Advice on Buying Tickets and Touting/Scalping

[005]

A huge circulation of Fake tickets occurred at Muse's gig at the RAH in 2008:

Many were left (including me) with fake/counterfeit tickets back then as well as Oasis's UK Arena Tour later that year which also saw a high volume of fakes. I have given a safe guide due to the recent tour news about how to be safe in relation to tickets & how we can beat them & stay safe! So please bare the following all in mind in terms of buying tickets.

This goes for any gig you are going to & don't be fooled by people on Ebay who have great feedback neither, trust me this can easily be incorrect as someone set up an account, fake address etc but sold many small things privately to get the good feedback. 1 individual in 2007 stole over £3,000 off people who were buying tickets for concerts/festivals that were scheduled though the truth of the matter was that he never had the tickets to begin with.

Fakes circulate much more around Standing area tickets than seats, but I'm not saying seats can not be done, the best seats can also be duplicated. From experience where fakes come stuck is the hologram a genuine one to their one is different, it maybe ok in terms of shape but in terms of logo it fails. Always find/look for what an original hologram looks like from the ticket promoter. If you've been to the venue of where the gig is held or have a used stub you will see clearly the hologram is unique.

Be aware that when people print E Tickets to ensure to do checks on the person you are buying from because it stops no one from reprinting. Don't be fooled by people on Ebay with great feedback, scammers do this to trick make you believe them that they are trustworthy etc

Be Safe People

The Guide

Always follow this procedure when/if buying from:

Ebay/Gumtree
3rd Party/Touts
Scarlet Mist (They Have A List Of Fraudsters On Their Site)
Another ticket outlet not known to you (Official or Unofficial)
Be aware when you see a site selling cheap tickets, just above face value.

Sites you should be aware of that are pure scam artists:

http://www.safeconcerts.com/forum/th...124&t_urn=9895
www.ukticketfactory.com
https://www.museboxoffice.com/index.html

First:

Ask for the email address, ticket confirmation no. & postal address, then where they purchased the tickets

After acquiring that

Then:

Log into the site yourself where it was bought from to verify this.

If still in doubt call the ticket outlet with those details, if it all checks out then they are 100% good if not then don't even consider buying them.

If you are you still not 100% ask for a pic of the tickets & match the ticket order no. to it, it’s always/usually printed on the ticket with a date as well.

I have obtained tickets for the Muse gigs in Ocotber & I can verify that the tickets are standard that the O2 distributes, they won't be anything fancy.

Now scammers & touts will always claim to have tickets which they don't & these are their tactics. I have scanned a genuine ticket from a previous gig at the O2 & have shown you how you know it’s real!

This is how, The hologram is circular & has all of the following genuine authentic, valid & secure written on it, of course you have to move it a bit to see, but it is there.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu48/sweett79_2009/Ticket.jpg

Right Still With Me? :)

This is a Fake Oasis ticket from Wembley Arena, it looks the real deal in terms of the print/paper & all that is written but the hologram is just a pure cheap silver circle, touts & scammers will always foul up here. They can't duplicate the real hologram, it will look very cheap & tatty but appear normal as it may not be noticeable.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu48/sweett79_2009/Oasis.jpg

Refer to the Royal Albert Hall thread in how they did the hologram for that gig & swindled money from me & many others!

http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=53365

I kid you not people but there will be many fakes outs there in time, the majority will be when tickets are posted out etc!

Hope this helps, I do this for all our sakes!

Love Gianni

[Bridgman]

We are all hardened Muse fans and are eagerly awaiting the pre sale ticket announcements. Anyone know if plans are in place to stop the plebs of this world buying OUR! pre-sale tickets to put on the bay? Seen it now with loads of gigs the pre sales are on the bay within an hour of release.
Should we have a condition of 6 months membership of fan club or more to qualify for pre-sales?
TICKETS FOR GENUINE FANS ONLY!!!:mad:

[vibrantXhearts]

I understand your frustration, but some tickets are always going to find their way onto ebay. As long as there are people willing to pay those silly prices, then people will be flogging them at those prices.

[Gemsy]

The only way to beat them is just DON'T BUY FROM THEM.
Use MuseBay! (http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=33546)

[haze015]

Touts will sign up to mailing lists for the 'fan' presales, so the system doesn't work.

If people didn't buy from them, they wouldn't bother, touts ren't the problem, the people who buy from them are.

[Bridgman]

Deffo agree on a No Buy policy.
I wanted tickets for Depeche Mode and U2 and missed out. I will miss them both as a matter of principal rather than buy from em.
My only worry is that we and other hardened fans miss out cos of em.
Shame other people won't take the same stance.

[vibrantXhearts]

Touts will sign up to mailing lists for the 'fan' presales, so the system doesn't work.

If people didn't buy from them, they wouldn't bother, touts ren't the problem, the people who buy from them are.

:yesey:

I'm aware that this will make me sound like a hypocrite, but I will freely admit to having bought from ebay before. The thing is that you CAN find face value or less on there - you just have to look.

[nirajp]

If people didn't buy from them, they wouldn't bother, touts ren't the problem, the people who buy from them are.

I think that's only partially true. If tickets had a name on it and all venues required ID then that would alleviate the problem. Of course promotors would need to implement a method of sending tickets back / re-allocating / putting them back on sale. Honestly this is the 21st century; why are venues/promotors so bloody backwards.

Also did anyone see the fan interview Trent Reznor did with nin.com/echoingthesound. He revealed details about tout sites (a la seatwave.com or the US equivalent); where a certain proportion of the good seats are reserved or sold off to those agencies, with the promotor/band/record company profiiting. Hoping Muse don't partake in said activities.

[Gemsy]

:yesey:

I'm aware that this will make me sound like a hypocrite, but I will freely admit to having bought from ebay before. The thing is that you CAN find face value or less on there - you just have to look.

Nothing wrong with buying from eBay if you know what you're looking for. Touts are obvious because of the inflated prices. Genuine sellers should put a fixed price on them.

[Zaphod Chizzlebrox]

Touts will sign up to mailing lists for the 'fan' presales, so the system doesn't work.

If people didn't buy from them, they wouldn't bother, touts ren't the problem, the people who buy from them are.

This is why the main ticket sellers have started playing the tout game themselves, with their own premium ticket sales sites (known as scalp sites). They gave up on beating the touts, so they're trying to play them at their own game in order to increase their own profits. To the ticket agents, the touts are taking money that they believe should be rightfully theirs.

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[Gemsy]

Good call dude, I'll sticky this.

[haze015]

Another thing, if you miss out on tickets, please don't go buying from touts/people wishing to exploit you in this way, once people stop buying from these people, they won't have a business and actually make it easier for you to get tickets in the future.

However much you love Muse and however badly you want to see them live, it's not worth the risk of paying more than face value for fake tickets, they'll always play again :)

[Gemsy]

Keep an eye on MuseBay and www.scarletmist.com :D

[kazzie]

As I have previously mentioned in the tour thread... However.. Quite a few people will not see it there..

For those of you who have received the Pre-sale link or for those who are awaiting (keep waiting it will come) :) please consider a few things when sharing the Link..

Who?

Who are you sharing the link with? Are they are a genuine member of the board? do you know them personally? or speak with them quite a it on here?

If all the answers to the above are no.. then its more likely a tout trying to get their hands on the link.. Look at the join date.. only been here a few days?

If you decided to pass on the link That is YOU'RE choice.. But keep in mind who you may be passing the link onto.. Think about it before passing...

It is so easy for a tout to sign up to the forum.. make a quick friend.. get them to pass on the pre-sale link... and even pass the link onto further Touts..

so THINK ABOUT IT..

Also.. as I HAVE seen in the past here.. DO NOT POST THE LINK IN ANY THREAD.


For those who have not got an email yet.. Just hold on it will come.. remember there must be thousands of people on the mailing list.. it may take a while to get them all out.. if you miss the pre-sale tomorrow.. there is a general sale on Friday.. If you miss out then, Normally there is a further sale a few weeks on.. so dont panic yourself.. and Don't keep clicking refresh.. It will only crash servers and make it harder for everyone else to get tickets.

Happy Ticket Buying and Enjoy the gigs!

[Ragoo]

Refreshing won't crash the server however the system will block you for like 10 mins.

[Gemsy]

Nicely done :D

[kazzie]

Refreshing won't crash the server however the system will block you for like 10 mins.

ah I didn't know that.. :happy:

[vibrantXhearts]

Good thread Kazzie :yesey: This should be stickied until after the general sale's over, I reckon :LOL:

[Ragoo]

ah I didn't know that.. :happy:All you have to do is clear your cookies and you're good to go again :LOL:

[davetoms]

I thought (on Seetickets/Gigs and Tours) refreshing just took you back to the "Server is busy" message anyway.

[Gemsy]

Good thread Kazzie :yesey: This should be stickied until after the general sale's over, I reckon :LOL:

I put it in the stickehs with the other helpful thread. ;)

[vibrantXhearts]

I put it in the stickehs with the other helpful thread. ;)

Awesome :happy:

[kazzie]

I put it in the stickehs with the other helpful thread. ;)

Mergetastic!

[Clunge]

Good shout Kazzie, pisses me off seeing presale links being posted publically.

[Gemsy]

Mergetastic!

Yeah I decided to merge them, there's tons of stickehs in 'ere :LOL:

[Niall]

Any way Kev can add the whole presale link to the board's filter?

[grinty]

Scarlet Mist (They Have A List Of Fraudsters On Their Site)
Another ticket outlet not known to you (Official or Unofficial)

First:

Ask for the email address, ticket confirmation no. & postal address, then where they purchased the tickets

After acquiring that

Then:

Log into the site yourself where it was bought from to verify this.

If still in doubt call the ticket outlet with those details, if it all checks out then they are 100% good if not then don't even consider buying them.

If you are you still not 100% ask for a pic of the tickets & match the ticket order no. to it, it’s always/uusally printed on the ticket with a date as well.

make sure u ask before u bid too as some people dont want to give out these details as you could tell the ticket agent they sold them on.

also i aint sure it would help, they could buy one genuine pair with a ref no etc then make lots of copies.

[Satin]

Hey, do you think that youd be able to get more than one ticket on the pre-sale per person....jus wondering....????

[Gemsy]

Hey, do you think that youd be able to get more than one ticket on the pre-sale per person....jus wondering....????

Yes.

[kazzie]

Hey, do you think that youd be able to get more than one ticket on the pre-sale per person....jus wondering....????

max is normally 4 tickets per booking.

[matt1il]

just remember not to rush into buying tickets if you decide to pay over the odds on ebay - tickets usually drop down in price after a few days once the adrenline of missing out on tickets has died down

also remember some tickets for most areas are held back due to production reasons so don't rush at all on ebay

plus if you wait you can always strike it lucky on musebay

[steelrain]

is anyone still waiting for their presalelink to arrive, as mine still hasnt come through :(

[Gemsy]

is anyone still waiting for their presalelink to arrive, as mine still hasnt come through :(

HELLO! :D

[Emma_Muse]

is anyone still waiting for their presalelink to arrive, as mine still hasnt come through :(

mine hasn't either. this is the first time ever it's taken this long for muse email to arrive for me, if it ever does arrive...

[steelrain]

HELLO! :D

hiya
thats more enthusiasm than i was expecting
still nice tho- fanks!

[DelMuse]

is anyone still waiting for their presalelink to arrive, as mine still hasnt come through :(

still waiting...starting to lose hope, must tell you that!

[steelrain]

mine hasn't either. this is the first time ever it's taken this long for muse email to arrive for me, if it ever does arrive...

i reckon if it doesnt come through soon, i will actually just wait up till it does come through (hopefully it will) and power through the rest of the night.
If this email never arrives, or arrives after the sale, my face will be angrily crumpled, fist shaking at computer screen and all.

[honsaki]

Hi
ive just joined the message board in the hope of getting a pre sale link-yes I could be a tout but Im not. I have seen Muse 3 times over the past few years and just want to ensure I get to see them again. I am from Liverpool originally so am looking to buy tickets for Liverpool. I would gladly contact anyone and have a chat if needed to ensure that I am genuine. Also please check my myspace.com/honsaki to see me and my interests-they are all rock and bike related so please-the presale if possible. I am genuine.

honsaki@ntlworld.com Graham

[Emma_Muse]

i reckon if it doesnt come through soon, i will actually just wait up till it does come through (hopefully it will) and power through the rest of the night.
If this email never arrives, or arrives after the sale, my face will be angrily crumpled, fist shaking at computer screen and all.

keep the faith, it will come through! i just a second ago got mine...phew! :D

[steelrain]

yeah im a little more relaxed now its come through
yay!!!!
just got to manage to nab a ticket tomorrow morning now.
good luck to all


except you touts
shame on you

[WePuTtHeMdOwN]

I am actually getting VERY nervous about booking my tickets now.
I don't know why, I just get the horrible feeling that servers will crash and all tickets will sell out in minutes :( Haven't seen muse since the Black Holes tour.

[Gemsy]

Yeah it will be sold out in minutes. Good luck to everyone though. ;)

[WePuTtHeMdOwN]

Yeah it will be sold out in minutes. Good luck to everyone though. ;)
Ttttttttttthanks!

[Gemsy]

:chuckle: There's always Friday, don't forget. It'll probably be easier then because there's more up for grabs.

DAMN TICKETS.

[steelrain]

its true though
you snooze/are a tiny bit late and you lose

there will always be tickets however- if you are willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money to tout, which sadly might be the case for some of us
hopefully not though

[WePuTtHeMdOwN]

Do you think there will be a sizeable amount of tickets kept over for the friday sale?

[Gemsy]

Do you think there will be a sizeable amount of tickets kept over for the friday sale?

Oh hell yeah, it'll be the majority! Only a small percentage is sold at presales. (I've heard 10%, 15% and 25%, either way there's loads more available in the general sales)

[WePuTtHeMdOwN]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand i can relax.
Thanks!
Though would be nice to get them tomorrow, just to have that satisfaction!

[haze015]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand i can relax.
Thanks!
Though would be nice to get them tomorrow, just to have that satisfaction!

And all the tickets don't always go out on sale on Friday, might be some more available a week later or something.

[thomuse]

Hi all,

I have 4 tickets for the show in Antwerp !!!!

Server was very busy, but in the end, it worked !!!

Muse, here I come !

Thomuse

[St1, the Geologist]

Hi all,

I have 4 tickets for the show in Antwerp !!!!

Server was very busy, but in the end, it worked !!!

Muse, here I come !

Thomuse

Yep, buying tickets for Antwerp goes pretty fine... just try for half an hour and it works... also with visa!

[Bexster]

finnaly got through and it says sold out..not happy:(

[Stephanie Kaoss]

:D I got 4 seating for Thursday and 4 standing for Friday. I was up all night fretting and now I feel all....relieved. I worked out a clever way to get past the Server Busy thing...just click refresh really really fast, like...a vibrator..for ages and then it works. Seriously....:LOL:

[sarayak]

Phew think i just got some for Liverpool not sure though as it hasnt been confiremed so im shitting it haha
x

[cheeky_tp]

Gutted!!! Glasgow SECC sold out :( ....hope I can get tickets in the general sale tomorrow :) !!!

[Citizen_erased?]

Gutted!!! Glasgow SECC sold out :( ....hope I can get tickets in the general sale tomorrow :) !!!

I just got the same message, I may cry! :(

EDIT: I tried again and got some :)

[steelrain]

Gutted!!! Glasgow SECC sold out :( ....hope I can get tickets in the general sale tomorrow :) !!!

glasgow back on sale
be quick
GOOD LUCK

[marlasinger]

I complained to ebay this morning about the speed at which tickets appeared on their site after the presales sold out. Will let you know their response.

:mad:

[Feed the Hex]

it makes me so fucking mad! Why oh why can they just not completely ban the sale of any gig tickets for anything other than face value or less...

[Ragoo]

They aren't going to do anything. Don't waste your time.

[~Tom]

What's the point? I've bought too many, made a genuine mistake and I'm not going to lose money so of course I'm going to sell them privately.

Get to fuck.

[Ragoo]

What's the point? I've bought too many, made a genuine mistake and I'm not going to lose money so of course I'm going to sell them privately.

Get to fuck.Why don't ypu seel them at face value then? You're not gonna lose money that way.

[fleurfritzon]

They aren't going to do anything. Don't waste your time.
They will as long as people complain... people r all to quick to give up in this country hence why wankers like this get away with it!
O2 have sent all the sellers details to their crime unit department to get them blocked, so if u complain it does work!

[~Tom]

I am... The fact is, if one person selling them at extortionate prices gets it removed, mine will.

[Ragoo]

They will as long as people complain... people r all to quick to give up in this country hence why wankers like this get away with it!
O2 have sent all the sellers details to their crime unit department to get them blocked, so if u complain it does work!U2.com board had a fan campaign against the ebay/craigslist touts. Thousands reported. Nothing was done.

[Problemfanatique]

Why don't ypu seel them at face value then? You're not gonna lose money that way.

+1

I'm sick of touts. The amount of tickets on seatwave for this tour is a joke. There's tons on there, all just milked from the bloody FAN pre-sale.

[Problemfanatique]

I am... The fact is, if one person selling them at extortionate prices gets it removed, mine will.

Not if they're sold at face value. You can sell them on here if you like.

[SilentGod]

What they should do is like what happened for Radiohead, where the person who's name is on the ticket, or a person they have designated, HAS to be there at entry for the tickets to be valid.

It means that it's impossible to resell tickets on a scale any larger than the odd person or two who are genuinely taking the place of someone who couldn't make it.

[vibrantXhearts]

Complaining won't do anything. For every person who complains, there's still going to be many more people who will actually buy those tickets.

[SilentGod]

Are these guys for real?
http://ukticketfactory.com/

Seem dodgy, their only google reference is their own site...

[DeadKenny]

That's the disturbing thing. Just how many people are getting ripped off by them. Do they even know that they could wait until tomorrow and likely for the next few weeks as more tickets will trickle out. Why on earth pay £150 for a pre-sale ticket? !

Okay you could say they only have themselves to blame, but then it's been shown time and again there are many (especially kids) who just don't realise what's going on until too late. I do feel sorry for the younger lot who are so desperate and get ripped off this way. I'd love to be able to comment on the auctions to tell them to just get official tickets tomorrow.

And then of course there's no guarantee that what's on ebay is genuine anyway.

[fleurfritzon]

U2.com board had a fan campaign against the ebay/craigslist touts. Thousands reported. Nothing was done.
start at the top not the bottom then u will get somewhere... Also how do u exactly buy too many tickets? instead of selling them on Ebay why not sell them on musebay or was that the point of over ordering in the first place?

[jo-an]

Are these guys for real?
http://ukticketfactory.com/

Seem dodgy, their only google reference is their own site...

I wouldn't risk it if I were you...

[AlexB]

sad thing is that people are accutally bidding on the tickets on ebay even though the main sale hasnt accutally happend yet :facepalm:

[Ragoo]

sad thing is that people are accutally bidding on the tickets on ebay even though the main sale hasnt accutally happend yet :facepalm:Oh yeah massive facepalm! U2 had unique presale codes for every memebr and those codes costs up to 2 000 dollars on ebay. Like wtf???? It's only a code for your chance to buy the ticket and the ticket itself.

[westy 2007]

if im on 9am sharp tomorrow whats the chances of getting 2?

[Feed the Hex]

sad thing is that people are accutally bidding on the tickets on ebay even though the main sale hasnt accutally happend yet :facepalm:

I said that yesterday someone was selling O2 tix for £239 each *before* even the presale ...surely that is completely illegal ..has to be fraud ..you can't sell something you don't actually have?:wtf:

[fleurfritzon]

if im on 9am sharp tomorrow whats the chances of getting 2?
u talking about the ticket website?

[westy 2007]

yes, im using ticketmaster.

[Ragoo]

I said that yesterday someone was selling O2 tix for £239 each *before* even the presale ...surely that is completely illegal ..has to be fraud ..you can't sell something you don't actually have?:wtf:What about something like a season pass to events? Most stadiums have this so maybe some arenas have this option too? Surely these people would have their tickets already.

[Popey]

If anyone has purchased tickets too many then PLEASE use the Musebay service that we offer.

There you can sell tickets for facevalue. The only thing potential buyers pay extra for is postage if they insist on having them sent to them.

There's no need, other than your own greed, to sell them on ebay for more money than they are worth. Simple as.

[fleurfritzon]

yes, im using ticketmaster.
Ticketmaster aren't selling the london tickets if thats what u r after.... if it's for anywhere else then it should be ok

[QueenOfNerds]

I think it is a good idea to buy more than you need that way you can sell them at face value and get your money back. Saves us from the touts.

[westy 2007]

yeah its for sheffield. i just hope i get 2 tickets tomorrow at 9am, ive waited 3 years for this :(

[sparkle19]

Ticketmaster aren't selling the london tickets if thats what u r after.... if it's for anywhere else then it should be ok

Ticketmaster are selling London tickets :)

[glittervoid]

i don't know why ebay doesn't ban the sale of tickets.

[fleurfritzon]

If anyone has purchased tickets too many then PLEASE use the Musebay service that we offer.

There you can sell tickets for facevalue. The only thing potential buyers pay extra for is postage if they insist on having them sent to them.

There's no need, other than your own greed, to sell them on ebay for more money than they are worth. Simple as.
u forgot to call them wankers.....

[Feed the Hex]

What about something like a season pass to events? Most stadiums have this so maybe some arenas have this option too? Surely these people would have their tickets already.

I've been saying this for years.....have a system like for football matches at the start of the year you buy a book of 'passes' then you exchange them for tix for the gigs you want , or bands could do their own pre tour.
peeps might say it's elitist ie only people with money could afford to pay up front for say 10 gigs but to be honest myself and lots of my friends go to literally dozens of gigs a year ..we pay it anyway ..so ...

[westy 2007]

i actually was quite sad today :/ i didnt get them and then the sold out, i had 2 hours of the page not being displayed!

[fleurfritzon]

Ticketmaster are selling London tickets :)
I looked on there earlier & they never had them on there....but now they are!
Cheers for pointing that out so much easier to get them on their site than gigs&shit.

[.Muuse.]

What they should do is like what happened for Radiohead, where the person who's name is on the ticket, or a person they have designated, HAS to be there at entry for the tickets to be valid.

It means that it's impossible to resell tickets on a scale any larger than the odd person or two who are genuinely taking the place of someone who couldn't make it.

But what about someone lik me then? I had to buy the tickets using my mothers credit card so it's gonna say her name not mine on the ticket.. that would b a little unfair if they refused me.:(

[fleurfritzon]

I think it is a good idea to buy more than you need that way you can sell them at face value and get your money back. Saves us from the touts.
??? If u don't buy them then fans get the chace to buy the ones u don't need!

[sparkle19]

??? If u don't buy them then fans get the chace to buy the ones u don't need!

+1...

[SilentGod]

I wouldn't risk it if I were you...

Yeah, I'm not going to. Seems like a phishing/scam site.

I did a WHOIS lookup and it seems they've used http://www.privacypost.com/, which hides their real info. Which is really suspicious, why would a company want to hide it's registrar, other than being a scam site?

[Miss Blee]

If anyone has purchased tickets too many then PLEASE use the Musebay service that we offer.

There you can sell tickets for facevalue. The only thing potential buyers pay extra for is postage if they insist on having them sent to them.

There's no need, other than your own greed, to sell them on ebay for more money than they are worth. Simple as.
I would just like to second this. If you have more tickets than you need please use musebay and not eBay or you are really as bad as the touts.

[AlexB]

The fact they sell up to 30 tickets at a time is a little suspicious aswell :LOL:

[Feed the Hex]

But what about someone lik me then? I had to buy the tickets using my mothers credit card so it's gonna say her name not mine on the ticket.. that would b a little unfair if they refused me.:(


you didn't read what it said ...the person on the card can nominate the person with the ticket ....:happy:

[lennon38]

this really pisses me off i love muse and had 2 take the day off work to order presale,i ordered 2 many,my mates however couldnt afford to do so so i will sell the extro tickets at face value.I REFUSE TO USE TOUTS would rather miss the gig than line the pockets of these LEECHES

[fleurfritzon]

this really pisses me off i love muse and had 2 take the day off work to order presale,i ordered 2 many,my mates however couldnt afford to do so so i will sell the extro tickets at face value.I REFUSE TO USE TOUTS would rather miss the gig than line the pockets of these LEECHES
If they r in london I will take them off ya hands :)

[[DT|_Me]DEADSTAR]

Oh yeah massive facepalm! U2 had unique presale codes for every memebr and those codes costs up to 2 000 dollars on ebay. Like wtf???? It's only a code for your chance to buy the ticket and the ticket itself.

actually I must confess I bought a O2 code off ebay recently but that one was like 2 GBP. I don't care. So I get at least a good chance to get all the tickets for my people.

Bye the way I think we should mass-overrun those Ticketsellers in front of the venues. Take em all ticks away. Are they gonna call the cops? LOL

[Nimpo46]

Anyone wanna buy two tickets? You name the location and I'll get them to you! I already ordered them from www.ticketsfornimpo.com/realtickets.

Confirmation number: 20938072934872039472394720365279342347029764323541 987256490

[DeadKenny]

I said that yesterday someone was selling O2 tix for £239 each *before* even the presale ...surely that is completely illegal ..has to be fraud ..you can't sell something you don't actually have?:wtf:
Well it's legal for shares (e.g. short selling)... but then look at the mess share traders in the city got us into doing things like that! ;)

Some retailers that take orders will take them without having obtained stock yet and put in a purchase later once they've got enough cash.

Might be against ebay rules though. Not sure.

[Ragoo]

DEADSTAR;5917170']actually I must confess I bought a O2 code off ebay recently but that one was like 2 GBP. I don't care. So I get at least a good chance to get all the tickets for my people.
Just how recently? You waiting for the 2010 tour? There will be new codes I believe... But then again 2 pounds is nothing. A day before the U2 fanclub sale was on the codes cost up to a couple of grand per code....

[EJ.]

I am happy that people are aware of these parasites. Some online-ticket-sellers ask almost 4 times the face-value.

worldticketshop.com and onlineticketshop.com are 2 of them.

[[DT|_Me]DEADSTAR]

Just how recently? You waiting for the 2010 tour? There will be new codes I believe... But then again 2 pounds is nothing. A day before the U2 fanclub sale was on the codes cost up to a couple of grand per code....

that's just insane.

No the code's for tomorrow. Bought it the day before yesterday

[bILLOO]

£75.00 for one ticket. I honestly do not know why ebay just lets them get away with it. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Cos it makes them money I guess!

[Paola]

you know if all tickets are in presale or only a fixed quote (and i could try to buy it in general sale)?

[speedystill]

Over the mooooon ! got myself three tickets today, but was looking on Ebay for music and there are loads of Muse tickets for sale already, it's quite sick really because the real fans will get ripped off in the long run........so some fool will sell the ticket and probably get drunk on his/her profit, but if they went to see them they could live on the HIGH for years to come.

Well that's my opinion :mad:

[Meep]

you know if all tickets are in presale or only a fixed quote (and i could try to buy it in general sale)?
Only a small percentage :yesey:

[Amy W]

Yeah. Bloody annoying innit?

There's another thread for this further down if you wanna vent in there... too many threads been started about this.

[leetroot]

could try reporting the ebay sales to gigsandtours as it breaks their contract

"In particular, we draw your attention to the fact that all tickets are for personal use only and cannot be resold under any circumstances. Resale or attempted resale is grounds for seizure or cancellation without refund or other compensation. The Event Partner and its affiliates, successors, or assigns may enforce these terms in accordance with the provisions of the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 "

but i doubt you'd get anywhere. and not all the tickets are bought through them anyway.

[James.]

Unfortunately its very easy for touts to sign up for mailing lists of popular groups like Muse. I was hoping to get tickets for Sheffield today but looks like I'll be fighting with touts to be able to view the booking page and buy tomorrow instead now.
Until reselling concert tickets for profit is made illegal, ebay will continue to allow these sales.:mad:

[Ragoo]

DEADSTAR;5917850']that's just insane.

No the code's for tomorrow. Bought it the day before yesterdayAye, Only Ireland had the O2 presale before general sale! Good luck tomorrow!

[Tiggsy]

why do tickets for things I really want go on sale when I have no money?I'll have to see if a friend can try get some tomorrow

[StockholmSyndrome]

Quick Question, Seetickets say that tickets wont be sent out until about a week before the gig, So how can these leeches sell them already?

[Chlotastiqué]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!

N.I.A SOOOOLD OUT!!! :eek: Pleeeease sell us soome toomorow!! :D

[eternallymused]

Quick Question, Seetickets say that tickets wont be sent out until about a week before the gig, So how can these leeches sell them already?

Maybe they got the print-out tickets:erm: Unless that's not possible;)

[davetoms]

Quick Question, Seetickets say that tickets wont be sent out until about a week before the gig, So how can these leeches sell them already?

Cos they know the tickets will be sent out before then.

[hystericali]

just found this on play.com:

http://www.play.com/Tickets/TicketsEvent/4-/6232197/-/Product.html?searchstring=muse&searchsource=2

[davetoms]

just found this on play.com:

http://www.play.com/Tickets/TicketsEvent/4-/6232197/-/Product.html?searchstring=muse&searchsource=2

All the legit sites seem to be in on the act now - selling tickets on at a price.

[eco]

What's with this?
http://www.seetickets.com/gat/event.asp?n|showname=coming&showname=muse&e|promoter=372&orderby=date&filler1=gigsandtours&filler2=muse

For some reason it says the NIA ticket are "not available". Does that mean they're sold out?

[RazzGirl]

What's with this?
http://www.seetickets.com/gat/event.asp?n|showname=coming&showname=muse&e|promoter=372&orderby=date&filler1=gigsandtours&filler2=muse

For some reason it says the NIA ticket are "not available". Does that mean they're sold out?

nope. the pre-sale is sold out. general sale isnt sold out. try your luck tomorrow, :)

[sparkle58]

Somebody here feels strongly about ticket sellers on Ebay :ohmy:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/muse-acdc-DO-NOT-BUY-TICKETS-ON-EBAY-READ-THIS-FIRST_W0QQitemZ160339986742QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_T ickets_Tickets_LE?hash=item2555020936&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A16%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7 C301%3A0%7C293%3A3%7C294%3A50

[Nkaj]

yeah i got tickets from the www.ukticketfactory.com ,then saw how it looked like a scam and my mums just off the phone from visa.Apperently they are a registered company in HUNGARY.

[Nkaj]

Are these guys for real?
http://ukticketfactory.com/

Seem dodgy, their only google reference is their own site...

um we brought tickets their and my mums just off the phone with visa,apperently they are a registored company in hungary,so they are a real company and we will get our money back if they use our details

[DeadKenny]

eBay's rules on tickets with contractual limits...

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/contracts.html

i.e., "nothing to do with us" basically.

Though how enforceable these contracts are anyway is questionable. I suspect consumer rights allow you to sell your purchase regardless of what the contract says, and regardless, although we're up in arms about people who take the piss, most of us here would probably sell their ticket at face value if they can't make it or it's a spare yet that would breach the same contract.

[Gemsy]

I actually e-mailed eBay this morning too, haha.

[jay13bry]

these touts... I like the idea of a minimum amount of time that a member can be on the mailing list ect before being offered tickets. For example the people who have been a fan or w.e for longer getting priority.

[Andy Erased]

Well. I got home from work yesterday at 9.40am. All presale were gone.

Today, I got back and was on See at 9.02. I refreshed constantly until 9.36. I've been ringing them too.
Ticketmaster at 9.08. I rang them too.
Aloud
Ticketline
Gigsandtours. I rang them too.

This is the first tour in six years that I haven't got tickets to. And theres some *I'd use expletives here, but there is no combination of words strong enough* person on ebay who is selling forty tickets in twenty pairs on ebay. I'm going to break something. Or someone. It's kind of a combination of rage and despair I'm feeling.

Now my only hope is that another Brum date will be added on the 11th, and that I'll have to drive 150 miles. So angry...

[weeksy53]

It does my head in when you see these touts on eBay. Down side of the internets isn't it :mad:

[Gemsy]

I might rename this THE ANGER THREAD. I will spend my day drafting a letter to be sent to MPs about this touting bollocks. Am sick to death of it and it's about time we all took action.

[MissClips]

ahhh it totally sucks. why aren't the REAL fans aren't getting the tickets. what has the world come to? D:

[AloFury]

i think a good way to stop this scalping is to have the tickets printed off with the names of the purchaser actually on the stubs.. upon entry to said venue - if no photo id is presented with the matching purchasers' name, then they get turned away.. :mad:

either that or the muse store sells tickets to fans directly! :) (spose this is the pre-sale bit)

im all for a free market but this kind of re-selling really only leaves the real fans pissed off

[Gemsy]

Yes, it's up to the fans and bands to do this, I think. None of these labels, promoters or ticket agents have any interest in fairness, so they won't waste time and energy on implementing new ID systems. So long as they get £££ for selling batches of tickets to scalper sites, they're okay with it.

I want to know why more measures are in place to stop touting/scalping for sporting events, but the live music ticketing business is a giant corrupt mess?

And I keep seeing the word 'free market'. My arse, it's the same few bastard companies that rake in the cash by doing this. A real free market would be bands and fans working together to stop this bollocks and make their own money in a more honest way. I would pay £80 a ticket if it was going to Muse to cover their own costs directly, and I'm sure a lot of other people would too.

[AloFury]

I would pay £80 a ticket if it was going to Muse to cover their own costs directly, and I'm sure a lot of other people would too.

/me nods in agreement

[Gemsy]

Just 'cause I'm posting it everywhere:

If you didn't get tickets this morning, please don't rush into any drastic action (i.e. paying £3,000 from a cockspanner touting company) today. You will probably find tickets popping up on the agents' websites today as people's orders are cancelled etc.

If not, I hope I can persuade you to try MuseBay constantly, especially nearer the time. People will realise they can't go/get better tickets at the last minute, and will be looking to sell theirs on.

[Amy W]

Yeah it's still aaages until the gigs, plenty of time for some people to maybe end up not being able to go. Trust people on this site, not Ebay. You're paying twice for each ticket otherwise and it's not helping to stop the touts.

I looked on Ebay earlier actually and unfortunately there are so many peope bidding on massively overpriced tickets... :(

[curious_orange]

Its really hard to resist ebay when you want to see a gig, but there are alternatives, and theres plenty of time to get sorted. There's bound to be more tickets released over the next few hours/days/weeks :)
edit: and ebay prices always come right down after the initial panic dies away too, so if Musebay doesn't come through for you in the end you will always be able to find a ticket for a decent price nearer the time as a last resort

Don't know if any of you have already read this, but Trent Reznor explains the ticket scalping situation pretty well here:


http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?9,548515

[garseys]

Yes, it's up to the fans and bands to do this, I think. None of these labels, promoters or ticket agents have any interest in fairness, so they won't waste time and energy on implementing new ID systems. So long as they get £££ for selling batches of tickets to scalper sites, they're okay with it.

I want to know why more measures are in place to stop touting/scalping for sporting events, but the live music ticketing business is a giant corrupt mess?

Sporting Fans get violent, I think we need a few riots:LOL:
seriously though Measures do need to be put in place.

And I keep seeing the word 'free market'. My arse, it's the same few bastard companies that rake in the cash by doing this.
A real free market would be bands and fans working together to stop this bollocks and make their own money in a more honest way. I would pay £80 a ticket if it was going to Muse to cover their own costs directly, and I'm sure a lot of other people would too.

you obviously heard of the ticketmaster/live nation merger. tbh they'd prefer if we outbidded one another to get tickets.:rolleyes:

and +1 on paying more if the band were covering costs directly

[Gemsy]

Sporting Fans get violent, I think we need a few riots:LOL:
seriously though Measures do need to be put in place.


you obviously heard of the ticketmaster/live nation merger. tbh they'd prefer if we outbidded one another to get tickets.:rolleyes:

and +1 on paying more if the band were covering costs directly

Aargh yeah, it's all so infuriating. I'm surprised you don't hear of more violence, I bet there are a few touts that have been smacked outside venues.

[kev]

use this to vent fury at ticket companies etc..

[Gemsy]

:)

[Megglen]

I'm gonna grumble that YOU FUCKING WANKERS AT MUSE HAVE NOT FUCKING SAID ANYTHING ABOUT AUSTRALIA!! :mad:

Right, all better now :happy:

[Ragoo]

Can we also have a happy thread? I feel left out... :D

[Madam Harkonnen]

Y'know, I could grumble - didn't get all the tickets I wanted, server and communication problems, crazy fees, etc., etc. - but there are lots of us scrabbling for tickets and a one-to-one fan:venue-staff ratio is never gonna happen :LOL:

We've got another few months for swapsies and sales as circumstances change and people pull out or alter their plans, and more tickets will trickle out on sale.

The process was poo, but I'm fairly happy with my final outcome, and in a thousand years none of this will matter any more.

After all... it's only Muse :)

[someguy2012]

I nearly got 2 single tickets, although they would have been seperate. :S They sold out again. The guy was like, don't worry they won't sell out for ages. Then they did. Very quickly :LOL:
Hopeing for cancelled tickets to come online.

[JoBear]

I'm gonna grumble that YOU FUCKING WANKERS AT MUSE HAVE NOT FUCKING SAID ANYTHING ABOUT AUSTRALIA!! :mad:

Right, all better now :happy:
that's because australia doesn't really exist. i mean, marsupials?! c'mon, those are totally made up!

[WutDaFucksy]

Well I am going to grumble because I got nothing and spent all of yesterday and all of today so far trying to even get to an order form for standing at the O2 and got nowhere.

[Davy]

Stupidly expensive transaction and delivery fees. I mean, it now says that fees for seated tickets are only £2, whereas standing is £4.80. Why should standing be any different?!

[Eternally Agitated]

Well I failed miserably to get any tickets for the O2 gigs despite trying probably near enough 100 times. PLEASE RELEASE MORE DATES MUSE!

[Dirty K]

Same, i missed two mornings of college for that shit and as much as i know it cant be helped and no one should be blamed its just a crock of shit when gigs sell out that fast! Surely the ticket companies know that there is going to be ridiculously high demand and should accomodate for that somehow so im not met with Sever Busy every goddam time

[Megglen]

that's because australia doesn't really exist. i mean, marsupials?! c'mon, those are totally made up!

Yeah *hangs head* I know.. I'm just hoping that all the smart British people will recognise Australia not as a place where spiders run free, but as a continent

[Hobo]

I managed to get on Ticketmaster a few minutes before 9, and even then I couldn't even get a standing ticket for the 13th....and I still haven't. :indiff: Grumble grumble grumble....

[TheWilbz]

I have a got a seated ticket at the Liverpool Echo gig, but really won't be able to stand going to a Muse gig and sitting down. So, if I can't get a swap I will be selling at a generous price...Because I <3 Muse fans ;)

[TheWilbz]

Fail double.

[slacks70]

only doing 5 or so UK dates is bloody stupid! 02= 40000 both nights at full capacity! wot the fuck! Wembly sold out 140000!
im hoping they'll do glasto next yr. full orchestra? who knows!

[TheWilbz]

I'm pretty convinced they will add more dates. They sold out in about 35mins max, it would be foolish and a tad disrespectful to the fans if they didnt.

[ADAM]

Muse need to belt up! :rolleyes:

1) "Fan Pre-Sale" is just a "secret" link (that everyone gets hold of) the day before. :noey: It SHOULD be passworded to actual fans and not those who just sign up to the mailing list on the day. Because now look - theye all on ebay! Fail.

2) "Let's get bigger and bigger and then play less and less dates" yep. nice one. :facepalm:

3) I will bet money that there will be a "due to extra demand more dates added"...I mean, what are they doing on the 7th, 8th and 11th eh? Hmmm And if they DO do that, they should make it clear from day one! Many a time i've bought tickets for "the last date" and then they add another the day after, which is more disrespectful to fans than not adding extra dates.

Then theres seetickets...

They had about 8 bands all going on sale at 9am this morning. Their severs cant handle the amount of requests so it all goes pear shaped!

One band per day? Or new servers? Google can deal with millions of requests every day...seetickets cant!

AAND They charge more for standing than seats which is redicularse! Surely seats should be more due to "wear and tear of the actual seats"?!

Gah!

Got me 4 standing at Birmingham SOMEHOW (I still dunno HOW i did it!?!) at 10am - an hour after trying and failing on seetickets!

Gah!

[kev]

Stupidly expensive transaction and delivery fees. I mean, it now says that fees for seated tickets are only £2, whereas standing is £4.80. Why should standing be any different?!
as i understand the reason for that is they send standing recorded and seating royal mail on the basis that if seating doesnt arrive they can reprint the tickets but for standing they dont allow it

[capthowdy]

Muse need to belt up! :rolleyes:

1) "Fan Pre-Sale" is just a "secret" link (that everyone gets hold of) the day before. :noey: It SHOULD be passworded to actual fans and not those who just sign up to the mailing list on the day. Because now look - theye all on ebay! Fail.

2) "Let's get bigger and bigger and then play less and less dates" yep. nice one. :facepalm:




People will ALWAYS get screwed on presales, ALWAYS. And anyway, what IS actual fan? How do you tell? What do they look like?

Not having a go man, you're pissed and it's understandable but there absolutely fuck all you can do about. You could mitigate a bit by charging for mu membership but can you imagine the row, geez. I've been paid up U2 member for years, only to get a chance for tickets in their presales, and you should see how fucked off people get over there about tickets, fees etc.

Agreed with the rest of your points, though.

[ADAM]

People will ALWAYS get screwed on presales, ALWAYS. And anyway, what IS actual fan? How do you tell? What do they look like?

Not having a go man, you're pissed and it's understandable but there absolutely fuck all you can do about. You could mitigate a bit by charging for mu membership but can you imagine the row, geez. I've been paid up U2 member for years, only to get a chance for tickets in their presales, and you should see how fucked off people get over there about tickets, fees etc.

Agreed with the rest of your points, though.

I see what youre saying - but you dont just put a link up a day before because as we've just witnessed..its not the fans that get them!

Don't NIN have passwords so that it IS just the fans who get them?

And I dunno...you have a look at how long theyve been signed up to mailing list and maybe their post count on here or something. I can see exactly what youre saying though. Yeah its unfair on the people who dont post on here...but at the moment its unfair on the people who DO! :\

EDIT:
Trent Reznor:
"We (NIN) require you to sign up at our site (for free) to get tickets. We limit the amount you can buy, we print your name on the tickets and we have our own person let you in a separate entrance where we check your ID to match the ticket. We charge you a surcharge that has been less than TicketMaster's or Live Nation's in all cases so far to pay for the costs of doing this - it's not a profit center for us. We have essentially stopped scalping by doing these things - because we want true fans to be able to get great seats and not get ripped off by these parasites."

Muse just put an open link up on the internet the day before allowing anyone to get hold of them!

EDIT 2:
In 2006 Muse played 14 dates in the UK as part of their European tour.

Since then theyve gotten bigger and better and more well-known.

Demand to see them has grown.

So they play just 6 dates to accommodate this! :rolleyes:

[Gemsy]

Unfortunately Muse probably don't have a lot of say, as they're still under management/tied into Warner, etc. They're probably tied in to contracts and all sorts of bollocks. Therefore, all bands need to do a Radiohead as soon as they can and get out of this shit market.

[capthowdy]

I see what youre saying - but you dont just put a link up a day before because as we've just witnessed..its not the fans that get them!

Don't NIN have passwords so that it IS just the fans who get them?

And I dunno...you have a look at how long theyve been signed up to mailing list and maybe their post count on here or something. I can see exactly what youre saying though. Yeah its unfair on the people who dont post on here...but at the moment its unfair on the people who DO! :\

I remember the shit the happened on u2's vertigo tour - tons of ppl who had been paid up members of the old U2 Propaganda Club got right-royally screwwwwwwed over on presale tix - codes not working, TM crashing, credit cards refused for no reason - the boards were going mental with so much traffic that Larry Mullan jr. actually sent out a personal email to all members apologising for to mess and promising to make sure that it didn;t happen again.

This time around, for the 360 tour, it went far better. They split the membership into three groups - full u2.com members with unbroken, paid up membership got access to the presale first, then the two other groups, all based on how people had been members for.

Here's the interesting thing though, as far as I can remember, the mods at u2.com asked the memebers to watch out for ticket listings on ebay and to post the links on one of the boards. They then had ticketmaster cancel the tickets and/or have ebay drop the listing. Someone can correct me but I think thats how it worked and it I believe it worked pretty well, not perfect, but better than doing fuck all about those fucking scum touts.

[Gemsy]

I remember the shit the happened on u2's vertigo tour - tons of ppl who had been paid up members of the old U2 Propaganda Club got right-royally screwwwwwwed over on presale tix - codes not working, TM crashing, credit cards refused for no reason - the boards were going mental with so much traffic that Larry Mullan jr. actually sent out a personal email to all members apologising for to mess and promising to make sure that it didn;t happen again.

This time around, for the 360 tour, it went far better. They split the membership into three groups - full u2.com members with unbroken, paid up membership got access to the presale first, then the two other groups, all based on how people had been members for.

Here's the interesting thing though, as far as I can remember, the mods at u2.com asked the memebers to watch out for ticket listings on ebay and to post the links on one of the boards. They then had ticketmaster cancel the tickets and/or have ebay drop the listing. Someone can correct me but I think thats how it worked and it I believe it worked pretty well, not perfect, but better than doing fuck all about those fucking scum touts.

That's exactly what's needed, how can we get them to do that for us?

[Emma_Muse]

The whole UK tour for this album is very strange. Only a few dates, missing out venues that they normally wouldn't. The only explanation I can think of is they're doing a stadium tour next year, they must be.

[capthowdy]

Trent Reznor:
"We (NIN) require you to sign up at our site (for free) to get tickets. We limit the amount you can buy, we print your name on the tickets and we have our own person let you in a separate entrance where we check your ID to match the ticket. We charge you a surcharge that has been less than TicketMaster's or Live Nation's in all cases so far to pay for the costs of doing this - it's not a profit center for us. We have essentially stopped scalping by doing these things - because we want true fans to be able to get great seats and not get ripped off by these parasites."



Yup, that would be cracker idea. Maybe someone with a bit of clout keeps an eye on threads like this for ideas like that. Anything, ANYTHING that helps to get tix into the hands of the fans is alright with me.

[capthowdy]

The whole UK tour for this album is very strange. Only a few dates, missing out venues that they normally wouldn't. The only explanation I can think of is they're doing a stadium tour next year, they must be.

Placebo did that on the Meds tour. Small uk club tour, wait to see how the new album does then a full uk areana tour. I'm kinda thing that Muse are doing the same thing too.

[ADAM]

so weve got all this to happen again? Oh yay! I cant wait! lol

[capthowdy]

That's exactly what's needed, how can we get them to do that for us?

prolly too late now but like I said before, maybe someone who can make things happen will see these posts? Can only hope. I

[jamie226]

Hi,

i bought tickets from ukticketfactory.com, looks like i have been scamed ;( , just found this forum

http://www.safeconcerts.com/forum/threads.asp?forum_urn=124&t_urn=9895

Jamie

[capthowdy]

so weve got all this to happen again? Oh yay! I cant wait! lol


valium will get you through the stress :LOL:

[capthowdy]

Hi,

i bought tickets from ukticketfactory.com, looks like i have been scamed ;( , just found this forum

http://www.safeconcerts.com/forum/threads.asp?forum_urn=124&t_urn=9895

Jamie

Did you use a credit card?

[jamie226]

How can i get my money back? any advise?

[jamie226]

No i used a debit card :(

[jamie226]

Has anyone else bought tickets from ukticketfactory.com ? is it true that they are based in hungary?

[Gimberz]

Ok so tickets are now sold out for venues like the O2 and you don't want to buy tickets from some overpriced tout or resale website charging double the ticket face value? Well there is maybe still one option....

This is only going to be useable by a very small minority of you but if you know someone with black Amex credit card (the account level above platinum which comes with your own conceirge service), then beg them to book via the conceirge service for you. I got my boss who has one to check with them and Amex have got a block of standing tickets for the 02. Despite phoning them at 11am this morning, well after all sold out, they just phoned back with 4 standing tickets for us for Friday 13th November at £42 approx. Not bad eh?

Having gone through agony of missing out on tickets via usual sources at 9am this morning, you can imagine how excited I am now am that I managed to get tickets at a sensable price!!!!

I hope this info helps some of you that are still hunting for tickets.

[jamie226]

hello just found this info about ukticketfactory.com

http://www.safeconcerts.com/forum/threads.asp?forum_urn=124&t_urn=9895

i think i have been scammed !
how can i get my money back? any advise?

[005]

Contact your bank & ask them for advice but do it now

If you read what I wrote you would not have been scammed my friend, in future, its best to be patient, desperation for tickets is what these scammers look for!

[capthowdy]

+1

[Beasy]

No i used a debit card :(

If you used a debit card you're probably ok - just get hold of your bank and they should be able to get the money refunded.
Credit cards are trickier....strangely

[005]

Please look at the 1st page folks I've added more info & pics

[sophieyk2]

Another thing, if you miss out on tickets, please don't go buying from touts/people wishing to exploit you in this way, once people stop buying from these people, they won't have a business and actually make it easier for you to get tickets in the future.

However much you love Muse and however badly you want to see them live, it's not worth the risk of paying more than face value for fake tickets, they'll always play again :)

I agree, tried buying from gigsandtours.com, took my card details and everything before telling there was a problem with the order and I had to phone them. Guy was apologetic and said all tickets had sold out and money wouldn't be taken from account - I hope not! Looked at ebay and sure enough they are selling 2 tickets worth £41.25 each for more than double that. No I love Muse but my pocket isn't that deep.

[Shaun!]

I have ordered 4 tickets for the 12th november o2 date, via the pre-sale link sent by the muse mailing list.

Seetickets says

"Tickets will be despatched as soon as possible, but may not be received until the week of the event. If your tickets haven't arrived 48 hours before the event, please contact us"

And

"We will start to despatch tickets for this event on approximately 22/10/2009 and we expect to have all tickets despatched by 05/11/2009."

Has anyone had experience with Seetickets before, in terms of delivery?

Do they really send them out a week before the event, or earlier? Just that 5 months seems a long, long time to wait to receive tickets that would fit in an envelope with a 2nd class stamp on them

Thanks in advance for any replies

[jo-an]

Usually it's sooner than what they say, but yes it can take quite a long time before they send them out.
They might do so to make it difficult for touts to sell their tix on ebay.
People are more willing to buy tickets that are "in hand" rather than tickets that will be sent to you "as soon as received from promotor".
And of course they send out thousands of tickets a day, selling tickets to dozens and dozens of gigs. We have to wait our turn! :)

[o21991]

Well it depends.. i use seetickets all the time and have never recieved my tickets 48 hours before the event. Usually around 2-3 weeks beforehand but i cant be sure as it can be different all the time.

[Shaun!]

Cheers for the answers and re-assurance.

Any idea how many the o2 will be holding in total?

ANDD, when is there a chance to buy merch? I wanna buy a tour tee-shirt, i hope they are £25 max...

[jo-an]

Capacity for the O2 is 22,500.
You can buy merch before or after the gig.

[Shaun!]

Capacity for the O2 is 22,500.
You can buy merch before or after the gig.

Cheers. done a bit of research and saw that seated capabity was 20,000, so simple mathematics says 2500 will be standing. shame i'm seated, but i couldn't get standing on the pre-sale and was desperate to guarantee myself some tickets.

[Peroxide Pixie]

From my experience sometimes they leave it till the last minute which is pretty stressful as they send them recorded delivery and I'm not generally in during the day! Fingers crossed this won't happen this time.

[unocave]

First of all I am so happy to get the tickets for O2 and am looking forward to a cracking show.

But I must say I went to Ebay to take a look and I am furious to see how many touts there are this year!

One person is selling 2 standing for £300!

I think it's gone far too far this time and the government or someone needs to step in and shut these people down. Whenever a tout turns up on Ebay the site should revoke their profile and then relay their info to Seetickets or Ticketmaster to refund their money and take back the ticket so real fans can purchase them. Sure it will be difficult for some weeks/months but after then the touts would have finally gotten the point.

It's a very sad thing to know there are many of us real fans and nothing beats having a fans experience, like we all muse.mu members at RAH, and I was hoping we'd have that at O2. Now, thanks to tout CUNTS the people who deserve the tickets won't be able to go and see the music that enlightens them!

Fucking CUNT touts!

I'm sorry for the language musers but, despite getting my tickets, I am furious on everyone's behalf.

Lets just hope they book a Wembley Stadium date for the summer!

[Shaun!]

From my experience sometimes they leave it till the last minute which is pretty stressful as they send them recorded delivery and I'm not generally in during the day! Fingers crossed this won't happen this time.

Sounds extremely irritating, i don't know how my college timetable will be next academic year so won't be able to attempt to plan to stay at home when tickets are due

edit: i'm not far from you pixie, i'm in swindon :D

[matt1il]

From my experience sometimes they leave it till the last minute which is pretty stressful as they send them recorded delivery and I'm not generally in during the day! Fingers crossed this won't happen this time.

i have had this - and also had to take days off work to recieve them the day before

it is especially bad if they use royal mail - who you would think would be decent at mailing stuff

but dont worry they are normally good it has been an exception compared to most gigs

EDIT: not that ticketmaster are much better (unless you use that new nifty print off thing they have for some gigs)

[Peroxide Pixie]

Sounds extremely irritating, i don't know how my college timetable will be next academic year so won't be able to attempt to plan to stay at home when tickets are due

edit: i'm not far from you pixie, i'm in swindon :D

Cool :D

Nice to have something to look forward to I'm not going on holiday this year, well not till next January so Muse is as exciting as it's getting for me this year :LOL:

[Benwithjamin!]

Yes, repping up Swindon!!

[Gemsy]

Yes they always turn up right at the last minute.

[Shaun!]

Woops posted in wrong place.

[Shaun!]

Cool :D

Nice to have something to look forward to I'm not going on holiday this year, well not till next January so Muse is as exciting as it's getting for me this year :LOL:

Oo, would be nice to bump into southerners on the train/coach/underground.

Haven't spoken to my cousin about how we're gonna go about getting down there, but there's plenty more time for that. I'm still jealous he was at wembley 17th june for BH&R!

And i'm just going to wales camping i think, haha. F**k foreign lands! (and sheep in wales?)
I also have one more thing to look forward to this year, i turn 18 13 days after the muse gig. Can't wait!

EDIT: Sorry for DBL post.

BEN! Where abouts in swindon are you, and are you currently at college?

[Benwithjamin!]

BEN! Where abouts in swindon are you, and are you currently at college?
[off topic]
I'm from near Coate Water and I go to New College, well, just finished second year. What about you man?
[/off topic]

[glens73]

I have to say it's fecking disgraceful that ebay is full of Muse tickets for the tour, it's the same with other big acts as well not just Muse. It doesn't happen with football tickets so why the feck does this happen with concert tickets.

I tried to get tickets this morning at work in vain, unfortunately I couldn't and I was too busy to keep persisting. I got tickets in 2006 for Manchester and was really keen to go again.

You'll have to excuse me if other posters have mentioned this already, I haven't had time to go through the threads.

[matt1il]

I have to say it's fecking disgraceful that ebay is full of Muse tickets for the tour, it's the same with other big acts as well not just Muse. It doesn't happen with football tickets so why the feck does this happen with concert tickets.

I tried to get tickets this morning at work in vain, unfortunately I couldn't and I was too busy to keep persisting. I got tickets in 2006 for Manchester and was really keen to go again.

You'll have to excuse me if other posters have mentioned this already, I haven't had time to go through the threads.

because footie tickets are tret very seriously in this issue due to fakes and banned ppl gettin in

the rules were brought in after the tradegy of '89 and the taylor report

i wudnt mind if they brought in the same rules like - i just hope it doesnt take the same thing

[Gemsy]

Hello Gemseh of Win,

Thanks for letting us know about tickets.

The sale of tickets on eBay is legal, however I appreciate your concerns
about touting.

I would like to briefly explain the difference between ticket touting
and the auction of tickets on eBay.

In the spirit of our worldwide community, when someone bids for an item
on eBay, they do so by their own choice. Every buyer can choose the
price they may be willing to pay and from what seller they prefer to
buy.

I know this may not have been the answer you were hoping for, but I hope
I've at least been able to explain things clearly.

Kind regards,

Susan Jacob
eBay Trust & Safety

[matt1il]

Hello Gemseh of Win,

Thanks for letting us know about tickets.

The sale of tickets on eBay is legal, however I appreciate your concerns
about touting.

I would like to briefly explain the difference between ticket touting
and the auction of tickets on eBay.

In the spirit of our worldwide community, when someone bids for an item
on eBay, they do so by their own choice. Every buyer can choose the
price they may be willing to pay and from what seller they prefer to
buy.

I know this may not have been the answer you were hoping for, but I hope
I've at least been able to explain things clearly.

Kind regards,

Susan Jacob
eBay Trust & Safety

Haha that's the loopiest of loopholes in the loopiest of universes ever!!!

So they're pretty much saying that they are just an advertising site that doesn't care what is advertised on it's site and it's up to users to sort out what's on it

There is no difference between that and touting btw, with touting you choose what price you are willing to go up to and if outside who you are willing to pay

[bILLOO]

Exactly! The only reason people buy from touts is that they have no other option.

When asked many make the excuse of 'oh I can't go now but I thought I'd stick 'em on eBay to see how much I could get for them'. Yeah right.

[matt1il]

Exactly! The only reason people buy from touts is that they have no other option.

When asked many make the excuse of 'oh I can't go now but I thought I'd stick 'em on eBay to see how much I could get for them'. Yeah right.

i hate it when i see that - especially when its from geniune ppl cos they just get snapped up by touts if theyre face value

i mean every band no has a fourm and altho most arent as good as he for stuff like that u can always make a thread offerin tickets at face value - ive needed to do this and got good responses back

[davetoms]

Nobody cares about people selling above face value

The promoters don't care. It helps build up the hype of "sold out" events
The ticket agencies don't care - they have their cut anyway
The bands don't care - or their record labels won't allow them to care
The fans don't care - given a choice a large number would rather pay a premium then not go (and that includes me I'm ashamed to say)
The Government doesn't care - nobody is injured or has died.

Sad but true.

[Gemsy]

It's bollocks really.

[matt1il]

Nobody cares about people selling above face value

The promoters don't care. It helps build up the hype of "sold out" events
The ticket agencies don't care - they have their cut anyway
The bands don't care - or their record labels won't allow them to care
The fans don't care - given a choice a large number would rather pay a premium then not go (and that includes me I'm ashamed to say)
The Government doesn't care - nobody is injured or has died.

Sad but true.

very true sadly

i have paid over the odds for certain gigs but wudnt for a normal album tour

[Gemsy]

Nobody cares about people selling above face value

The promoters don't care. It helps build up the hype of "sold out" events
The ticket agencies don't care - they have their cut anyway
The bands don't care - or their record labels won't allow them to care
The fans don't care - given a choice a large number would rather pay a premium then not go (and that includes me I'm ashamed to say)
The Government doesn't care - nobody is injured or has died.

Sad but true.
All too true. But - imho the bands and fans is where responsibility lies. It would be NICE if the bloody passionate fans would stop feeding the touts, but of course they're not going to. So it's up to the bands. As soon as they can (i.e. as soon as they can get out of contracts and have a big enough following that means they can go it alone Radiohead-style), they need to put on their own gigs and sort out their own fair systems. Like Glastonbury has, and like Trent has. Live music needs to be put back in the hands of the people who actually make the music and care about the music, and not those who make the money.

[leetroot]

it's disturbing that not only are tickets on sites like ebay (let's not forget it isn't the only one) but now the ticket agencies are getting in on the act with 'resale' sites of their own. the number of muse tickets plonked straight onto aloud's resale site is shameful.

it looks like i'm going to have to face my fear of flying to see muse this tour. i would rather spend the extra money going somewhere a bit exciting than lining some rotten f**khead's pocket.

[kazzie]

We totally failed to get 13th tickets...

will get some though.. always do.. somehow!

[E-Mused]

I got 4 seated tickets for the 13th at O2 arena when I asked for 4 standing (:@), would it be worth trying to swap these tickets on the day with a tout, possibly paying a bit more money to them aswell, what are the chances the tickets would be real etc.? thanks

[Mozza]

I got 4 seated tickets for the 13th at O2 arena when I asked for 4 standing (:@), would it be worth trying to swap these tickets on the day with a tout, possibly paying a bit more money to them aswell, what are the chances the tickets would be real etc.? thanks

I wouldn't

seating doesn't hinder your enjoyment of the gig

[Gemsy]

I got 4 seated tickets for the 13th at O2 arena when I asked for 4 standing (:@), would it be worth trying to swap these tickets on the day with a tout, possibly paying a bit more money to them aswell, what are the chances the tickets would be real etc.? thanks

No don't do it. :phu:
Swap them fairly, through here. Seating tickets =/= bad anyway, tbh.

[Emma_Muse]

there are people with tickets in hand for the 02 gigs on ebay, is that possible if they went down to the venue to get them? would they have printed them right there and then?

[sazzrah]

Ticketmaster have some new service now where you print your tickets yourself so maybe thats what they mean by "tickets in hand".

[005]

This is long but please read:

After the pre sale fiasco & previous experiences these days in buying tickets online I knew that the chances of getting tickets online were going to be as tough as putting an egg yolk back into it shell, so I felt that I would have a much better choice by actually going to the venue.

I checked twice over 2 days whether or not the O2 would be selling tickets or not & at what time as they usually open at midday, so it was confirmed they would start selling them at 9am, so I decided to go there.

I felt if I arrived at least a good hour or so before 9am I would have a decent chance, it turns out I got there at 7.55am & there were about only 15 people in the queue ahead of me, so I knew my chances now were very good.

But the story unfolds………

There were some proper Muse fans at the start of the queue about 4/5, (trust me I could tell) then the people behind were with families & kids, a bit odd & I spotted 1 tout already. Then there were 2 typical chav girls in front of me with their babies with them, smoking, on their iphone talking about all sorts of adventures & I knew something was wrong straight away, there not fans. I just knew they wouldn't know a guitar from a machine gun.

I was joined 10 mins in the queue later by 2 touts. It was so obvious we’ve all seen what they look like & know they all look the same, if people didn’t know touts have their own ‘language’ in how they communicate amongst one another. I pretended to be listening to my MP3 player but I heard it all, the touts who joined the queue were calling other touts to tell them how the queue was, now, the following will make many people including me furious & sick & I felt worse as I was there.

How The Touts Do It:

The touts behind me didn’t know even know Muse were playing on the 13th but were saying amongst each other ‘If you can’t get standing’ ‘Get Level 1’ now there was one familiar character who seem to know everyone in the queue (apart from the fans/me) who was going around telling his troops in what to buy etc

All the women in the queue ahead of me & probably a fair few behind me were in on it, what the touts do is get the women to join the queue early for them, then after a while the touts join them, then they tell their entourage in the queue in what to buy. I counted a good 15 from what I could see & I’m 6ft. The queue by 8.30am possibly had about 80/90 people.

They were even giving them phone calls/texts messages in what to say & the Box Office because they know its something these women don’t do often & they can’t afford to get it wrong, one of the women & blokes was repeating ‘6 standing Muse’ but morons you can only get 4!!!! Either way my rage was building through this whole time I waited. The more I saw them, the more I was swearing under the sun.

I hate to say it my friends but at least a good 60 standing tickets that I saw went into the hands of pure scum & evil, hence why tickets are in hand as I got mine. I don't know how many more fell into the wrong hands but they did.

As I left at about 9.10am & walked back to the station I gave the slime in front of me the dirtiest look possible & looked a few of them dead in the eye with pure hatred, as much as I was happy in getting tickets I was in pure rage & hate for them & sad for the fans who wanted to be there, if only measures were taken into stopping them buying them at the Box Office, many fans would have been better off! I mean, I'd give them a quick 2/3 question test at the box office just to be sure! I mean fans would queue early not women with kids.

If people didn’t even know me & they were Muse fans, bloody hell I’d say yea, join me in the queue!!! But the only way to beat them is to not buy them, it’s the only way we can stop this. I hate to say it but there were more touts in that queue than fans.

Thanks for reading

Mods/Admin can you leave this thread here for awhile then merge it with 'Advice' later, I'd like people to know/read this.

[jo-an]

Unfortunately this is quite common.
I've read these stories on many other bandforums.
Indeed, a trick question before buying tickets would be excellent. something like what was Muse's first album called or something like that.
Scum of the earth, touts are.
But as long as people buy tickets off them, be it on ebay or outside the venue on the day of the gig, the will be around.

[Melissaaa]

Makes me really angry to think of the people on here, genuine fans, that weren't able to get tickets. And yet there's these effing touts everywhere snapping up our tickets. I say our tickets, because as fans of the band, I see live shows almost as a thanks-for-the-support kind of thing. We support the band, really enjoy the shows, and aren't just out to make a profit off of the ticket sales.

Unfortunately, a lot of profit can be made from gigs, especially sold out ones. It's why I think eBay should be monitoring ticket sales, so that tickets can only be re-sold at the value they were bought at.

[005]

Ebay only act when it suits them ie Princess Diana's Tribute Concert in 2007 was prohibited...(Big Deal)

Remember Ebay make 10% profit now from each sale plus insertion fees where they apply its bucks to them big time, they won't clamp down cause it's raking in £££$$$ for them!

Morons!

[E-Mused]

I wouldn't

seating doesn't hinder your enjoyment of the gig

Lol, it shouldn't be so bad this time, as I'm sitting with friends rather than family, and I cn buy drinks by then :D

[The Dying~Atheist]

I wouldn't

seating doesn't hinder your enjoyment of the gig

Well I couldn't get a ticket but can't agree with that Mozza, I'm 45 but sitting at a gig would seriously hinder my enjoyment, I like to be where the action is because being in the crowd is pretty much what live music is about.
If I'm honest though sitting for a Muse gig would be far better than not going at all, which looks very probable at the moment.

[Vivlia]

Hey there!

I'll be coming to London from Athens, Greece (got a standing ticket for Thursday).
Anything I should know??? Like, what time I should be out there waiting or such?
I'll be traveling alone... (well, as far as I know at the moment).

[E-Mused]

Hey there!

I'll be coming to London from Athens, Greece (got a standing ticket for Thursday).
Anything I should know??? Like, what time I should be out there waiting or such?
I'll be traveling alone... (well, as far as I know at the moment).

well done getting a ticket btw! and thats dedication coming from greece!

what time to get there, i don't really have any experience of that muse-wise, but maybe get there an hour/hour and a half before doors open to get to the front? you'll probably be better off asking other people lol.

[Vivlia]

well done getting a ticket btw! and thats dedication coming from greece!
[QUOTE]

:party: :happy: :yesey:

[QUOTE=E-Mused;5929328]what time to get there, i don't really have any experience of that muse-wise, but maybe get there an hour/hour and a half before doors open to get to the front? you'll probably be better off asking other people lol.

thanks ayway, you're kind :) :kiss: :)

[Gemsy]

Thanks again, Gianni. Yes the key is NOT TO BUY from these scummers. No matter how desperate you are. And yep, bands need to do a Glastonbury/Trent and set up their own system to stop it from happening in the first place.

[Gemsy]

there are people with tickets in hand for the 02 gigs on ebay, is that possible if they went down to the venue to get them? would they have printed them right there and then?
Yeah, see the Story of the O2 Box Office thread - there was an open box office at the stadium. Wish I'd done that now too, and stinkpalmed a few touts.

[supermassivemuselover]

this is really annoying to say the least. Not living close to any of the venues i tried to buy online. i couldn't even get on the website till 10:30am and i'd been trying to get on since 8:50 am.
tickets that were £42 are now £190 on some websites. grrrrrrrr

[arkphonics]

That is an appalling story, but I'm sure it only counts for a small % of tickets bought by touts. The fact that a lot of good (Level 1) tickets end up on ebay when loads of us get "server busy" messages must mean that touts have a "back door" in to the ticket buying process. It stinks.

I agree - Do NOT BUY tickets from ebay. If we get any spare sell them on Musebay.

On the other hand how do we know touts arent buying them from musebay?

[Finlay]

this is really annoying to say the least. Not living close to any of the venues i tried to buy online. i couldn't even get on the website till 10:30am and i'd been trying to get on since 8:50 am.
tickets that were £42 are now £190 on some websites. grrrrrrrr

+ fucking 1.

Honest fans just can't get tickets. Trufax.

[Flynn]

That is an appalling story, but I'm sure it only counts for a small % of tickets bought by touts. The fact that a lot of good (Level 1) tickets end up on ebay when loads of us get "server busy" messages must mean that touts have a "back door" in to the ticket buying process. It stinks.

I agree - Do NOT BUY tickets from ebay. If we get any spare sell them on Musebay.

On the other hand how do we know touts arent buying them from musebay?

Because we have mods. If someone logs onto the board with something like MUSROCKFOREVERANDSHIT then its either a 13 year old/a tout.

[matt1il]

That is an appalling story, but I'm sure it only counts for a small % of tickets bought by touts. The fact that a lot of good (Level 1) tickets end up on ebay when loads of us get "server busy" messages must mean that touts have a "back door" in to the ticket buying process. It stinks.

I agree - Do NOT BUY tickets from ebay. If we get any spare sell them on Musebay.

On the other hand how do we know touts arent buying them from musebay?

cos if its musebay u can easily get a tout uninterested... meet at the gig? meet in person? talk to the regularly thru email/on here before you send everything as the tickets wont be around for a while

even just mentioning stuff like this can make touts just bored of waiting and give up on them

EDIT: but yeah sadly this is common at box offices - im pissed i didnt go down now a couple of hours early

[DeadKenny]

I got 4 seated tickets for the 13th at O2 arena when I asked for 4 standing (:@), would it be worth trying to swap these tickets on the day with a tout, possibly paying a bit more money to them aswell, what are the chances the tickets would be real etc.? thanks
Don't play their game!

Use the touts and you only make the situation worse. Besides, you are likely going to be swapping your genuine ticket for a fake one. If the tout seems pleased about the swap that'll be the giveaway.

If he's got better tickets and they're real, he'll probably want to charge a (large) fee for the swap.


Just swap here at no cost (except postage maybe).


First though, I'd keep checking for new standing tickets. New tickets come up a lot as people cancel, and they could spring up right up until November! Then you can sell the other tickets (at face value please).

Maybe try for standing on the 12th also.

Well I couldn't get a ticket but can't agree with that Mozza, I'm 45 but sitting at a gig would seriously hinder my enjoyment, I like to be where the action is because being in the crowd is pretty much what live music is about.
If I'm honest though sitting for a Muse gig would be far better than not going at all, which looks very probable at the moment.
I've only done 3 Muse gigs so far, but can assure you the seating areas can be just as much a crowd. In fact you'll be hard pressed to find anyone sitting anyway.

The only difference really is you're not getting crushed, you can't jump up and down like a loon, and you actually get to see the band and not 100s of heads in front of you;) (being not too tall makes that a problem for me).

[Vivlia]

@DeadKenny (or anyone who can help): hello :) so you think I'll be finding a ticket for friday as well? it'll be my first time at a muse live, and would prefer to attend both days since I'll be traveling all the way from here...

[matt1il]

Don't play their game!

Use the touts and you only make the situation worse. Besides, you are likely going to be swapping your genuine ticket for a fake one. If the tout seems pleased about the swap that'll be the giveaway.



it all depends how many dont sel before the gig - i mean ive seen gigs where touts are still walkin around offerin tickets and acceptin below face value prices cos they just want them off their hands - and whats better than makin a tout lose money

[bILLOO]

Muse fans who spot these touts in the queue should start talking to them about Muse. I'd love to see a tout sweat when being asked 'Did you find the TIRO shuffle funny?'.

[Problemfanatique]

Please people, don't buy from the touts. It's the only way we're going to beat them. Keep ringing up seetickets for cancellations and keep checking Musebay and sites like scarlet mist.

[Miss Blee]

That is an appalling story, but I'm sure it only counts for a small % of tickets bought by touts. The fact that a lot of good (Level 1) tickets end up on ebay when loads of us get "server busy" messages must mean that touts have a "back door" in to the ticket buying process. It stinks.

I agree - Do NOT BUY tickets from ebay. If we get any spare sell them on Musebay.

On the other hand how do we know touts arent buying them from musebay?

I would imagine that someone selling on Musebay would have the sense to check that the person they are selling to hasn't just joined the forum. Besides, I can't see that it would be worth a tout's while for so few tickets, really.

[*OoS*]

Someone give me a description of a tout and I'll go up to one on the day and pretend I don't know they're a tout and start spaffing about something like the time Matt did the shuffle. See if they try and sell me something :p

[Linn91]

Touts should rot in Azkaban!!:mad: They make me so angry! Can't anything be done? ... Thanks for writing the post, I had no idea it was that bad.

[futurophy]

This is long but please read:

After the pre sale fiasco & previous experiences these days in buying tickets online I knew that the chances of getting tickets online were going to be as tough as putting an egg yolk back into it shell, so I felt that I would have a much better choice by actually going to the venue.

I checked twice over 2 days whether or not the O2 would be selling tickets or not & at what time as they usually open at midday, so it was confirmed they would start selling them at 9am, so I decided to go there.

I felt if I arrived at least a good hour or so before 9am I would have a decent chance, it turns out I got there at 7.55am & there were about only 15 people in the queue ahead of me, so I knew my chances now were very good.

But the story unfolds………

There were some proper Muse fans at the start of the queue about 4/5, (trust me I could tell) then the people behind were with families & kids, a bit odd & I spotted 1 tout already. Then there were 2 typical chav girls in front of me with their babies with them, smoking, on their iphone talking about all sorts of adventures & I knew something was wrong straight away, there not fans. I just knew they wouldn't know a guitar from a machine gun.

I was joined 10 mins in the queue later by 2 touts. It was so obvious we’ve all seen what they look like & know they all look the same, if people didn’t know touts have their own ‘language’ in how they communicate amongst one another. I pretended to be listening to my MP3 player but I heard it all, the touts who joined the queue were calling other touts to tell them how the queue was, now, the following will make many people including me furious & sick & I felt worse as I was there.

How The Touts Do It:

The touts behind me didn’t know even know Muse were playing on the 13th but were saying amongst each other ‘If you can’t get standing’ ‘Get Level 1’ now there was one familiar character who seem to know everyone in the queue (apart from the fans/me) who was going around telling his troops in what to buy etc

All the women in the queue ahead of me & probably a fair few behind me were in on it, what the touts do is get the women to join the queue early for them, then after a while the touts join them, then they tell their entourage in the queue in what to buy. I counted a good 15 from what I could see & I’m 6ft. The queue by 8.30am possibly had about 80/90 people.

They were even giving them phone calls/texts messages in what to say & the Box Office because they know its something these women don’t do often & they can’t afford to get it wrong, one of the women & blokes was repeating ‘6 standing Muse’ but morons you can only get 4!!!! Either way my rage was building through this whole time I waited. The more I saw them, the more I was swearing under the sun.

I hate to say it my friends but at least a good 60 standing tickets that I saw went into the hands of pure scum & evil, hence why tickets are in hand as I got mine. I don't know how many more fell into the wrong hands but they did.

As I left at about 9.10am & walked back to the station I gave the slime in front of me the dirtiest look possible & looked a few of them dead in the eye with pure hatred, as much as I was happy in getting tickets I was in pure rage & hate for them & sad for the fans who wanted to be there, if only measures were taken into stopping them buying them at the Box Office, many fans would have been better off! I mean, I'd give them a quick 2/3 question test at the box office just to be sure! I mean fans would queue early not women with kids.

If people didn’t even know me & they were Muse fans, bloody hell I’d say yea, join me in the queue!!! But the only way to beat them is to not buy them, it’s the only way we can stop this. I hate to say it but there were more touts in that queue than fans.

Thanks for reading

Mods/Admin can you leave this thread here for awhile then merge it with 'Advice' later, I'd like people to know/read this.
>:( they sicken me.. ugh
i think they should make it illegal.. suprise all those douche bags on ebay selling them for hundreds and fakes... it's just disgusting.

[Antipathy]

Personally I think we should organise some attack on the touts nearer the time - esp on ebay.

Set up fake accounts, use expired cards or w.e you need to not mess up your own account and buy/put huge bids on thier tickets as near to the dates as possible and hold them up and not pay so by the time theyve put it back on its too late, they dont sell the tickets and they get put at a huge loss for the expense of nothing to us.

I'm sick of seeing how many people I know have missed out on tickets cause of these scum I think its about fucking time someone took revenge on them and put them out of pocket better so if it's coordinated.

I'd be up for it I don't know about anyone else.

[James.]

These same touts that were in the queue no doubt also had teams of people on computers buying tickets too.

[Jacky Boy]

I don't see why selling on football tickets is illegal but isn't for other sports or for music? it seem rediculous

[bILLOO]

I don't see why selling on football tickets is illegal but isn't for other sports or for music? it seem rediculous

Exactly. There isn't much difference... we're all going to a 'venue' to see something. The music industry needs to get its' finger out its' own arse & start taking action.

[brian27]

:facepalm:

http://www.play.com/Tickets/TicketsShow/4-/10287929/Muse/Product.html

[Laura..]

There was quite a few suspected touts at sheffield too.

[justino]

Obvious solution to me seems to have the purchaser named on the tickets and verified on entry to the gig - problem solved

[amne_siac]

Obvious solution to me seems to have the purchaser named on the tickets and verified on entry to the gig - problem solved
How would that work though? I used my mum's card (with her permission of course), and bought 3 tickets for me and two friends. Does that mean that we wouldn't get let in because none of us are my mum?

[justino]

How would that work though? I used my mum's card (with her permission of course), and bought 3 tickets for me and two friends. Does that mean that we wouldn't get let in because none of us are my mum?

You could put the attendee name on it - even if you used your Mum's card - just one more field to fill out on seetickets etc. They do this on certain theatre tickets, and I think Radiohead did it once too

...though i can see this creating even more problems - having the tout join you at the gig ;-)