Guns 'n' Roses

[sned]

Hmm, kinda didnt seem worth starting a whole thread just for this.. but has anyone got Paradise City by G n R downloaded that they could send to me? i have downloaded so many crappy versions.

just add me to your msn thing!

cheers. ed

[kaz_tigg]

nah... i dont have it... it the best song eva tho. i'll pm u someone that might have it.

[Britrock]

I've got it, but my msn is shite. :(

[Ollie of Symmetry]

Hey guys i have heard like lots of there singles and they seem pretty good, are the albums any good at all?

would it be worth a purchase ;)

thanks.... :)

[Gem]

Use Search

[€ngel]

Hey guys i have heard like lots of there singles and they seem pretty good, are the albums any good at all?

would it be worth a purchase ;)

thanks.... :)
You don't have atleast one GNR album..? How's that possible..? :stunned:

[Ollie of Symmetry]

You don't have atleast one GNR album..? How's that possible..? :stunned:

lol yeah i nearly bougth the greatest hits but i never did in the end, woudl u reccomend it, or apart rom like the 5 well known tracks, r all the other tracks average or r they all goood ;)

[Josh =/]

i hate guns n roses :indiffere

[Ollie of Symmetry]

i hate guns n roses :indiffere

lol fair enough ;)

where abouts from leicester are you from by the way, i am from a place called Desford if you have heard of it?

:)

[kev]

skip greatest hits and just buy the albums. im sure you can get them sooo cheap nowadays.

[€ngel]

skip greatest hits and just buy the albums. im sure you can get them sooo cheap nowadays.
I agree. Eventhough Axl is an idiot, he did some good things back then! Don't buy The Spagetti Accident though!!!

[Mullin]

I have the Greatest Hits! It rules! :D

[pluk]

tsk, tsk... that's The Spaghetti Incident?, Marieke :p

GNR... ooh, trip down memory-lane

Appetite for Destruction and Use Your Illussion I + II are very much worth getting

afore mentioned The Spaghetti Incident? and GNR Lies aren't all that great IMO (except for maybe 2 or 3 tracks)

[Thessi]

Use your Illusion 1 & 2 are good.
I loved 'Coma'. Such a song :D

Axl's voice is rather terrible but I like it. For nostalgy's sake.

[kobain]

oh please! everybody luvs um! :LOL:

right? :$

[Miss Blee]

Please use search before making new topics. Thanks.

[cloud]

i hate guns n roses :indiffere
I'm with you.

[azima]

heh...thought i'd resurrect this thread by asking if anyone's heard the demo's for chinese democracy that are around?

TWAT is amazing. i really hope axl gets round to releasing this....


x x x

[Clunge]

I'm with you.
I'm with you and the other one.

[mr.jingles]

I wonder what we'll see first...

Peace In The Middle East or Chinese Democracy being released.

[Aneta]

Axl- he doesn't change... that's cool

the new guns n roses is pretty good.. I have to say... those new guitarits are really good :eek:

[Bradass]

It's a shame to see talented musicians wasted on Axl's mediocre little farce.

[Max]

Axl Rose is one of the people that live on Earth that I would like to torture. Alive.

[Aneta]

Axl Rose is one of the people that live on Earth that I would like to torture. Alive.

I'd be to scared to torture him...




:LOL:

[BuryMe]

heh...thought i'd resurrect this thread by asking if anyone's heard the demo's for chinese democracy that are around?

TWAT is amazing. i really hope axl gets round to releasing this....


x x x

TWAT is fucking cool! The guitars in that song are fucking ridiculous. I like what I've heard from Axl so far, and would buy that fucking album in a heartbeat...........if he lets me

[Killarney]

I was a fan when I was a teenager (yes, it was a very long time ago ! lol ;) ) For me, G'NR isn't G'NR anymore without Izzy, Slash and Duff...
I am sick of hearing that the new album is coming, AxL should have changed the name of the band and everything...

[BuryMe]

I was a fan when I was a teenager (yes, it was a very long time ago ! lol ;) ) For me, G'NR isn't G'NR anymore without Izzy, Slash and Duff...
I am sick of hearing that the new album is coming, AxL should have changed the name of the band and everything...


I agree. I think Axl is a very difficult but talented person. I can't in God's name figure why he would keep the name of the band without Slash & Duff. He could have gone around as just Axl Rose and would probably do quite well - much like Ozzy did after Sabbath.

[Britrock]

Axl Rose is one of the people that live on Earth that I would like to torture. Alive.
Torturing dead people isnt much fun though, is it? :p

But yeah, Axl, cunt. End of really.

G 'n' R back in the day though were awesome. Appetite for destruction is a brilliant album.

[Aneta]

I was a fan when I was a teenager (yes, it was a very long time ago ! lol ;) ) For me, G'NR isn't G'NR anymore without Izzy, Slash and Duff...
I am sick of hearing that the new album is coming, AxL should have changed the name of the band and everything...

I saw Izzy at Download Festival this year. He's still fit :happy:

.. and yeah, I agree with you.. they should av changed the name

[Henz]

Torturing dead people isnt much fun though, is it? :p
Damn you got there first. lol +1

"Torture him! ALIVE!" LOLZ I wanna make some crap supervillain film just to use that line.

[mr.jingles]

Guns N' Roses could have been the greatest band in the world right now if it wasn't for Axl's antics.

At one point during the early 90s it seemed like Guns N' Roses was the biggest band of earth (if not one of the biggests alongside with U2 and Metallica). Yet Guns N' Roses demise came thanks to Axl's behavior, his abuse towards bandmates, his brawls with crew members and even fans, and the typical no shows where Axl would either walk off the stage in the middle of the show or quite simply not show up to the gig where he's supossed to perform.
Things haven't changed much. Axl keeps hiring musicians for his new band and they soon get sick and tired of putting up with his bullshit. The 2002 tour flopped when Axl failed to show up to his first date, then began the shows that started 2/3 hours late from actual schedule, and his decision to not show up to the show in Philly that ended up in the cancelation of the tour.
Yet, the most pathetic thing of all the long long fuckin' long awaited 'Chinese Democracy' that has been announced to be released and postponed a countless number of times since 1999. Axl has annouced that March 6th 2007 will be the release date of 'Chinese Democracy', but at this point it's hard to believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

Too bad because it seemed like Guns N' Roses was destined to be the new Stones or the next Led Zeppelin, instead they became the band that could have been but never was.

[No.11]

Bumping a dead thread... :D

March 6th has come and gone...and still no Chinese Democracy...what the hell is he going to wait for ACTUAL Chinese Democracy to release the fucking album?

[mr.jingles]

Bumping a dead thread... :D

March 6th has come and gone...and still no Chinese Democracy...what the hell is he going to wait for ACTUAL Chinese Democracy to release the fucking album?

Statistics show that the average Guns N' Roses fan will be dead by the time 'Chinese Democracy' hits the shelves.

[Zeek]

http://web.gunsnroses.com/splash.jsp

After reading Slash's autobiography, i googled gnr, whom i was a massive fan of when i was a young teenager! So 13 yrs down the line they are actually releasing an album!! I heard they were around but never paid much attention, was surprised to find this!! Opinions?

Mine is GNR is not really the proper GNR i cant decide whether i like that sound or not!

[Erica-Jane]

http://web.gunsnroses.com/splash.jsp

After reading Slash's autobiography, i googled gnr, whom i was a massive fan of when i was a young teenager! So 13 yrs down the line they are actually releasing an album!! I heard they were around but never paid much attention, was surprised to find this!! Opinions?

Mine is GNR is not really the proper GNR i cant decide whether i like that sound or not!

dude! i don't know if there is a thread for GNR, i should have found it by now :p

i love them too :happy: slash is my guitar idol...oh yeah, this is non-muse, so i don't have to mention bellamy :LOL:

i know! 10 yrs in the making, and only axl being the legit member :p should be hilarious...

my opinion: old GNR is the best, they shouldn't have split, and now axl should just give it a rest :yesey:

[Clunge]

I can't say I'm a fan of GnR at all, though I will be intrigued to hear Chinese Democracy and just assess it for what it is. I can't imagine it being all that good... :LOL:.

Also, there's an existing GnR thread, ici: http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=7630

[Erica-Jane]

:eek: only three pages long? :wtf:

i would have thought there would be more GNR fans around here...:erm:

anyways, i love GNR, 'cept the "new" version of them...am probably going to see what Chinese Democracy is like on the radio before i buy it :rolleyes:

anyways, am glad i found this thread now :D

[Lucifer Sam]

Hurrah, downloading now!

[Max]

I shall demand that once we close at work tomorrow that this CD goes on.

[Raiko]

Guns N' Roses are still legends, if not on the same scale as other rock bands. For the short few years they were actually going, they released a far stronger set of material than most bands manage in their careers.

It's just a shame i'm not such a big fan of the new single. Hope the rest of the album has more to it.

[Ross]

so, are americans taking Dr Pepper up on their offer? :LOL:

[Lucifer Sam]

so, are americans taking Dr Pepper up on their offer? :LOL:

What offer was that?

[Ross]

http://www.nme.com/news/guns-n-roses/35433

[Raiko]

I think they had a single weekend, days after the announcement, to go online and redeem a free coupon for a Dr Pepper. I wonder how many people bothered to react... :rolleyes:

[Lucifer Sam]

ha, that's awesome!

gonna get my listening on:\mm/:

[Ross]

http://www.nme.com/news/guns-n-roses/41220

more recent.


we'll see :LOL:

[lyricalwax]

Listened to this the other day, was going to post here to see other people's reaction considering it's had so much press and people have been waiting forever, but was surprised to see there weren't any!
Anyway I really didn't like it, sounds very outdated and I hate Axl's voice, don't see what all the fuss is about. I think Sorry sounds ok though.

[€ngel]

I heard it on the GNR myspage page. I wasn't very impressed, but it wasn't horrid either. Maybe I should listen to it again... I was a HUGE GNR fan back in the day. :happy:

[mr.jingles]

Listened to this the other day, was going to post here to see other people's reaction considering it's had so much press and people have been waiting forever, but was surprised to see there weren't any!
Anyway I really didn't like it, sounds very outdated and I hate Axl's voice, don't see what all the fuss is about. I think Sorry sounds ok though.

That's what happens when you spend 12 years recording an album.

[mr.jingles]

OK, I just listened to it...

Here's a message for the Axl bashers who constantly remind us that there's no G'n'R withouth Slash and expected this to be a complete utter failure... IT'S NOT THAT BAD. In fact, the album itself is pretty damn well produced, and while it doesn't particularly have the rocking edge of Appetite For Destruction, it has the cross-over appeal of Use Your Illusion I & II.

...and another message for the Axl butt-lickers... IT'S NOT WORTH THE WAIT. Yes, it's a good album, but 12 FUCKIN' YEARS IS WAY TOO DAMN LONG TO WAIT FOR ANY ALBUM.

[Mo0by]

It was never going to live up to the hype.

I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet but the first single wasn't anything spectacular. I don't think axl has grasped the idea that band releases get better if you release more frequently(ish) albums instead of playing ideas around in your head for 10 years.

[Lucifer Sam]

Listened to this the other day, was going to post here to see other people's reaction considering it's had so much press and people have been waiting forever, but was surprised to see there weren't any!
Anyway I really didn't like it, sounds very outdated and I hate Axl's voice, don't see what all the fuss is about. I think Sorry sounds ok though.

yeh that aspect of it wasn't the best, it was painful in some sections to listen to.

[Sophie.]

I still haven't heard Chinese Democracy. Lazy arse.

[pubicmage]

Is the new album as bad as Appetite for Destruction? It will probably be the worst album of 2008 if it's even half as bad.

[Noel Gallagher]

Is the new album as bad as Appetite for Destruction? It will probably be the worst album of 2008 if it's even half as bad.

It's terrible, nothing but a tribute act thesedays i'm afraid. This band should simply not be allowed to carry the Guns 'n' Roses banner.

[Juuso]

Is the new album as bad as Appetite for Destruction? It will probably be the worst album of 2008 if it's even half as bad. It sounds like that if it had been done in 6 months, it would actually be decent. They've added so much unnecessary stuff on the songs that it's ridiculous.

Though a really bright point for the album: it has dynamics. A "modern" rock album with proper dynamics. Loud parts actually sound loud and soft parts sound soft. Maybe it was produced and mixed 6 years ago? :LOL:

[Sophie.]

I finally gave in and downloaded it this morning, listened to a couple of tracks and got a headache. Screech screech screech...

Liking the dynamic range though, at least there's something good about it. Shall give it a proper listen later, I think

[Dark_Phoenix]

Wow. Only 4 pages on what may have been and still (somehow) is (IMO) the best rock band (yeah I'll come back to that later) on the planet? Yet I'm not that surprised.

I'll have to admit it: I didn't know much about Guns N' Roses until Chinese Democracy was released. As a matter of facts, I knew Velvet Revolver discography by heart, I could name every song, but I knew like 4 or 5 songs of the old GNR (you could be mine -who doesn't know that song?-, paradise city, sweet child o' mine, welcome to the jungle... well the obvious songs).

Why didn't I know of GNR much? Because we're in a sad age where people think they have "good tastes" and think it's good to name, say, Radiohead and Pink Floyd as their favourite band (not bashing anyone liking those bands, I like Pink Floyd for a few songs, and same goes for Radiohead). We also live in an age where people focus too much appearance (that's why aberrations like Tokio Hotel emerged) and personality of the artists (if they're assholes, you stop listening to/ watching them. Last but not least, with the internet, people are overwhelmed with nformations, so what matters really is the latest news.
Now combine all those factors: good taste, appearance, personality and news ---> Not Guns N' Roses.


Guns N' Roses is anything but a formated band (even if it's obvious Axl was a fan of Aerosmith) and its frontman Axl Rose is anything but an ordinary guy.

I find it very interesting to talk about GNR on a Muse forum, because Muse have no common point at all with GNR: Muse show up on time and on every gig, they deliver their album on time, they give news, they always have the same lineup and only add musicians as opposed to replacing or firing them, they make you think they care about the fans, they don't talk on stage, they don't communicate with the crowd, they don't go on interesting rants or monologues, and they don't give a shit about their premeditated and boring setlist (oh sorry, my bad, yay, a b-side in twenty gigs). Guns N' Roses and Muse are complete opposites. Matt may be jumping, he'll never have the rock attitude Axl had (has?), and Axl will never play guitar correctly.

But they both make what I consider GOOD music and they're both bands which are above any other band of their time. Muse may be mainstream but people know there's something in their music that means much more than Placebo or Green Day for example. Same goes for Guns N' Roses who were a lot more relevant than most rock bands in their time, even Metallica where a lot of the crowd went to see GNR when GNR were playing with Metallica (reason why Metallica got the fame in the end? Well steady frontman, and the same boring music, just like another band... what's the name again... oh yeah, AC/DC, the guys that manage to take two years to make a "new" album before figuring out it's the same album as the previous one).
Oh, another common point, Terminator 2 kinda helped (if they could be more famous before T2) make GNR even bigger, I think the same happened for Muse with Twilight, I was on a shooting last week and one of the actresses recognized Supermassive black hole in my car and told me how much she loved that band since she saw... Twilight.




Anyway. I guess to most people, Guns N' Roses doesn't really mean much. Now, I'm really posting to convince some of you young, or older, people, to listen or relisten to this band. If you're still reading and before I go on saying why Chinese Democracy is the album of the year (and last year), take the time to listen to a few GNR songs:

-Don't Cry
-Patience
-Nightrain
-Sweet Child O' Mine
-Don't damn me
-Estranged
-There was a Time
-I.R.S.
-You could be mine
-Rocket Queen
-November Rain
-Dead Horse (the melody sucks but the "and I didn't know what to do" followed by the crack and Axl's scream is bloody amazing, one of the best things I've heard in a record, ever)
-Since I don't have you (yeah it's a cover and it's pretty mellow)
-Street of Dreams
-Welcome to the jungle

These are just a few but it'll give you some idea of what the band is on the whole.

[Dark_Phoenix]

Part 2.






Now to understand what the band really is about, you gotta watch this:


Sweet child o' mine at the Ritz 88 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIM_PL8BAA This is, IMO, where you understand the band's potential.



Civil War live 90 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH2-AzUtbq4


Welcome to the jungle in St Louis 91 with Axl's Rant :D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cV5o-ypEB0

Rock Queen Incident 91: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di3DaFifceg


Paradise City, same year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqTuN-35580


Don't Cry live in Tokyo 92 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnXR2VVkPHY

Estranged, same gig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybXXWIOXRnk





Now, these are videos from the "old" band. Even so, it's funny describing it as the "old band", because most people seem to forget that the original drummer, Steven Adler, was fired because of drug addiction in 90. He was replaced by Matt Sorum (now playing with Slash and Duff in Velvet Revolver -hum even if that band is on hold at the moment) and rythm guitarist Izzy Stradlin left the band in 91. So in those videos, the "real old band"is only on the 88 videos and 90 Civil War video.
Also, a new member came for the Illusions tour in 91, the keyboard player Dizzy Reed (don't confuse him with Izzy Stradlin), which is the only member of the "old" era which is still in the band (guitarist Paul Tobias also have been a part of the band for a long time).


The band recorded nothing after the cover album "The Spaghetti Incident?" after 93, except a Rolling Stones cover "Sympathy for the devil".


In 97, Slash (lead guitar), Duff (bassist), and Matt (drums) all quit the band because of Axl acting like a dictator (as they said). Axl made sure to make these guys sign papers giving him full rights to the name Guns N' Roses (but they do get royalties for the old albums). Axl wanted the sound of Guns N' Roses to move in a new direction, not always the same Rock n' roll scheme, and Slash just wanted to keep going in the same direction (which he did, if you listen to Velvet Revolver, it's the same old stuff over and over again).

Axl was all alone in the band in 97 and had to move one. He hired drummer Josh Freese in 97 and together they recorded a demo of the title song "Chinese Democracy", and apparently, a good portion of the album Chinese Democracy was composed between 97 and 99 (There was a time, I.R.S. and Catcher in the rye were all completed in 99, more or so).

What happened to Axl between 97 and 2001 is very obscure, no one really knows, he apparently became some kind of recluse and apparently had plastic surgery as well as hair transplant (or maybe the surgery went bad and made him bald). That really seems to have played a role on how the music turned out, as well as the production and the ever changing line up.

The new guns n' roses first played together in Las Vegas in January 2001. The new formation was with Robin Finck (from NIN), Buckethead (guitar genius), drummer Brain (who replaced Freese), bassist Tommy Stinson, and I'm not sure if Bumblefoot and Richard Fortus were already in the band at that time.


Anyway, the real show of 2001 for the nuGNR as the fans called them, and time to prove what they were worth, was the Rock in Rio III 2001 show. And... Axl had lost it. He wasn't as fit as he was, couldn't run while singing, couldn't sing correctly and seemed kinda uncomfortable at times with the crowd (which makes sense since he had been out ot the game for so long):


Welcome to the jungle in Rio 2001: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qArjtXfFLt0


Nightrain 2001: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlyaz4QMRpA&feature=related




The ending speech of that show is very moving as Axl reveals some stuff about what happened after the GNR break: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVxxWxFo30Y




The next year, GNR came back to the 2002 MTV music awards, and Axl, while seeming more in shape, had totally lost his voice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oz4VqyQASI


Then nuGNR played some live shows across the world in 2002 and nothing happened during 4 years. No Chinese Democracy, no nothing. The fans were waiting forever for a new album, they wanted a new tour, but nothing. Axl seemed to have gone in a recluse mode again.


But in 2006, a new world tour was announced, and that one lasted for over a year. This was Axl's real come back has he got his voice back (not heard since 93), and played a lot of both the old songs and new songs of Guns N' Roses.


I.R.S. live 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1upAw0WLVxs


Patience live 2006http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiMBhZXbMwY




As I said, the tour lasted more than a year, then nothing happened until november 2008 when Chinese Democracy was finally released. It had some press in America apparently, but over here in France nobody talked about it (although it had a good promotion in stores). At that time, like I said, I didn't know much about Guns N' Roses and I only found out about Chinese Democracy thanks to deezer, because somebody had uploaded the full album, and out of curiosity I listened to it. And I hated it. But in a weird way. I couldn't tell which track was which. It was the first time in my life that I came across an album I didn't enjoy but that I felt the need I had to heard again because something hit me. Something right in the album hit me and although it sounded wrong in my ears, it sounded right in my heart. And then again I didn't give a **** about Guns N' Roses or what it meant. It was just about the music. Each day I was playing the album on deezer and it grew on me immensely. The lyrics were incredible, I was finding something new in the music each time, I... don't know how to explain it. But this album is incredibly rich. And you definitely will have to hear it more than once to appreciate it. But it's really is bloody amazing. DON'T listen to it on your ipod, listen to it at home with a good stereo. It's meant to be played loud. Definitely. The guitar work by Buckethead is bloody amazing, and Robin Finck also did an excellent job.

To me, the best track on the album is "This I love", followed closely by "I.R.S" and "There was a time".


Then I fully discovered Appetite for destruction which fukkin rocked my life, it was so different, but at the same time it was in the same spirit: Guns N' Roses, hate and love. I think that if you listen carefully to all those albums, you'll really sense this Guns N' Roses feel, Axl Rose really knows what he's dealing with and talking about as opposed to Slash who didn't quite get it. To Slash, music is about guitar, and that's a bit sad. VR's lyrics are shallow and the melodies are bland and "already heard" (still can't believe they dared ripping off "Vertigo" from U2 with "she builds quick machines).



Anyway. Listen to Guns N' Roses (old or new, both, whatever), this is what music is about to me. Next time I check here I'll talk about how fucking great and yet at the same time overrated Nine Inch Nails is.

[Killarney]

Whaou Dark Phoenix, you seems really inspired ! :D
I was a great fan during my teen age, but waiting for Chinese democracy was too long for me. I have gone to some other things even if I always enjoy to hear the older songs ! It is weird for me to hear some old stuff (like beautiful Patience) without all the early band and with just an Axl I barely recognize...

Good luck to nuGn'R anyway ! :)

[Lucifer Sam]

CIVIL WAR

:\mm/:

[BlissBorn]

I consider about 1/2 of this album dogshit and about 1/2 very good

That may sound strange, but this doesn't sound like an "album" to me..just a collection of songs and some are good some are not

Prostitute, Sorry, Better, Twat , If the World pretty cool

[*OoS*]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNdYjDKtc2U&

Awesome :D

[Jyrgen]

GUNS ARE BACK BABY

No seriously, they have a sold out gig @ Taipei in under 20 hours. :dance:

I'd give a finger or a toe to be there.

[Naughtrish]

Waiting for them to confirm the Buenos Aires gig :D
It would be my 2nd time, the first one was in 1992, Use your Illusion tour :)

[Jyrgen]

Waiting for them to confirm the Buenos Aires gig :D
It would be my 2nd time, the first one was in 1992, Use your Illusion tour :)

:eek: 1992? Awesome!

[belleooo]

Guns and Roses rock.... lol. Great band. Especially when Slash was around. :D

[P-Mac]

T-shirts featuring Slash were banned at a recent concert.

Axl needs to let it die. Guns N' Roses are over. It ended in 1997. It's just a name he uses for tours and solo music in my opinion. Chinese Democracy is a terrible album.

Velvet Revolver were better. Contraband and Libertad to me are the albums the classic lineup should have made.

I'd love to see a reunion, but that is as unlikely as The Smiths getting back together.

[Hi, how may I help you?]

T-shirts featuring Slash were banned at a recent concert.

Axl needs to let it die. Guns N' Roses are over. It ended in 1997. It's just a name he uses for tours and solo music in my opinion. Chinese Democracy is a terrible album.

Velvet Revolver were better. Contraband and Libertad to me are the albums the classic lineup should have made.

I'd love to see a reunion, but that is as unlikely as The Smiths getting back together.

:noey: .... Did they make you go in topless if you were wearing one? :chuckle:

I have Duff Mckagan's plectrum from a VR gig :awesome:

[Jyrgen]

T-shirts featuring Slash were banned at a recent concert.

Axl needs to let it die. Guns N' Roses are over. It ended in 1997. It's just a name he uses for tours and solo music in my opinion. Chinese Democracy is a terrible album.

Velvet Revolver were better. Contraband and Libertad to me are the albums the classic lineup should have made.

I'd love to see a reunion, but that is as unlikely as The Smiths getting back together.

But there's evidence that the ban was the idea of the security management of the place. It wasn't an order from any member of the band.

IMO Axl managed to create a great album. He gets a lot of shit thrown at him because Slash, Duff, Matt left the band a long ago which is pretty unfair. But yeah, it took him too much time to release it.

Contraband is a great album too, but Libertad is uninspired and boring (with a couple of good songs on it though).

A reunion would be very fun but I like the current lineup very much and they are apparently a killer live act.

[mr.jingles]

Has anyone read Slash's autobiography?

I found it very compelling and honest. I was expecting a lot of shit about Axl, and sure there's a lot of stories about Axl being an asshole, but at least I have to give Slash credit for not giving a one sided retrospective and giving Axl credit for good things he did.

[Jyrgen]

Has anyone read Slash's autobiography?

I found it very compelling and honest. I was expecting a lot of shit about Axl, and sure there's a lot of stories about Axl being an asshole, but at least I have to give Slash credit for not giving a one sided retrospective and giving Axl credit for good things he did.

Haven't read it. Interestingly, Axl said in 2008 that Slash's book is utter horseshit :LOL:

BTW, Richard Fortus of GN'R accepted my Facebook friend request :awesome: :awesome:

[nataly]

Omfg i'm going to see Guns live in april :eek::dance:

[Jyrgen]

Omfg i'm going to see Guns live in april :eek::dance:

Wow, where :eek:

[nataly]

Wow, where :eek:

They're going to come to Quito (Ecuador) :awesome:, i still haven't searched about the gig but it's confirmed :yesey::dance:. Omg i'm going to see Axl :'(:chuckle:

[Jyrgen]

That's just :awesome:!

European dates next please :D

[abomufc108]

Appetite for Destruction, Use your Illusion I & II and Lies are quality albums the rest is shit.

[Originally_Symmetrical]

I think they're a little overrated, but I still like them. :D

[abomufc108]

They are overrated, I loath Rose and Slash is one motherfucikn overrated guitarist. I like the albums I listed tho.

[Gigapoodle]

Slash is a bit overrated to me, but I still love him. Then again, I'm not a guitarist, what would I know.

Appetite was my favorite album for a long time, but as of late it's dropped off my radar. Shame.

[davetoms]

I'm surprised nobody has yet brought up the Reading/Leeds farce in this thread.

[Jyrgen]

I was wondering that too

The performances itself weren't bad, but Axl sounded a bit tired at Reading. The only thing that made it a farce was the promoter pulling the plug.

I think this is pretty awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd2xVtDdY8k

[Juuso]

Axl is a cunt and overslept his gig. This isn't 80's, you don't do that shit anymore to your fans. Cocky rock stars can fuck off. Promoter pulled the plug because their license was at stage, no sane promoter would put that in danger for Guns'n'lols.

[Caff]

I'm surprised nobody has yet brought up the Reading/Leeds farce in this thread.

I wasn't surprised. Happened at my first Leeds fest in 2002 and rumour among the crowd was Axl was being a giant douche and refused to go on stage so long as there were other bands playing other stages. Dunno how true it was but he did make people wait over an hour, prick.

Also joke was on him...a lot of people fucked off back to their tent before GnR even appeared!

I don't blame the promoters from pulling the plug. It cost Leeds Council shed loads of money last time this big baby decided he was bigger than the festival. A 23:00/23:30 curfew is more than reasonable.

[binarysonnets]

I wasn't surprised. Happened at my first Leeds fest in 2002 and rumour among the crowd was Axl was being a giant douche and refused to go on stage so long as there were other bands playing other stages. Dunno how true it was but he did make people wait over an hour, prick.

Also joke was on him...a lot of people fucked off back to their tent before GnR even appeared!



wow he really hasnt learned anything in 8 years because he made us wait for an hour at reading an by the time they came on loads of people had fucked off back to the campsite. im proud to be one of those people. :LOL:

[Ross]

wow he really hasnt learned anything in 8 years because he made us wait for an hour at reading an by the time they came on loads of people had fucked off back to the campsite. im proud to be one of those people. :LOL:
The smart people went to see Phoenix and LCD Soundsystem

[garseys]

:facepalm: I feel really sorry to people who paid 60 quid to see these guys...

Disaster was in the air at tonight's Guns N' Roses gig at The O2 when front man Axl Rose walked off stage after only 20 minutes. Fans were left bitterly disappointed after waiting for over an hour for the band to appear on stage in the first instance.

Trouble was brewing as fans began to get agitated whilst waiting for Guns N' Roses to come on stage, only making an appearance at 10.25pm - well over an hour after the support act, Danko, had finished playing. Some angry fans booed and threw a few beer/water bottles on stage in protest at the delay.

After a mediocre start, Axl Rose stopped the band after breaking into Welcome to the Jungle - just as the crowd were beginning to be won over - after another bottle was thrown up on stage. At this he announced "one more bottle and we're going home, we're here to have fun and we hope you are too, but one more and we are gone".

The gig continued for another 3 songs and as Rose was introducing the band, another missile was thrown at the band. At this, Rose took the band, bid his goodnight and stormed off the stage at about 10.50pm.

Just after 11pm, a member of the O2 staff arrived on stage telling the crowd that there were some "technical difficulties" and they were trying to get GnR back on stage. A short while after, another staff member arrived on stage to plead with the now depleting crowd to stop throwing bottles as they were still trying to get Axl Rose to return to the stage. 11.10pm, the house lights came on and the majority of the crowd left The O2.

The night was not over yet however, with GnR returning to the stage at about 11.25pm and continued playing a set to a small but pretty irate crowd.

No official statement has been issued as of yet, nor any news about refunds - if any - but stay tuned for further updates.

[Jyrgen]

:facepalm: I feel really sorry to people who paid 60 quid to see these guys...

I too, but only because of those fuckers who threw bottles & cans of piss at them to get a reaction from Axl (which happens quite often). Should a band tolerate that? (A GN'R member got once a hit to his head & was sent to hospital because of this)

And why would someone buy a ticket to be able to throw crap at them? :confused:

[Davey25]

they got bottled off in dublin:LOL:

anyone who makes a habit of turning up an hour late to their shows deserves to get bottled to fuck

[forevermusic]

:facepalm: I feel really sorry to people who paid 60 quid to see these guys...

They're not really doing themselves too many favours in the public eye at the monet are they? :LOL:

[binarysonnets]

they got bottled off in dublin:LOL:

anyone who makes a habit of turning up an hour late to their shows deserves to get bottled to fuck

indeed. you cant piss people off then throw a hissy fit because they're pissed off.

axl rose - if you turn up on time you wont get bottled. if you turn up late and get bottled it's probably best to grin and bear it as you brought it on yourself.

[Sippe]

I too, but only because of those fuckers who threw bottles & cans of piss at them to get a reaction from Axl (which happens quite often). Should a band tolerate that? (A GN'R member got once a hit to his head & was sent to hospital because of this)

And why would someone buy a ticket to be able to throw crap at them? :confused:
They are buying tickets too see GnR, when the band(Axl in particular) can't bother to give any sort of respect to the audience, and come hours late and just being an arrogant prick, why shouldn't they be pissed?

Question to you, should the FANS tolerate that?

[Llama of Time]

While the fans throwing stuff is a bit crappy, at the same time it wouldn't have happened if Axl had actually came on in time. Dude seriously is a prick. I love their music but damn.

If you came there on time and stuff and got stuff thrown at you (and not just one thing), then you may be rightful to get up and leave, but they were their way late and acting like assholes.

Is it that hard to come on time?

[vibrantXhearts]

The thing that gets me, is that he goes on about people not respecting him, blah blah blah. But Axl, you don't respect your fans!

I don't agree with bottling at all, but Christ. . .I don't want to say he deserved it, but. . .well. . .:erm: There's a little evil part of me. . .

[Ross]

The thing that gets me, is that he goes on about people not respecting him, blah blah blah. But Axl, you don't respect your fans!

I don't agree with bottling at all, but Christ. . .I don't want to say he deserved it, but. . .well. . .:erm: There's a little evil part of me. . .
only a little bit? come on, it's axl rose, the biggest cock in the histtry of music:LOL:

[Jyrgen]

They are buying tickets too see GnR, when the band(Axl in particular) can't bother to give any sort of respect to the audience, and come hours late and just being an arrogant prick, why shouldn't they be pissed?

Question to you, should the FANS tolerate that?

Sorry for the late answer -

1) I think the fans should tolerate if Axl's like an hour or 1 hour 30 min late. (Often he's like 45 min late.) After all, they're fans, aren't they. Muse was an hour late when I saw them last year and it didn't bother me at all because the show was well worth it.

2) Most fans attending the shows know he won't probably be on time anyway.

3) Though he tends to be late, he does respect the audience judging by the actual performances.

4) How's he an arrogant prick? What do you mean in particular? Cause that might be an exaggeration. I know he's a bit insane though.

[Clunge]

You have a scheduled time. You stick to it.

End of. If you don't, you're a cock.

[Obi]

Sorry for the late answer -

1) I think the fans should tolerate if Axl's like an hour or 1 hour 30 min late. (Often he's like 45 min late.) After all, they're fans, aren't they. Muse was an hour late when I saw them last year and it didn't bother me at all because the show was well worth it.

2) Most fans attending the shows know he won't probably be on time anyway.

3) Though he tends to be late, he does respect the audience judging by the actual performances.

4) How's he an arrogant prick? What do you mean in particular? Cause that might be an exaggeration. I know he's a bit insane though.

Copied from another forum:

this was posted on the classic rock website by someone who was actually in attendance at the Dublin gig recently:
I was at the .. debacle last night.
It was a disgrace. There is a , usually , strict curfew on shows in the O2 arena. They must be over by 23:00 hours. So when people are left wondering when the show will start and its almost 22:30 they are also begining to wonder how much of a show they are likely to see.
Axl finally arrived , after a 4 min intro ! , and hadn’t even done a sound check. The poor techie trying to wire him up got a smack in the head for his troubles.
He was out of time with the band and out of breath by the end of the song.
When the first objects were thrown , they were plastic pint glasses , Axl stopped the show and issued a warning that he would go homehow if any more objects were thrown at him.
He managed to get through 4 songs before the next missile , it looked like a plastic beer bottle complete with beer , was launched.
He just said Good night and walked off.

Now there were 13000+ people in the arena and only a few dickheads throwing stuff. Why didnt he just ask the security team to catch the culprits instead of punishing the majority of the crowd , who were hurling nothing more physical than abuse , for a substandard performance ?

The organisers then sent out a sacrificail lamb who tried to pass off the issue as a “technical difficulty” and then followed this with the actual owner announcing that he was trying to persuade Axl to come back on stage ( by no doubt shoving a copy of the contract under his nose ! )

The lights were then turned on and the some of crowd turned nasty , I witnessed a number of “fans” near the front attacking the stadiums security staff and one of them being hauled out of the arena.

At this point , fully aware of Axl’s penchant for major strops and stubbornness , I decided to head for home. To be honest I had lost all interest in seeing him perform anything else anyway.

On the way home we heard that the band had resumed the show , but by all accounts Axl was just going through the motions , or rather not going through them by standing in the one spot !.

I’ll remain a fan of the music but not of the man , or the band currently claiming to be G’N'R.

[Sippe]

The band was specifically told that they needed to be on time, and if they would go over the scheduled time, they would break the power. I think there's a really high fine for playing loud music after a certain hour there(England), but still Axl had to do something that apparently took an hour of their time. The rest of the band was just waiting to go on stage. When the festival later pulls the plug, Axl blames it all on them. If that's not a arrogant prick, I don't know what is.

(This was not the concert where they walked off stage after someone threw something at Axl)

[Sophie.]

The thing that gets me, is that he goes on about people not respecting him, blah blah blah. But Axl, you don't respect your fans!

I don't agree with bottling at all, but Christ. . .I don't want to say he deserved it, but. . .well. . .:erm: There's a little evil part of me. . .

To be fair, I would have done the same.

I had a ticket to see them at Reading and didn't go in the end because of other commitments. When I bought the ticket, I (jokingly) said to someone 'I fully expect Guns n' Roses not to show up, but it WOULD be good to see them', which is exactly the kind of low reputation they've earned for themselves. I'm a fan, and even their fans don't expect them to show up.

So if I'd actually gone, and they'd finally turned up on stage only a short time before I had to go home? I would have been the first to throw a pint of piss at them. Hell, I would have rioted. And I call myself a fan!

Unless they just happen to be playing at a festival which I'm already going to for other reasons, I'm not sure I'll ever see them. I certainly won't buy a ticket for their own gig. You just don't do that to your fans, sorry.

[Jyrgen]

You have a scheduled time. You stick to it.

End of. If you don't, you're a cock.

Guess Bellamy among others is a cock then :p

The band was specifically told that they needed to be on time, and if they would go over the scheduled time, they would break the power. I think there's a really high fine for playing loud music after a certain hour there(England), but still Axl had to do something that apparently took an hour of their time. The rest of the band was just waiting to go on stage. When the festival later pulls the plug, Axl blames it all on them. If that's not a arrogant prick, I don't know what is.

(This was not the concert where they walked off stage after someone threw something at Axl)

Axl responded to the Reading incident with:

Our start times at the Reading and Leeds festivals factually had nothing to do with us as the previous bands (who were great by the way) came off stage when they did and we went on within' our contracted and documented changeover time period.

Whatever other nonsense anyone's choosing to write would appear intentionally false.

Having the fans or our show penalized for how the event was ran or simply the natural flow of events those evenings and for such minimal amount of overtime along with distortions and falsehoods by media, the promoter and or event organizers regarding the events seems a bit draconian and more than unfair to the fans.

A simple question: If you are aware of our changeover time, the average length of our show and the general nature of how these types of festivals run all of which are no big secrets...why book us?

Is it simply because the lineup on our nights at both festivals sold well? So it's a cash grab with no respect for the fans or the band and somehow an unwanted inconvenience for the cities and law enforcement? If we're not wanted and just being used to line someone else's pockets or for fictitious tabloid fodder at the fans and our expense we're fine with going elsewhere. God forbid we would force ourselves on anyone. It's not that kinda party.

I didn't organize, arrange, authorize, have knowledge of or was even consulted about our being booked for these shows till after the fact nor did I choose to work with anyone I'm aware of other than our manager who was involved in arranging these dates. Yet it would appear we're amazingly often legally obligated to honor such arrangements whether against our will or better judgment. That's simply and unfortunately how this business often works with the artist and imo seems is legally supported to benefit managers, agents, promoters and ticket vendors.

With how the fans and we were treated in the past I had what I feel were legitimate and now proven justified apprehensions. Yet we gave 100% and from where we stood it seemed as if the both the fans (who rocked!) and our camp were having fun and making the most of things.

Why (and what would appear intentionally) risk having it go bad for everyone? Imo that's where true recklessness and negligence at both the fans and our expense would seem to be.

Anyway...thanks again to all the fans who made our nights!!

Peace!!

Axl-

IMO the bolded part is a quite good answer, not a sign of arrogance.

[Obi]

I don't see why you feel the need to defend him. Axl has acted like a self-righteous twonk for years. Plus he's ruthless. He'll fire you if you wake him up if he's asleep in his flipping dressing room!

[Jyrgen]

I don't see why you feel the need to defend him. Axl has acted like a self-righteous twonk for years. Plus he's ruthless.

Please elaborate, like are you referring to something specific?

He'll fire you if you wake him up if he's asleep in his flipping dressing room!

Sourceless Daily Star news :rolleyes:

[Maximus]

I'm sorry? This is the man who sacked the entire original line up! List of band members (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guns_N'_Roses_band_members)

He is as arrogant as they come.

[Jyrgen]

I'm sorry? This is the man who sacked the entire original line up! List of band members (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guns_N'_Roses_band_members)

He is as arrogant as they come.

Are we talking Tracii Guns, Ole Beich, Rob Gardner and Izzy Stradlin? They all left

[Hi, how may I help you?]

I'm trying to find a song. In the video Slash does a solo near the end - and dolphins (?) jump out of a big billboard. Then he sort of floats along through a city. Then I think he's in the sea?

Help would be appreciated :LOL:

[Sippe]

I'm trying to find a song. In the video Slash does a solo near the end - and dolphins (?) jump out of a big billboard. Then he sort of floats along through a city. Then I think he's in the sea?

Help would be appreciated :LOL:
Estranged.

Google is your friend.

[Hi, how may I help you?]

Well what dya know! Thanks :)

[Wilbird]

Why do I get the strange feeling that I'm the only GnR Fan here that saw the current line-up live and thought it was just great, and that this current line-up is just awsome!
and yes, I'm die hard Guns N' Roses fan
I know that Axl Rose is an jackz@ss, but his live performance is f*cking awsome..
Hell I was pissed off too when he showed up late at the gig in the Netherlands this year in october, I was there front row, but when he (and the rest of the band) stood before me it was just f*cking awsome and you forget the things like that he was late.
so then I dind't bother about that they were late.
And also, their last album Chinese Democracy is an master piece!:D
they just f*cking rock \m/

[Lo]

Why do I get the strange feeling that I'm the only GnR Fan here that saw the current line-up live and thought it was just great, and that this current line-up is just awsome!
and yes, I'm die hard Guns N' Roses fan
I know that Axl Rose is an jackz@ss, but his live performance is f*cking awsome..
Hell I was pissed off too when he showed up late at the gig in the Netherlands this year in october, I was there front row, but when he (and the rest of the band) stood before me it was just f*cking awsome and you forget the things like that he was late.
so then I dind't bother about that they were late.
And also, their last album Chinese Democracy is an master piece!:D
they just f*cking rock \m/

Nope not alone. Despite the shambles of Reading it was still one of my highlights of the weekend. Kev and I saw them here in London and I thought it was an awesome show, saw them again in Brum and met Dj and Rich (both lovely people). Tommy is also a cool chap.

Of course nothing could ever top the original. I love love love Izzy, Duff and Slash. Never seen Izzy but seen GnR with Slash and Duff :happy: and thank god for VR and Slash's solo stuff ensures I can still see them. I do think Axl is a bit of an douche but when he's on form he's still one of the best.

[Wilbird]

Nope not alone. Despite the shambles of Reading it was still one of my highlights of the weekend. Kev and I saw them here in London and I thought it was an awesome show, saw them again in Brum and met Dj and Rich (both lovely people). Tommy is also a cool chap.

Of course nothing could ever top the original. I love love love Izzy, Duff and Slash. Never seen Izzy but seen GnR with Slash and Duff :happy: and thank god for VR and Slash's solo stuff ensures I can still see them. I do think Axl is a bit of an douche but when he's on form he's still one of the best.

I never saw the origenal line-up live, or the line-up with slash,
but I'm more the guy who listens to it, and judge the band on it musical work instead of how the singer or guitarist is looking and how he is a look a like from (Dj Ashba was flamed about that here in the Netherlands)
And ofcourse, wich line-up you think is better is your own opinion.
my opinion is that this current line-up is my favorite, because Ron "bumblefoot" Thal is one heck of a guitarist, his technic level for his guitar playing is high, maybe one of the best in the world.

I agree with you that Axl can be a douche, but in his performing and musical mind he is a genius!

[enigmae]

gnr rockkkkssss