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Jimmyneutron
15-05-2010, 11:40 AM
GRAND FINAL DISCUSSION THREAD


2010 MUSE SONG WORLD CUP FINAL

KNIGHTS OF CYDONIA v STOCKHOLM SYNDROME

VOTING KICKS OFF: MONDAY, MAY 17.

8:30PM AEST (AUS)
11:30AM GMT (UK)
6:30AM EST (USA)

Pre-Match Discussion about the biggest Song Showdown on these boards.

State your case as to why your favourite song should win the final, and be crowned as the Best Muse Song released so far. Post your favourite live videos, what each song means to you, and why it should win. The best reasons put forward for each song winning will be published in the match header when the game commences.

Both songs have a strong case for winning, and are no doubt deserving finalists. The match kicks off on Monday, at the times listed above.

Get Talking!


Link to Discussion Thread including Match Schedule and Results. (http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=68714)

Seraphim Sin
15-05-2010, 12:15 PM
I present my argument in favor of Stockholm Syndrome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W2jXFSpjf8

That is all. Thank you for your time and consideration. :D

Jimmyneutron
15-05-2010, 12:20 PM
I present my argument in favor of Stockholm Syndrome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W2jXFSpjf8

That is all. Thank you for your time and consideration. :D

That's What I'm Talking About.

Sarah-x
15-05-2010, 12:23 PM
SS to win!!! :D
thats where my vote will be going.
man this is more exicting than the election in britain when i voted for the first time :chuckle:

Riveon
15-05-2010, 12:27 PM
I have nothing against Knights of Cydonia: it's an excellent song, one of their best in recent years, but I love Stockholm Syndrome. Without it, Absolution would be be a much lesser album. It's a brilliant song. The opening riff is easily one of their best, and gets you into the song straight away. The verses build up perfectly to the chorus, which is the part that makes the song for me. It is very emotional, partly because of the vocals, and the backing piano. This is one of their best live songs, it also has some of the most entertaining drums in a Muse song, and it's one of their most lyrically interesting songs. Some people say it's shallow, and repetitive, but I think it is a perfect length, and I think it's one of their most emotional songs..
Anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NEc6jojLrU
It's not being embedded, for some reason.

Hopix
15-05-2010, 01:41 PM
I wish SS was as good as that now. :(

RetroShout
15-05-2010, 04:40 PM
There's no justice in the world if SS loses again :mad::LOL:

Originally_Symmetrical
15-05-2010, 04:55 PM
Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FigBOnWNoY
I rest my case.

naomithegreat
15-05-2010, 05:01 PM
I present my argument in favor of Stockholm Syndrome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W2jXFSpjf8

That is all. Thank you for your time and consideration. :D

+2572455750275

SS. FTW.
that is all.

crazydays
15-05-2010, 05:21 PM
it's kind of ridiculous, becuase Knights is SO GOOD. I mean it's an incredible epic amazing song. But then, SS is BETTER. Having trouble wrapping my mind around it :rolleyes: but SS will definitely get my vote.

(NSC side note: if I heard a 30 second clip of SS for the first time and it was just the chorus... my opinion of the song would be a hell of a lot different)

HenryW7
15-05-2010, 06:30 PM
Stockholm Fucking Syndrome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTRI81tlgqw

That is what I'm fucking talking about :mad:

Bestbandever
15-05-2010, 06:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8WP7aOD_9Q

THIS IS MUSE. And I can't embed. Just, nuff said.

HenryW7
15-05-2010, 07:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8WP7aOD_9Q

THIS IS MUSE. And I can't embed. Just, nuff said.

I'll embed for you then

EDIT: your on the wrong side, so I will get rid of the embed, ha!

SS for the win

grw
15-05-2010, 07:37 PM
Knights of Cydonia. Because it's music for a futurist western, is incredibly epic, has an amazing riff and has the catchiest lyrical refrain I've ever heard, and utterly decimates 'i've got soul but I'm not a soldier' which is the second catchiest refrain ever. it's awesome live. It's awesome on guitar hero. It's video is possibly muse's best. It's unlike anything else muse have ever done, or any other band for that matter. And it manages to be musically brilliant even though it's very cheesy

SS is great, but boring in comparison!

HenryW7
15-05-2010, 07:43 PM
Knights of Cydonia. Because it's music for a futurist western, is incredibly epic, has an amazing riff and has the catchiest lyrical refrain I've ever heard, and utterly decimates 'i've got soul but I'm not a soldier' which is the second catchiest refrain ever. it's awesome live. It's awesome on guitar hero. It's video is possibly muse's best. It's unlike anything else muse have ever done, or any other band for that matter. And it manages to be musically brilliant even though it's very cheesy


:indiff:


be that as it may, it is still shit compared to SS, as that is amazing on a galactic scale, KOC is actually appalling when you compare the songs.

Stockholm Syndrome is Sex on drugs blasted orgasmically through your ears in passion.

HenryW7
15-05-2010, 07:51 PM
I have nothing against Knights of Cydonia: it's an excellent song, one of their best in recent years, but I love Stockholm Syndrome. Without it, Absolution would be be a much lesser album. It's a brilliant song. The opening riff is easily one of their best, and gets you into the song straight away. The verses build up perfectly to the chorus, which is the part that makes the song for me. It is very emotional, partly because of the vocals, and the backing piano. This is one of their best live songs, it also has some of the most entertaining drums in a Muse song, and it's one of their most lyrically interesting songs. Some people say it's shallow, and repetitive, but I think it is a perfect length, and I think it's one of their most emotional songs..
Anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NEc6jojLrU
It's not being embedded, for some reason.

happy to embed SS for u.

llamafish164
15-05-2010, 10:19 PM
KOC

escapist
15-05-2010, 10:43 PM
I am a huge fan of Stockholm Syndrome.

But I actually don't know what to vote for here. :eek:

Stockholm gives me goosebumps. It's amazing, emotional, and intense... I don't care what other people say, about it beign repetitive and shallow. I disagree. It used to be a huuuuge monster live a few years ago, and it's still pretty decent now. All things taken into account, live/studio/lyrical/instrumental/emotional, etc... It's immense.

BUT.

Knights of Cydonia is probably one of Muse's best works. It's intense, well thought out, and showcases a lot of the boys' talents. It's a rollercoaster that goes through so many genres and feelings in six minutes... I think it's better than Exogenesis. It's a fucking masterpiece.

I don't know where my vote will go.

llamafish164
15-05-2010, 11:00 PM
I think its a bit sad that I cant wait to cast my vote on Monday. It will be for Knight Of Cydonia of course. The first Muse song I ever heard and it just blew me away. Everyting about it is just pure epicness.

HenryW7
15-05-2010, 11:17 PM
I am a huge fan of Stockholm Syndrome.

But I actually don't know what to vote for here. :eek:

Stockholm gives me goosebumps. It's amazing, emotional, and intense... I don't care what other people say, about it beign repetitive and shallow. I disagree. It used to be a huuuuge monster live a few years ago, and it's still pretty decent now. All things taken into account, live/studio/lyrical/instrumental/emotional, etc... It's immense.

BUT.

Knights of Cydonia is probably one of Muse's best works. It's intense, well thought out, and showcases a lot of the boys' talents. It's a rollercoaster that goes through so many genres and feelings in six minutes... I think it's better than Exogenesis. It's a fucking masterpiece.

I don't know where my vote will go.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

please don't let SS and me down, SS deserves this, you know it. Please come on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTRI81tlgqw

HenryW7
15-05-2010, 11:20 PM
and some more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMWPDtr93sM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FigBOnWNoY

:awesome::awesome::awesome::awesome:

Jimmyneutron
15-05-2010, 11:25 PM
I am a huge fan of Stockholm Syndrome.

But I actually don't know what to vote for here. :eek:

Stockholm gives me goosebumps. It's amazing, emotional, and intense... I don't care what other people say, about it beign repetitive and shallow. I disagree. It used to be a huuuuge monster live a few years ago, and it's still pretty decent now. All things taken into account, live/studio/lyrical/instrumental/emotional, etc... It's immense.

BUT.

Knights of Cydonia is probably one of Muse's best works. It's intense, well thought out, and showcases a lot of the boys' talents. It's a rollercoaster that goes through so many genres and feelings in six minutes... I think it's better than Exogenesis. It's a fucking masterpiece.

I don't know where my vote will go.

This. Two Best Live songs ever. I don' think they should be judged on live videos from 6 years ago though. I think we should compare 2 videos from one recent show, maybe seattle or something! I still haven't made up m mind, although I'm leaning toward Knights as it has placed muse in the echelon of rock gods among not just muse fans, but others as well.

HenryW7
15-05-2010, 11:28 PM
This. Two Best Live songs ever. I don' think they should be judged on live videos from 6 years ago though. I think we should compare 2 videos from one recent show, maybe seattle or something! I still haven't made up m mind, although I'm leaning toward Knights as it has placed muse in the echelon of rock gods among not just muse fans, but others as well.

muse were better 6 years ago though to be fair and that is like not judging Shostakovich just cos he is older than 6 years, if muse peaked 6 years ago then they can win on that basis imo
if you want to play that way then I say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bISsdeGgI00

the guitar part in the final chorus is full of win and sex......

Second Point: SS uses the Gillarati (however you spell that) and knights dosen't so KOC should be disqualified cos to win a MSWC it has to use the iconic music machine of Bellamy

MattC13
15-05-2010, 11:33 PM
If Knights of Cydonia doesn't win then I'll [overreacting threat that will never happen if Stockholm Syndrome does in fact win]

HenryW7
15-05-2010, 11:40 PM
If Knights of Cydonia doesn't win then I'll [overreacting threat that will never happen if Stockholm Syndrome does in fact win]

If SS doesn't win then KOC will become the worst piece of music in the history of existence

imo:

Stockholm Syndrome > New Born > Dead Star > The Small Print > Exogenesis > Citizen Erased > Map of the Problematique > Space Dementia > MK Ultra > Hysteria > Showbiz > Bliss > Undisclosed desires > Ruled By Secrecy > Plug In baby > Sing For Aboslution > Micro Cuts > Blackout > Eternally Missed > Fury > Muscle Museum > Resistance > Butterflies and Hurricanes > Supermassive Black Hole > Time is Running Out > Uprising > Hoodoo > Sunburn > Knights Of Cydonia > Starlight >>>>>>>>> Feeling Good + Guiding Light

LyraSilvertongue
15-05-2010, 11:47 PM
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

please don't let SS and me down, SS deserves this, you know it. Please come on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTRI81tlgqw

Both songs deserve it, they're both amazing, live and on record. They're two of Muse's best.
But I think SS just has the edge. It has the best chorus Muse have ever written so for that reason my vote will go to SS.

Bestbandever
15-05-2010, 11:51 PM
I'm sorry but KoC DEFINES Muse. KoC = Muse. You could put that in a dictionary. SS does not compare at all. It is too repetitive.

Jungle Fish
15-05-2010, 11:53 PM
Well this is what you call a toughie...
SS has an amazing chorus and awesome guitar riff, but KoC is literally epic in its content.. ugh what should I vote for? :confused:

HenryW7
15-05-2010, 11:54 PM
I'm sorry but KoC DEFINES Muse. KoC = Muse. You could put that in a dictionary. SS does not compare at all. It is too repetitive.

Knights is fucking repetitive the verse is the same in just different keys, and the outro riff just keeps on repeating, the " No-one can take us alive " bit is just the same over again and KOC just sounds distinctly average.

KOC only defines BH&R era, nothing else.

HenryW7
16-05-2010, 12:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqYIb3bT2O4
:D

LyraSilvertongue
16-05-2010, 12:11 AM
Knights is fucking repetitive the verse is the same in just different keys, and the outro riff just keeps on repeating, the " No-one can take us alive " bit is just the same over again and KOC just sounds distinctly average.

KOC only defines BH&R era, nothing else.

Knights? Average? Um, no.

HenryW7
16-05-2010, 12:14 AM
Knights? Average? Um, no.

it just dosen't move me as much as SS or indeed a lot of other muse songs, I prefer UD for example

Hopix
16-05-2010, 12:23 AM
it just dosen't move me as much as SS or indeed a lot of other muse songs, I prefer UD for example

You what...?

I honestly can't decide between SS and KoC, they're both in my top 5 and both incredibly amazing. Ugh! :LOL::(:p

HenryW7
16-05-2010, 12:24 AM
You what...?

I honestly can't decide between SS and KoC, they're both in my top 5 and both incredibly amazing. Ugh! :LOL::(:p

well I also love Exo. over KoC if that regains any respect

MattC13
16-05-2010, 12:38 AM
Both are pretty repetitive but both are awesome. Knights of Cydonia is a better song, imo.

church
16-05-2010, 12:40 AM
I do not understand how others find Knights better than SS :erm: SS defines Muse live.

MattC13
16-05-2010, 12:40 AM
I do not understand how others find Knights better than SS :erm: SS defines Muse live.

Personal Opinions.

hypermusic
16-05-2010, 12:50 AM
I'll be voting KoC just because i personally think it's infinitely better. I like SS but knights is just :awesome:

Seraphim Sin
16-05-2010, 12:54 AM
:indiff:
Stockholm Syndrome is Sex on drugs blasted orgasmically through your ears in passion.

Im signaturing this. Thank you, Henry.

Seraphim Sin
16-05-2010, 12:57 AM
it just dosen't move me as much as SS or indeed a lot of other muse songs, I prefer UD for example

:facepalm:

UD is a good tune, but its no rock song. But if you are saying you prefer UD over KOC well then Im right there with you! KOC is good, but IMO its overplayed, and gotten too "anthemy". Its like Muse's flagship song that is played everywhere. Id like to hear more Showbiz and OoS played live.

Riveon
16-05-2010, 01:19 AM
and has the catchiest lyrical refrain I've ever heard, and utterly decimates 'i've got soul but I'm not a soldier' which is the second catchiest refrain ever.
Which only narrowly beats 'I've got ham but I'm not a hamster.'

be that as it may, it is still shit compared to SS, as that is amazing on a galactic scale, KOC is actually appalling when you compare the songs..
Woah, no way. I don't think SS is that much better. :p
happy to embed SS for u.
Thanks, no idea what I did wrong.
If SS doesn't win then KOC will become the worst piece of music in the history of existence

imo:

Stockholm Syndrome > New Born > Dead Star > The Small Print > Exogenesis > Citizen Erased > Map of the Problematique > Space Dementia > MK Ultra > Hysteria > Showbiz > Bliss > Undisclosed desires > Ruled By Secrecy > Plug In baby > Sing For Aboslution > Micro Cuts > Blackout > Eternally Missed > Fury > Muscle Museum > Resistance > Butterflies and Hurricanes > Supermassive Black Hole > Time is Running Out > Uprising > Hoodoo > Sunburn > Knights Of Cydonia > Starlight >>>>>>>>> Feeling Good + Guiding Light
I'd put Knights much higher than most of the songs there.

OpenMinded
16-05-2010, 01:31 AM
I do not understand how others find Knights better than SS :erm: SS defines Muse live.

SS defines how muse used to be live. Nuts, insane, going crazy, enerrrrrgyyyyyyyy
but still its better than knights, if only it was performed these days like it was in 04. :D

naomithegreat
16-05-2010, 05:48 AM
IMO, SS is hands down their greatest song. When I listen to it, I'm simultaneously exhilerated and emotional. The passion in that song is undeniable. Knights is a great song, no doubt, but SS makes you feel something. The riff is amazing, the bass in the beginning is sex, and if you haven't tapped out the beat on your lap or desk, something is wrong with you.

SS. For. The. M-effin. Win.

That is all.

They
16-05-2010, 03:35 PM
SS was a nice new side of the spectrum, presenting apocalyptic rock with a personal touch and glimmers of beauty interwoven throughout, but it's too far on one end of the spectrum to be the winner and define them.

Also,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm1Fj8n6kWw

KoC doesn't even need lyrics to have outstanding vocals, Ha! Ya! Ya!

Matt even said himself in the Get close with Muse interviews that it would be the KoC Riff that he'd want remembered as the greatness of Muse!

Luigi.
16-05-2010, 05:17 PM
and some more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMWPDtr93sM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FigBOnWNoY

:awesome::awesome::awesome::awesome:

:awesome::awesome::awesome:

Luigi.
16-05-2010, 05:20 PM
So much :srsb33f: in this thread,it's awesome:chuckle:.
SS is the definition of Muse,great riff with a powerful bassline and drums,great chorus and lyrics,epic monster live,it's the song that made me love Muse.KOC is a great song to rock out too,but doesn't have much depth as SS does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUAlh6a6en4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKMeDpVdGko&feature=related

Another Pwopa Fish
16-05-2010, 05:36 PM
As much as I do enjoy listening to KoC over and over and over and over, I enjoy SS much more than KoC definitely. SS does, indeed, define Muse live, and you can't really argue with that, especially in any way with Knights of Cydonia.

To state my opinion, I have this crazy-ass video from Pink Pop in the Netherlands.
Matthew Bellamy, literally, rips apart the drum set Dom has been playing on and throws it across the stage, not to say that is why I enjoy it so much, it is definitely my favorite live performance of SS, ever.

-edit-
The embed code failed completely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDyJindQEio

HenryW7
16-05-2010, 05:42 PM
As much as I do enjoy listening to KoC over and over and over and over, I enjoy SS much more than KoC definitely. SS does, indeed, define Muse live, and you can't really argue with that, especially in any way with Knights of Cydonia.

To state my opinion, I have this crazy-ass video from Pink Pop in the Netherlands.
Matthew Bellamy, literally, rips apart the drum set Dom has been playing on and throws it across the stage, not to say that is why I enjoy it so much, it is definitely my favorite live performance of SS, ever.

-edit-
The embed code failed completely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDyJindQEio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDyJindQEio

done!!

They
16-05-2010, 06:22 PM
As much as I do enjoy listening to KoC over and over and over and over, I enjoy SS much more than KoC definitely. SS does, indeed, define Muse live, and you can't really argue with that, especially in any way with Knights of Cydonia

People only think SS defines them live because of the extra three or four minutes of riffage that follow, and that can't be counted as SS, its an outro, not the song. They could easily give the same love to New Born, Bliss, Assassin, Unnatural Selection or MK Ultra as a closer. KoC is a better song when you strip SS down to what it actually is.

And I still hate the way Matt does the SS chorus live, can't put my finger on what it is but it's just never right.

IngeVS
16-05-2010, 06:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDyJindQEio

done!!

oooh thx for this.
This sais it all.... SS FOR THE WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They
16-05-2010, 06:26 PM
Gotta love how this thread's just turned into people swapping marginally different SS videos now.

HenryW7
16-05-2010, 07:06 PM
People only think SS defines them live because of the extra three or four minutes of riffage that follow, and that can't be counted as SS, its an outro, not the song. They could easily give the same love to New Born, Bliss, Assassin, Unnatural Selection or MK Ultra as a closer. KoC is a better song when you strip SS down to what it actually is.

And I still hate the way Matt does the SS chorus live, can't put my finger on what it is but it's just never right.

trust me, SS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KOC as a song, no outro invloved. SS is just amazing. I think KOC is shit live cos it lacks the high vocals which are the only thing I like about the song

MattC13
16-05-2010, 07:12 PM
I'm voting by studio version. Your silly live version pleas will not convince me D: < :p

HenryW7
16-05-2010, 07:14 PM
I'm voting by studio version. Your silly live version pleas will not convince me D: < :p

I vote studio and Live. I would say that Studio:

SS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koc

and Live:

SS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KOC

the margin is just slightly bigger in studio

SS for the Win!!!!!!!!!

MattC13
16-05-2010, 07:18 PM
I vote studio and Live. I would say that Studio:

SS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koc

and Live:

SS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KOC

the margin is just slightly bigger in studio

SS for the Win!!!!!!!!!

I have a strong feeling you like KoC a lot. :shifty:

They
16-05-2010, 07:42 PM
I'm voting by studio version. Your silly live version pleas will not convince me D: < :p

Good man, Live is fine but the extended riffs and outros just shouldn't count.

trust me, SS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KOC as a song, no outro invloved. SS is just amazing. I think KOC is shit live cos it lacks the high vocals which are the only thing I like about the song

WHAT!? KoC's high vocals are way more prominent live than on the studio version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2oRY7W_WUs

2:26 onwards,
4:48 onwards,
also, 6:58 as a bonus

Sounded pretty high to me.

RetroShout
16-05-2010, 08:38 PM
People only think SS defines them live because of the extra three or four minutes of riffage that follow, and that can't be counted as SS, its an outro, not the song. They could easily give the same love to New Born, Bliss, Assassin, Unnatural Selection or MK Ultra as a closer. KoC is a better song when you strip SS down to what it actually is.

And I still hate the way Matt does the SS chorus live, can't put my finger on what it is but it's just never right.

If you strip any song down to what it actually is, it's just noise. We're meant to judge the song. Which means everything about it, including the way it makes people feel, although I am with you about the whole four minute riffage thing, it shouldn't count.
We should only be judging the studio versions imo

Gotta love how this thread's just turned into people swapping marginally different SS videos now.

+1
there's already enough on here, give it a rest

btw, Stockholm Syndrome for the win :awesome:

House
16-05-2010, 08:39 PM
Stockholm!! fweeeeeeeeeeeee

In Ryanbows
16-05-2010, 08:41 PM
Stalk home. :happy:

HenryW7
16-05-2010, 09:37 PM
Good man, Live is fine but the extended riffs and outros just shouldn't count.



WHAT!? KoC's high vocals are way more prominent live than on the studio version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2oRY7W_WUs

2:26 onwards,
4:48 onwards,
also, 6:58 as a bonus

Sounded pretty high to me.

mybad, I didn't make myself clear. I mean the added high octave on "no ones going to take us alive". That is there on the studio, but live matt sings the low octave and Chris is on the fifth so we miss out on the top octave.

HenryW7
16-05-2010, 09:39 PM
Stalk home. :happy:

wasn't this the final from your tornement Quentin?? (I mean the good one where you didn't comvince everyone to vote out SS in match 1!!) and last time we had a good result (SS won yay)

They
16-05-2010, 10:19 PM
They definately made that line sound awesome in the Abbey Road recording though. You said it sounded shit live because it lacked the high vocals, that one line being done slightly differently doesn't make or break a 6+ minute song. :)

HenryW7
16-05-2010, 10:46 PM
They definately made that line sound awesome in the Abbey Road recording though. You said it sounded shit live because it lacked the high vocals, that one line being done slightly differently doesn't make or break a 6+ minute song. :)

yeh I know :$ I love KOC, but I get all emotional when any song threatens SS

They
16-05-2010, 11:21 PM
I just physically can't find a favourite Muse song, they keep out-doing each other.

HenryW7
16-05-2010, 11:22 PM
I just physically can't find a favourite Muse song, they keep out-doing each other.

I was stuck between SS and TSP, but now I love SS more, just a bit....

Davinq
16-05-2010, 11:37 PM
SS needs to NOT one of these tournaments. Just once. Please.

feeling.muse
16-05-2010, 11:40 PM
Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FigBOnWNoY
I rest my case.

That is a very good point

HenryW7
16-05-2010, 11:41 PM
SS needs to NOT one of these tournaments. Just once. Please.

come on, why does everybody keep saying SS wins, then call me a noob when I say it dosen't. I then ask what it has won and nobody can tell me cos SS NEVER WINS argh!!

Jimmyneutron
16-05-2010, 11:43 PM
come on, why does everybody keep saying SS wins, then call me a noob when I say it dosen't. I then ask what it has won and nobody can tell me cos SS NEVER WINS argh!!

It won the Muse Song tournament around 6 months ago, which was the last one of these style tournaments. Beat Citizen Erased from memory, correct me if i'm wrong

HenryW7
16-05-2010, 11:45 PM
It won the Muse Song tournament around 6 months ago, which was the last one of these style tournaments.

oh! :LOL::$ can you please give me a link to that please??, cos I thought CE won the last one....

xbroken_ideals
17-05-2010, 02:05 AM
You've all really got to admit, SS has lost its luster live. It was so great at Glastonbury- It was everyone's favourite song. But now, you can really tell that the crowds have tamed down.
Knights never seems to get old. The light show, the audience singing along to the guitar solo, the punches in the air to the beat- It gives off such a great atmosphere. It's just uncomparable. It's definitely one of the most fun songs live, if not the most fun. :awesome: Even the studio version.

SS gets repetitive, and I always seem to lose interest halfway through the song. Knights just seems so much more interesting, and unique.

SS had its time. That was 2003 - 2005. It was a truly great song, but to me, it just seems to have gotten old.

By the looks of it, Stockholm is going to win. AGAIN. :(

Luigi.
17-05-2010, 02:13 AM
People only think SS defines them live because of the extra three or four minutes of riffage that follow, and that can't be counted as SS, its an outro, not the song. They could easily give the same love to New Born, Bliss, Assassin, Unnatural Selection or MK Ultra as a closer. KoC is a better song when you strip SS down to what it actually is.

And I still hate the way Matt does the SS chorus live, can't put my finger on what it is but it's just never right.

SS doesn't need the extra riffage to be awesome live,for example with this performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqfrFRT7GBk

Davinq
17-05-2010, 07:36 AM
You've all really got to admit, SS has lost its luster live. It was so great at Glastonbury- It was everyone's favourite song. But now, you can really tell that the crowds have tamed down.
Knights never seems to get old. The light show, the audience singing along to the guitar solo, the punches in the air to the beat- It gives off such a great atmosphere. It's just uncomparable. It's definitely one of the most fun songs live, if not the most fun. :awesome: Even the studio version.

SS gets repetitive, and I always seem to lose interest halfway through the song. Knights just seems so much more interesting, and unique.

SS had its time. That was 2003 - 2005. It was a truly great song, but to me, it just seems to have gotten old.



Right now, I love you. +billion

Ross
17-05-2010, 07:53 AM
Are people actually trying to compare the now piss-weak Stockholm Syndrome to KoC

Stockholm is the worst song on absolution, 2 minute build up for a 10 second solo? come on, when Invincible has a better solo than you, you know something's up.

SS's always had to be backed up with riffs for this very reason, without them, it's empty and soulless, it's the kind of formulaic "rock" that was all over MTV2 at the time, KoC has something unique, a certain je ne sais quoi about it, it makes 6 minutes feel like 2,

as for factoring in riffs (which I don't believe in - let the songs stand on their own merits, not with all these pathetic extraneous "jams" which Muse seem to be hell-bent on cramming in), Man with a Harmonica is far better than anything tacked on to the end of SS

^assassin^
17-05-2010, 08:21 AM
I really think that stockholm syndrome is a great song
I still really love KoC it is :) but SS is :D

RetroShout
17-05-2010, 10:08 AM
Stockholm Syndome. Because;
The bass in the chorus is similar to the one in Showbiz; just driving deeper and deeper down creating a truly brilliant climax. Some people say that SS is too repetetive... what do you mean? Pretty much all of Muse's songs are repetetive; verse, chorus, verse, chorus..., the same riff is almost always repeated throughout any song, PiB and Hysteria (Bass) for example. So that imo can't be used against SS.
Many people are also arguing that SS is musicly boring. Okay, it may not be as complex as KoC, but complexity does not mean it's better. Look at (don't know the English word, use a Welsh translator) Cyfresiaeth. That's some really complicated stuff, but it's just awful.
For me, it's not about how well constructed a song is, or how many different composition tools are used to create it, but how it all sounds as a whole, and how it makes you feel. For me Stockholm Syndome is just head and shoulders above KoC, in every way.

xbroken_ideals
18-05-2010, 02:41 AM
Right now, I love you. +billion

Love you too :awesome: