier or add an amp simulation if you want.


If unsure of anything, look on Youtube for a video on setting up Live's vocoder. The setup won't be much different to the traditional way of using one, just instead of vocals, you're using a guitar. The only difference is to use the vocoder on the synth track with the carrier signal from the guitar, rather than the opposite way round/traditional method.

MyChemGD1234
28-08-2013, 08:11 PM
iŽll buy a whammy... so what do i need to get this effect? just the pedal? :) i donŽt want to spend more money ;)

xtinction
28-08-2013, 08:51 PM
Cheers! Never used Ableton before (more of a Cubase guy myself) but it shouldn't be too hard to get done, been looking for a new MOTP sound as the quality I get from GR's pitch shifting is pretty bad.

And yes, the Whammy is all that's required money-wise, I mean, you need to get something like Cubase, Ableton, or Reaper, but those can be, ah, acquired, if you know what I mean :eyebrows:

MyChemGD1234
28-08-2013, 08:52 PM
but i want to play the effect without my computer D: any options? :)

Kueller917
28-08-2013, 09:00 PM
but i want to play the effect without my computer D: any options? :)

No there's really nothing that won't require either more spending or a computer. You need something to automate the Whammy.

MyChemGD1234
28-08-2013, 09:03 PM
No there's really nothing that won't require either more spending or a computer. You need something to automate the Whammy.
ok and spending a little bit more for a controller or something like that? how much would be one? would be awesome if it would be available in germany :D

Tom!
28-08-2013, 09:05 PM
ok and spending a little bit more for a controller or something like that? how much would be one? would be awesome if it would be available in germany :D

A Molton Midi unit will kind of do it, you'll be limited pattern wise though.

http://www.moltenvoltage.com/molten_midi_2.html

MyChemGD1234
28-08-2013, 09:09 PM
A Molton Midi unit will kind of do it, you'll be limited pattern wise though.

http://www.moltenvoltage.com/molten_midi_2.html
damn expensive! i thought about somehing for 25 euros D:

Kueller917
28-08-2013, 09:09 PM
Easiest, cheapest and most versatile option is a computer.

Unless you want to play live and don't have a laptop, then that might not be so cheap.

MyChemGD1234
28-08-2013, 09:13 PM
Easiest, cheapest and most versatile option is a computer.

Unless you want to play live and don't have a laptop, then that might not be so cheap.
did you said all these pro programmes are cheap? D: cubase?

xtinction
28-08-2013, 09:14 PM
Yeah, I personally wouldn't buy a Molten MIDI, as I cannot think of anything but Map that I would use it for. Whereas computers do a lot more.

Kueller917
28-08-2013, 09:19 PM
did you said all these pro programmes are cheap? D: cubase?

Reaper is cheap, and I got a USB to MIDI cable for $1 (don't use it anymore though).

MyChemGD1234
28-08-2013, 09:24 PM
Reaper is cheap, and I got a USB to MIDI cable for $1 (don't use it anymore though).
i have logic pro. is this useable?

haze015
28-08-2013, 09:27 PM
Cheers! Never used Ableton before (more of a Cubase guy myself) but it shouldn't be too hard to get done, been looking for a new MOTP sound as the quality I get from GR's pitch shifting is pretty bad.

And yes, the Whammy is all that's required money-wise, I mean, you need to get something like Cubase, Ableton, or Reaper, but those can be, ah, acquired, if you know what I mean :eyebrows:

Is your recently acquired version of Ableton 8.0.4?

'Cos that ain't good.

Kueller917
28-08-2013, 09:31 PM
i have logic pro. is this useable?

It should be.

haze015
28-08-2013, 09:38 PM
i have logic pro. is this useable?

Yeah.

Could probably do the sound in Logic Pro without buying a Whammy to start with.

MyChemGD1234
28-08-2013, 09:41 PM
Yeah.

Could probably do the sound in Logic Pro without buying a Whammy to start with.
iŽll buy a whammy :) itŽs not just because of THIS sound. i love thos whammy thinks :) and iŽll buy a fuzz factory :)

xtinction
28-08-2013, 10:00 PM
Uh. ya, that it is. I couldn't be arsed to trawl around for a safe version of the most up to date version, I just wanted something that could do what was mentioned concerning MOTP with the vocoder

haze015
28-08-2013, 10:10 PM
The vocoder in Logic Pro is more fiddly to set up than it is in in Ableton, but can still be done.

Tom!
29-08-2013, 07:37 PM
You have to think that if you're only buying this gear for this one song then is it really worth it? Chances are you'll be bored of it in a week.

MyChemGD1234
29-08-2013, 07:51 PM
You have to think that if you're only buying this gear for this one song then is it really worth it? Chances are you'll be bored of it in a week.
youŽre talking to me?

Tom!
30-08-2013, 06:17 AM
Yup

MyChemGD1234
30-08-2013, 07:19 AM
Yup
LOL?! As I said before i planned to buy a whammy and a fuzz factory before, because i love their sounds. THIS effect (MOTP-Effect) is just a little bonus ;)

muse59200
05-09-2013, 03:49 PM
Where can I find the midi file for MOTP ??

thanks :D




nobody ?

PHYXATION
26-09-2013, 11:05 AM
Anybody else using the clavia nord modular G2 for this at all?

rust_relic
26-09-2013, 01:26 PM
Matt Bellamy does

http://www.musewiki.org/images/BellamyRack.jpg

:)

PHYXATION
27-09-2013, 09:29 AM
Me too :P just didnt know if anyone else on the forum did too, looking for someone to compare patches with :D

muse59200
27-09-2013, 01:42 PM
Can you record a sample of it ?

is it easy to use ?

Phill
27-09-2013, 03:31 PM
what else are you using it for?

Tom!
28-09-2013, 10:09 AM
what else are you using it for?

This! Please say you're not just using it for that song. It's your gear and you can do with it as you wish but it's such a nice bit of kit.

PHYXATION
30-09-2013, 03:20 PM
The rig is obviously inspired by matts but i am using it for my own sound.
to answer muse59200 i sure can record a sample of it but no it isnt easy to use, i suppose for them who use synth all the time yeah, again it really depends what you want out of it. the one im most struggling with is getting the sequence for Dead stars latest synth sound, but map was really easy, all it enaded was a sequencer and 3 different octaves to trigger :)

to answer phil and tom i just use it for MOTP...just kidding, i got into synths back in college. piano and synth was all i was playing, so i bought the G2. i wont lie though every time matt has a new sound im really interested in how its made and what he uses for it so i bought the G2. its a great synth to use and because its rack mountable it makes it easy to take round to gigs, so its proving its uses in my own material :)

Dustin23
09-10-2013, 10:02 PM
Hey!

Could someone please post a link to the cubase file for the MOTP effect? I kind of need it urgently! I tried asking on youtube a couple weeks back but I have yet to receive a reply.

You can also send it to my e-mail, dustin_md@hotmail.com

Thanks so much! :)

Dustin23
11-10-2013, 07:25 PM
Anyone? :)

james90
11-10-2013, 07:33 PM
Which video was it? I might have it

Dustin23
11-10-2013, 07:51 PM
Which video was it? I might have it

oh it was this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybEWPpETLMU

but anyone will do :)

james90
11-10-2013, 07:55 PM
Oh right. I think the one I have is from that philam64 guy. Did you try his video? I think he got it from the guy in your video anyway

If not, I'll see if I can upload it. It's currently a full cubase project, and I can't upload that because it has the actual song in there.

Dustin23
11-10-2013, 07:57 PM
Oh right. I think the one I have is from that philam64 guy. Did you try his video? I think he got it from the guy in your video anyway

If not, I'll see if I can upload it. It's currently a full cubase project, and I can't upload that because it has the actual song in there.

oh yea, i tried contacting him too but no luck! maybe you can upload it and pm me or send it via my e-mail?

james90
11-10-2013, 08:03 PM
oh yea, i tried contacting him too but no luck! maybe you can upload it and pm me or send it via my e-mail?

I'll PM you the cubase project without the studio track. You should be able to add it in yourself when you open it in cubase (a box should pop up saying it's missing and ask for you to locate it)

Dustin23
11-10-2013, 08:08 PM
I'll PM you the cubase project without the studio track. You should be able to add it in yourself when you open it in cubase (a box should pop up saying it's missing and ask for you to locate it)

awesome!! thank you soooooooooooooo much!!!! :)

james90
11-10-2013, 08:12 PM
no problem - let me know if you need any help with it, but it should AT LEAST play the MIDI part. Just select your MIDI interface and set it on MIDI channel 11 so it works with the whammy.

Only thing that might not work properly at first is the studio track if you add that in, but it should control the whammy properly once you set the two things mentioned above.

Dustin23
11-10-2013, 08:19 PM
no problem - let me know if you need any help with it, but it should AT LEAST play the MIDI part. Just select your MIDI interface and set it on MIDI channel 11 so it works with the whammy.

Only thing that might not work properly at first is the studio track if you add that in, but it should control the whammy properly once you set the two things mentioned above.

ok thanks! yea i did it before a couple years back and then i formatted my computer and lost the file

I spent the past 2 weeks messaging random people on youtube for the file until i came to these boards haha :P thanks!

muse59200
11-10-2013, 08:51 PM
Argh...I don't have cubase....Do you have the midi file ??

Thanks.

eivdjo
14-10-2013, 04:51 PM
Would you mind sending me the file(s) too James?

james90
14-10-2013, 05:07 PM
Would you mind sending me the file(s) too James?

Sure - I'll just post it here in case anyone else wants it.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3obky9

It has the studio track removed, but the MIDI should work (once the correct interface is selected and is on channel 11). You'll need to locate the studio track on your computer if you want to play along to it.

muse59200
14-10-2013, 07:29 PM
Is it possible to export the midi file ? I don't have Cubase :(


thanks.

james90
14-10-2013, 07:39 PM
I'll try, but I've attempted to do that in the past and it didn't play anything :\ I'll upload what I have a bit later.

muse59200
14-10-2013, 08:08 PM
Ok, thanks man :)

Dominic.
14-10-2013, 08:13 PM
Can I take a gander at just the MIDI file as well James oxo

sergeykarakich
11-01-2014, 10:23 AM
Just bought a G2 Engine. Hope t record a demo next week.

sergeykarakich
22-01-2014, 01:43 PM
Sht! Anyone know how to program this for MOTP?

james90
22-01-2014, 04:14 PM
Sht! Anyone know how to program this for MOTP?

I would've just posted the whammy program changes, but that would be like tczechan giving someone a guitar tab for a trumpet solo

Can I take a gander at just the MIDI file as well James oxo

Did you get this to work? I exported the MIDI file (same one I uploaded recently) and changed the program changes to work with the whammy 5.... but while they were the correct program changes, the event order/timing/whatever got all screwed up. I don't understand how, unless something was wrong with the file after I exported it

Tom!
22-01-2014, 07:30 PM
Sht! Anyone know how to program this for MOTP?

I doubt anyone will know as most people here use a whammy for it. I hope you didn't buy it to just recreate that sound.

james90
22-01-2014, 07:35 PM
I bought a whammy IV to recreate the sound. :facepalm: Well that, and they deleted CC0 on the new one, so it doesn't work with my built in kaoss pad

Oh and maybe PM this guy about the G2, as I know he has one

http://board.muse.mu/member.php?u=433994

muse59200
22-01-2014, 07:40 PM
I can't even recreate the sound with my whammy IV.....:LOL:

sergeykarakich
23-01-2014, 04:37 PM
I doubt anyone will know as most people here use a whammy for it. I hope you didn't buy it to just recreate that sound.

This synthesizer is a modular structure. It is possible to recreate everything.

nerd herd
23-01-2014, 11:07 PM
Has anyone got/know of a MIDI to USB cable that works with Windows 8? It seems like loads won't work with it

james90
24-01-2014, 05:05 PM
Has anyone got/know of a MIDI to USB cable that works with Windows 8? It seems like loads won't work with it

Maybe try this one. I haven't used it with windows, but I haven't got anything bad to say about it

http://m-audio.com/products/en_us/Uno.html

It'll more than likely require you to install the windows 8 driver separately though (it can be downloaded from their website)

This synthesizer is a modular structure. It is possible to recreate everything.

Fascinating

nerd herd
24-01-2014, 05:50 PM
Thanks, James

lpdrummer
25-01-2014, 04:39 AM
I've got the effect programmed out for the Whammy Pedal in Ableton if anyone wants the file.

muse59200
25-01-2014, 07:55 AM
for whammy IV ? Yes I want :)

lpdrummer
29-01-2014, 12:46 AM
Here it is!

Map of the Problematique for Ableton Live (http://www.mediafire.com/download/5zbtw08ye2dd8lz/MOTP+for+Live.zip)

You'll need to locate the recorded version of the song in order to play along with it, but other than that, just go to arrangement view and the whole track is laid out from left to right. Also, make sure your MIDI cable's output is plugged into the Whammy.

Note: This was made in Ableton Live 8 to be used with a Whammy IV. It should work with newer versions, but I'm curious to see it's compatibility.

haze015
12-02-2014, 10:55 PM
This synthesizer is a modular structure. It is possible to recreate everything.

I've posted multiple times about how to recreate the sound accurately.

Basically just set up the Nord as a vocoder, pretty much mixing together a saw wave and a guitar.
You don't need the Nord G2 specifically, any old vocoder will do.

Also the Nord Modular is not a "true" modular, just operates like one, but with limitations whereas with a real one, the only limitations is what modules are on the market, your wallet and how conscious you are about saving the enviroment.

PHYXATION
17-02-2014, 04:26 AM
I've posted multiple times about how to recreate the sound accurately.

Basically just set up the Nord as a vocoder, pretty much mixing together a saw wave and a guitar.
You don't need the Nord G2 specifically, any old vocoder will do.

Also the Nord Modular is not a "true" modular, just operates like one, but with limitations whereas with a real one, the only limitations is what modules are on the market, your wallet and how conscious you are about saving the enviroment.

The most accurate sound you will get is with the NORD G2, good guitar with top pups and a good amp sound.

The patch for this dont use a vocoder however the synth modules you use in it are called filter voice where you select 3 vowels(AEIOU) which gives the input sound (guitar) a pertic filter sound.

the other things you need to use is the internal compressor of the nord, a EQ to change the tone of either the input or output and a good amp sound.

there is more you can use to get a better sound with the G2 but as they go for 500+ just try that method.

other hardware does really well for the song and some covers have been amazing sounding but not as close as the clavia.

Phill
17-02-2014, 09:13 AM
Someone post up a clip of this fancy Nord version. I'd be very surprised if it sounds any better than the sequenced whammy method.

Tom!
17-02-2014, 06:58 PM
Someone post up a clip of this fancy Nord version. I'd be very surprised if it sounds any better than the sequenced whammy method.

Or different enough to justify the price of the unit.

sergeykarakich
18-02-2014, 08:59 AM
Jst found a way to do it. I will try to record it soon.

haze015
18-02-2014, 09:02 AM
Someone post up a clip of this fancy Nord version. I'd be very surprised if it sounds any better than the sequenced whammy method.

The only real significant difference is that it is cleaner sounding than a Whammy and if I remember correctly, the WH4 would pop a bit, as well as the trademark glitches. Not tried a Whammy 5 though, so no idea how the polyphonic mode handles it.

james90
18-02-2014, 09:23 AM
The whammy 5 handles it pretty well. Very clean sounding compared to the IV and not noisy at all. Only thing is that I can't figure out the different patterns and their order (pretty sure that cubase project isn't 100% correct, and it doesn't even work with the whammy 5)

Dominic.
18-02-2014, 11:28 AM
Surely it must sound pretty accurate if you do the whammy pitch shift blended a little with the normal signal? Or at least in my head that works

muse59200
18-02-2014, 04:39 PM
none of the files work on my mac :$ .....anyone here have a good knowledge of midi stuff on logic X ?

Dominic.
18-02-2014, 05:45 PM
none of the files work on my mac :$ .....anyone here have a good knowledge of midi stuff on logic X ?


Ish, can send you my unsustainable file and you can have a gander at that. You have to go on piano roll then hyper editor or sutin and selected expression/program change from a drop down menu and make lines

Or sutin

muse59200
18-02-2014, 06:30 PM
I had your unsustainable midi file ( for whammy V ) it worked great on Reaper.

if you have a logic project, I can try something with that.

Dominic.
18-02-2014, 07:11 PM
I had your unsustainable midi file ( for whammy V ) it worked great on Reaper.

if you have a logic project, I can try something with that.

Ok, my internet's a bit sketchy at the moment but I'll try upload the logic file

Dominic.
26-02-2014, 08:52 PM
Made a new whammy file using harmony modes instead of just plain up down if anyone wants it

Dominic.
26-02-2014, 08:53 PM
As in for whammy 5, nowt much work to make it work for the other whammys though

lpdrummer
27-02-2014, 11:05 PM
I'd be curious to see how it sounds compared to the 100% pitch shifting mode. I've played around with it while controlling the pedal with my foot, but it probably sounds better having it switch between the octaves without the in-between bending.

Dominic.
27-02-2014, 11:18 PM
The quieter bit towards the end of the song sounds better to me. The part played on the C string doesn't sound fantastic, and the verse isn't great, but tbh I don't think the verse sounded fantastic with the other version anyway

haze015
17-04-2014, 01:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQz093e1K3Q

Finally got around to doing this!

From what I remember of the article where they explained it, this would need to be more complex, a different synthesiser with effects for each octave in the sequence basically. Possible within Ableton (Well any DAW really), but without knowing more about the equipment involved, mostly guesswork at that work.

Matthijs
18-04-2014, 03:54 PM
I have an in-ear recording of MOTP of Morgan's synths. It sounds really cool :awesome:

Dave
18-04-2014, 05:02 PM
Can someone tell is MOTP in actual Drop C or just E standard Low C?

james90
18-04-2014, 05:03 PM
Can someone tell is MOTP in actual Drop C or just E standard Low C?

Standard with the low E tuned to C

or CADGBE in other words

Dave
18-04-2014, 05:08 PM
Standard with the low E tuned to C

or CADGBE in other words

It really annoys me for some reason when people called stuff 'Drop C' when it isn't.

Larry.
18-04-2014, 05:14 PM
It really annoys me for some reason when people called stuff 'Drop C' when it isn't.

Especially when drop C is the third best tuning... right after FAGDAD and CABBAGE on a 7 string

Matthijs
18-04-2014, 05:39 PM
http://stickerish.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ISeeWhatYouDidThereWhiteSS.png

Dave
18-04-2014, 08:58 PM
Especially when drop C is the third best tuning... right after FAGDAD and CABBAGE on a 7 string

:LOL:

Tom!
19-04-2014, 08:33 PM
I have an in-ear recording of MOTP of Morgan's synths. It sounds really cool :awesome:

From which gig? I'd love to get hold of those. I have some of Chris's are they are pretty interesting to listen to.

Matthijs
19-04-2014, 08:35 PM
especially that hysteria click... it's on musebootlegs, antwerpen 2009.

Tom!
19-04-2014, 09:20 PM
Cheers Matt!

nerd herd
01-05-2014, 08:50 PM
Any chance someone has a MIDI file for this that'll work in cubase (sorry for being the 10000000000th person to ask)? I got one from here before but I think that was a whole project or something since my version of cubase was too old to run it :facepalm:

I'm having a go at making one myself but not having much luck so far

Musemannic
06-06-2014, 07:40 PM
Yeah I would love the cubase or Actual midi file too! I managed to programme my whammy to play Unsustainable and Drop my A string for Supremacy hands free ;D

PLEASE SOMEBODY SHARE <3:D

Witz
07-06-2014, 08:57 PM
Just wondering if this has been mentioned before, for the song big freeze Matt mentions he used a pedal made by Boss that ripped off the sound he invented for Map . I was just wondering what pedal it is and if anyone used it to cover map ?

james90
08-06-2014, 06:51 AM
Just wondering if this has been mentioned before, for the song big freeze Matt mentions he used a pedal made by Boss that ripped off the sound he invented for Map . I was just wondering what pedal it is and if anyone used it to cover map ?

I think that was said to be the SL20 slicer. Never tried it though

Witz
08-06-2014, 01:08 PM
I think that was said to be the SL20 slicer. Never tried it though

Ah ok cool, yeah I'm just very curious as the big freeze bit is very similar to Map and I was wondering if anyone had played around with it :)

sergeykarakich
10-06-2014, 07:35 AM
https://soundcloud.com/sergeykarakich/motp-wg21
I finally recorded this... So close, but not correct. It needs some filters for more airy sound...
Sorry for out of sync

Phill
10-06-2014, 05:25 PM
What's going on there? Sounds like there's more laying than with the whammy shifting but def better clarity and tone with the whammy!

Dave
10-06-2014, 06:28 PM
It's definitely better.

sergeykarakich
21-07-2014, 08:20 PM
https://soundcloud.com/sergeykarakich/motp-1-1saw
I used to mix synth wave/normal tone and freq-shift. Sounds a bit closer..