How Hugh Manson wires Gibson style Killswitch??

[jeananto]

Hello,
Nobody could find the answer, so somebody knows it now??
It's a mystery....
On this picture we can see it's Gibson button 3 way .
But there is an other.....
http://pix.nofrag.com/4/c/6/0a0a8fa1d318d935692bd713cf5f3.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/4/c/6/0a0a8fa1d318d935692bd713cf5f3.html)

How can we wire that?? to make KIllswitch like Mattocaster ON/OFF/ON???

Some help?

[Phill]

There isn't a killswitch on the black manson. That's the pick up selector.

[Xut]

There isn't a killswitch on the black manson. That's the pick up selector.

haha nice one, epic phail xD
just like that joke that goes like "how do you get that backwards d??? It's called a b...."

[Samcoma]

Hello,
Nobody could find the answer, so somebody knows it now??
It's a mystery....
On this picture we can see it's Gibson button 3 way .
But there is an other.....
http://pix.nofrag.com/4/c/6/0a0a8fa1d318d935692bd713cf5f3.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/4/c/6/0a0a8fa1d318d935692bd713cf5f3.html)

How can we wire that?? to make KIllswitch like Mattocaster ON/OFF/ON???

Some help?
Contact Alex Barnett as he knows how to wire it in that way, if you're looking for schematics.
And yeah Phill's right on the Blackie there isn't a killswitch at all.

[hooglebug]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/hooglebug/killswitch.jpg

there you go

[jeananto]

Sorry but, my question is for killer like on the mirror.
Hooglebug, I don't understand your picture, I want a ON/OFF/ON.

[musecasters]

There isn't a killswitch on the black manson. That's the pick up selector.

i thought that, as they is not enough switches of the sustainer, fuzz factory, wah probe, selector & kill switch, but i have seen an old version of sing for absolution where he does use the kill switch. either that or he has two volume pots with one off for that part

[Funguy]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/hooglebug/killswitch.jpg

there you go

that might work but it's gotta be wired over the jack socket.
I'll give it a go when i've got the chance to.
only one way to find out.

Edit: might even be not soldering the middle lugs together. I'll try that first then the original way.

[hooglebug]

that works. iv done it. thats what mansons told me to do. that was the question. i answered it. so there hehe :p

Hooglebug, I don't understand your picture, I want a ON/OFF/ON

thats how a 3-way toggle looks from underneath. wire it like that and it will give you on/off/on

[Southpaw Syndrome]

i thought that, as they is not enough switches of the sustainer, fuzz factory, wah probe, selector & kill switch, but i have seen an old version of sing for absolution where he does use the kill switch. either that or he has two volume pots with one off for that part



I've always thought it was a normal toggle switch but I may be wrong too, actually while you're on the subject has anyone actually seen Matt use the FF on the guitar ? One of the few times I know of is this performance where he uses it briefly in the intro of Hysteria...

[tyechan]

any blackout video
any plug in baby video
any groove video

[Samcoma]

any blackout video
any plug in baby video
any groove video
Wrong about the groove.

[donbenjy]

that might work but it's gotta be wired over the jack socket.
I'll give it a go when i've got the chance to.
only one way to find out.

Edit: might even be not soldering the middle lugs together. I'll try that first then the original way.

If you didn't link the middle two together then how would that work? The principle is that you're shorting hot to ground ;)

@ the OP: wire the switch like that in parallel with the output jack (don't put it in series with anything :))

[Phill]

i thought that, as they is not enough switches of the sustainer, fuzz factory, wah probe, selector & kill switch, but i have seen an old version of sing for absolution where he does use the kill switch. either that or he has two volume pots with one off for that part

doesn't he wah probe it on the blackie for sing4 and toggle with the silver?

[jeananto]

Thank you very much Hooglebug.
I understand the picture now. You have the normal way: Hot to Jack. And you put a second hot way on killer. And middle position is the only one where earth touch the hot, so that cut.

Thanks

(sorry for mistakes I'm not English...)

[musecasters]

I've always thought it was a normal toggle switch but I may be wrong too, actually while you're on the subject has anyone actually seen Matt use the FF on the guitar ? One of the few times I know of is this performance where he uses it briefly in the intro of Hysteria...

i read in an interview that the delorean is satb & Comp, but blackie is gate & vol at the 2 exterior knobs

[musecasters]

doesn't he wah probe it on the blackie for sing4 and toggle with the silver?

yeah, but i swear i saw a vid with him useing the toogle as a kill switch....i'm on the case

[Phill]

i read in an interview that the delorean is satb & Comp, but blackie is gate & vol at the 2 exterior knobs

Thought that was the laser :D

[Raurie]

yeah, but i swear i saw a vid with him useing the toogle as a kill switch....i'm on the case

This the one?
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[Phill]

Ok, i'm proven wrong! :)

[kev]

i'm thinking of doing the same on a new guitar i'm thinking about assembling, it's perfectly feasable to have a gibson pickup selector that is neck/kill/bridge right? i got confused on wiring diagrams i dont understand the gibson pickup like the fender one :(

[musecasters]

Ok, i'm proven wrong! :)

cool, i thought i was going mad! if the switches are kill switch, pickup selector, 2 of the sustainer, and one each for the fuzz & wah probe, where is the one for the neck leds?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/musecasters/sexyblack7.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/musecasters/sexyblack1.jpg

[Esparoba1]

cool, i thought i was going mad! if the switches are kill switch, pickup selector, 2 of the sustainer, and one each for the fuzz & wah probe, where is the one for the neck leds?


Hmm maybe where the led switch is on your laser replica at the neck pocket at the back of the neck

[musecasters]

Hmm maybe where the led switch is on your laser replica at the neck pocket at the back of the neck

i found that got in the way, which is why mine has a push pull switch now (see sig) :)

is see no switch, tis a mystery
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/musecasters/sexyblack5.jpg

[Funguy]

If you didn't link the middle two together then how would that work? The principle is that you're shorting hot to ground ;)

@ the OP: wire the switch like that in parallel with the output jack (don't put it in series with anything :))

I use many different switches. must of got a bit mixed up.

[Tom!]

Anyone got any ideas how to wire a kill switch on/off/on with a 3 pole 6 lug DPDT switch? A diagram would be brilliant but an explanation would also be greatly appreciated.


On a side note: Does anyone know how to wire a strat so that with the flick of a switch (dptp preferably) I can get a combination of all three pickups on in series. I'm thinking this will produce a very hot sound (correct me if I'm wrong people).

[donbenjy]

killswitch with a regular switch (it can be SPDT, you don't need the other pole):

0 -hot
0
0-ground

wire that over the output as with the gibson stylee, and you're sorted :)

As for the strat - you'll only get a massive output if the switch has them all in series. in parellel you won't get a hotter sound, just all at once. iirc, I think most people (and Fender) usually have it to just activate the bridge pup and flick the selector to position 2 to get all the pickups. That's cool because you can get other combos like neck and bridge :)

[Tom!]

killswitch with a regular switch (it can be SPDT, you don't need the other pole):

0 -hot
0
0-ground

wire that over the output as with the gibson stylee, and you're sorted :)

As for the strat - you'll only get a massive output if the switch has them all in series. in parellel you won't get a hotter sound, just all at once. iirc, I think most people (and Fender) usually have it to just activate the bridge pup and flick the selector to position 2 to get all the pickups. That's cool because you can get other combos like neck and bridge :)

I've already got it modded with a push-pull bringing the bridge in in every combination, so I can already get NB and NMB however I'm after a bigger output without putting a humbucker in because I like the sound and wouldn't want to change it. I have seen mods which allow MB in series which apparently produces a hotter sound. My thinking was all pickups on in series (obviously hot output) which would be great for a cutting through the mix lead sound. Any ideas how to do this?

Also I don't think I'm understanding the over the output bit, can you explain a bit more. Sorry it's been a long day ;)

[donbenjy]

basically the easiest place to put the switch is in parallel with the output jack, but as long as you connect one side to something hot (after the volume and pickup selectors) and the other to ground you're set. Don't stick it in series with anything though, because it won't work ;)

I'm not sure that it's possible to get NMB with just one pull, regardless of the 5 way switch though... What about something like this:

5 way:

1-neck only
2-neck + mid (parallel)
3-neck + mid (series)
4-mid only
5-off (or bridge only, depending on the push/pull pot)

and then 2 push/pull pots, one to turn the bridge pickup on like you already have, and another to select whether it's in parallel or series?

This would let you have a full on NMB hot sound in series, but also all the traditional strat sounds and extras. Don't know if you might want something more interesting like a reverse phase somewhere as well? Another option (possibly - I haven't thought it through properly, but it should work) is to have a completely bog standard 5 way, and then three push/pulls which bring in N, M and B espectively, in series with whatever the 5 way is set to. That way you could get NB in series without the middle etc. To get NMB in series just pull out all 3 pots. This way probably has a few less usable sounds, like say NM in parallel with B in series - that'd probably give you a hot output, but NM wouldn't be very loud, so there wouldn't be much point (i think).

[Tom!]

basically the easiest place to put the switch is in parallel with the output jack, but as long as you connect one side to something hot (after the volume and pickup selectors) and the other to ground you're set. Don't stick it in series with anything though, because it won't work ;)

I'm not sure that it's possible to get NMB with just one pull, regardless of the 5 way switch though... What about something like this:

5 way:

1-neck only
2-neck + mid (parallel)
3-neck + mid (series)
4-mid only
5-off (or bridge only, depending on the push/pull pot)

and then 2 push/pull pots, one to turn the bridge pickup on like you already have, and another to select whether it's in parallel or series?

This would let you have a full on NMB hot sound in series, but also all the traditional strat sounds and extras. Don't know if you might want something more interesting like a reverse phase somewhere as well? Another option (possibly - I haven't thought it through properly, but it should work) is to have a completely bog standard 5 way, and then three push/pulls which bring in N, M and B espectively, in series with whatever the 5 way is set to. That way you could get NB in series without the middle etc. To get NMB in series just pull out all 3 pots. This way probably has a few less usable sounds, like say NM in parallel with B in series - that'd probably give you a hot output, but NM wouldn't be very loud, so there wouldn't be much point (i think).

5 way:

1-neck only
2-neck + mid (parallel)
3-neck + mid (series)
4-mid only
5-off (or bridge only, depending on the push/pull pot)

This would be brilliant, although I think I might change the push/pull to a normal switch, that way I can use my current push/pull as maybe a reverse phrase switch, that would be perfect.

However now thinking about it would this be possible.

DPDT bringing in the neck at all positions

1-off (or neck only, depending on the dpdt switch pot)
2-mid only
3-bridge + mid (series)
4-bridge + mid parallel.
5-bridge

and then using the push/pull to change the phase of the bridge, this way I can in theory have a 'humbucker mode' with bridge and mid in series with the bridge phase reversed and therefore hum cancelling. You will have to correct me if any of this is wrong. Anyway is there any chance of a wiring diagram showing me how to do this? I will be in your debt if you could do this for me ;)

[donbenjy]

the BM position will be hum cancelling anyway - unless you've changed out your pickups strats always have an RWRP mid so that the signal is out of phase already ;) The phase switch will be cool anyway though methinks :D I'll try to get it done later today then - second option yeah? Do you want the killswitch in too? and are you replacing a tone knob with a toggle, or drilling a new hole for the switch(es)?

[Tom!]

Yeah I'll have the kill switch also, I'll be drilling one new hole for the toggle to bring the neck in in all positions and another new hole for the kill switch and I'll be using my current tone push/pull as a phase switch. Thanks so much, I owe you a big favour after this :D

[donbenjy]

no problem, er did you want the neck to be in parallel all the time then? And do you want to keep your current 5 way? I'm struggling to work out how it's gonna work with the series/parallel switch right now, although I'll probably get it soon :)

[Tom!]

Yeah, neck in parallel all the time, and yes I'd like to keep the current switch, I hope I'm not being awkward ;)

[donbenjy]

no, it's cool now, I've nearly got it done :) edit: not quite sure what's gonna happen regarding tone controls - any preferences?

[Tom!]

Brilliant, just need to get those switches ordered now and I'm good to go. Thanks again :D

[donbenjy]

ok, there's a little change though...due to the fact that the 5 way strat switch is really a 3 way make-before-break with extra notches, I couldn't do the switch quite the way you wanted, but there's a few options:

bridge
BM (parallel)
mid
mid (again)
BM (series)

Obviously that's not that good, but the only other options are to have it with all the bridge and mids reversed (so double bridge option), or to have position 4 as an absolute killswitch. That means the neck will be dead as well :( I'm trying to think of a way to push the neck pickup in so that it would just be the neck, but there aren't enough switches :LOL: If you had the neck in series all the time, then it wouldn't be a problem and it would effectively be this:

bridge
BM (parallel)
mid
off (or neck only, depending on the push/pull)
BM(series)

None of them are really nice though. If you bought a 5 way super switch, then we could do it, or alternatively, you might wanna try an old 3 way style one (and do the oldschool balancing thing to get the parallel position), or a 4 way tele style which would work perfectly, but obviously neither of them will allow you to use just the neck pickup on its own.

[Tom!]

Hmm If I get a 5-way superswitch also what could you come up with?

[donbenjy]

exactly what you wanted on the last page :D There are even more options too if you wanted anything else!

[Tom!]

I'll get one of those as the same time as the switches then, no prob.

[donbenjy]

coolio! schem coming up in < 2 hours depending on how bored I get ;)

[Tom!]

Brillianty :D

[Phill]

coolio! schem coming up in < 2 hours depending on how bored I get ;)

Not bored enough? I obviously am...

[donbenjy]

yeah I realized I had a social life too! ;) I'll see what happens later today...

[Tom!]

I've been away for a few days anyway so no rush :)

[Tom!]

donbenjy: Any news on this? I should be ordering the switches later today so they should arrive tomorrow :D

[tango15mk]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/hooglebug/killswitch.jpg

there you go

Also, Just had a word with an engineer at work who has told me that with this wiring on one of the gibson style 3 way switches he thinks that the middle position would be live and the up and down position would be dead (no signal) can anyone clarify?

Thanks!

[Phill]

No, the opposite.