Rachmaninov and Muse?

[Finlay]

I noticed a while ago that in Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor, Op. 18 I: Moderato by Rachmaninov at 1:44 - 1:54 it sounded exactly like in Space Demetia at 2:32 (in the chorus) to 2:48.

And in an interview with Matt, he said that he's an ape or something compared to Rachmaninov and how Rachmaninov is so great (he is).

So are there any more Muse songs with Rachmaninov inspired parts?

[Clunge]

Matt steals pretty much 100% of anything remotely classical in Muse's music from other composers.

Blackout, B&H, Space Dementia, Sunburn, etc - all inspired by other pieces. Matt generally takes an idea from a piece and adapts it into a new piece.

[Mobytoss]

I noticed a while ago that in Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor, Op. 18 I: Moderato by Rachmaninov at 1:44 - 1:54 it sounded exactly like in Space Demetia at 2:32 (in the chorus) to 2:48.

And in an interview with Matt, he said that he's an ape or something compared to Rachmaninov and how Rachmaninov is so great (he is).

So are there any more Muse songs with Rachmaninov inspired parts?

Yeah there's plenty, from memory, the major quoting/referencing Rachmaninov ones are Space Dementia, Megalomania, Ruled By Secrecy and Butterflies And Hurricanes, with bits of Tchaikovsky and Schubert here and there too

There are a few live performances with exact or elaborated performances of Rachmaninov at the beginning too; the most readily available, Screenager on Hullabaloo, has an abridged Prelude from Op.2 at the start

[Finlay]

Thanks guys this is bery interesting. :)

[binarysonnets]

Rachmaninov had great big hands.

http://home.earthlink.net/~sedinger/rachmaninovhands.jpg

:yesey:

To answer your question, I believe Butterflies and hurricanes is another one.

[*~SugarSnow~*]

I love Rachmaninov - and it is quite apparent in Matt's piano parts that he does too!

[Finlay]

Yepp Matt sure likes Rachmaninov :D

I wonder if anyone will be bothered to do what I did but with every song, let me explain.
Find the Rachmaninov song and the time in that song where there's a bit that sounds like that in a Muse song and write it down, it'd be cool.

Also, HAIL IN LONDON!! ARGH HAIL! ICE EVERYWHERE!

[crabfish]

I noticed a while ago that in Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor, Op. 18 I: Moderato by Rachmaninov at 1:44 - 1:54 it sounded exactly like in Space Demetia at 2:32 (in the chorus) to 2:48.

And in an interview with Matt, he said that he's an ape or something compared to Rachmaninov and how Rachmaninov is so great (he is).

So are there any more Muse songs with Rachmaninov inspired parts?

Isn't Space Dementia just a rocked up version of the said Piano Concerto No. 2? The chord progressions throughout the song are identical. He plays the intro of the said piece as an outro to one of the tracks on HAARP... forgive me my memory sucks, although he says "cheers" straight after it. Which song am I thinking of?

[Finlay]

Isn't Space Dementia just a rocked up version of the said Piano Concerto No. 2? The chord progressions throughout the song are identical. He plays the intro of the said piece as an outro to one of the tracks on HAARP... forgive me my memory sucks, although he says "cheers" straight after it. Which song am I thinking of?

Hoodoo? My memory sucks ass
also how dare you have apicture off Rush in a muse messageboard

[pubicmage]

Isn't Space Dementia just a rocked up version of the said Piano Concerto No. 2? The chord progressions throughout the song are identical. He plays the intro of the said piece as an outro to one of the tracks on HAARP... forgive me my memory sucks, although he says "cheers" straight after it. Which song am I thinking of?

They are definitely not identical! Just look at this:

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/compositions_b/rapc2_1a.pdf

It's based around chords i, iv and v with plenty of diminished fifths and some flattened root notes (there's a Cb a few bars into it!).

The progression in Space Dementia is something like this (accidentals omitted): i - ii - III - iv - v

And Space Dementia is in E minor. Rachmaninoff's concerto is in C minor. The only part lifted by Matt is the string motif starting somewhere near the sixth page of that PDF.

[crabfish]

They are definitely not identical! Just look at this:

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/compositions_b/rapc2_1a.pdf

It's based around chords i, iv and v with plenty of diminished fifths and some flattened root notes (there's a Cb a few bars into it!).

The progression in Space Dementia is something like this (accidentals omitted): i - ii - III - iv - v

And Space Dementia is in E minor. Rachmaninoff's concerto is in C minor. The only part lifted by Matt is the string motif starting somewhere near the sixth page of that PDF.

I don't think we're talking about what he ripped off 'technically'. We are talking about a Matt listening to the piece, picking the chords out by ear, and transposing the progressions to suit his vocal range. It's not IDENTICAL but it IS blatantly stolen.

[crabfish]

Hoodoo? My memory sucks ass
also how dare you have apicture off Rush in a muse messageboard

Yes it's Hoodoo... I got back to you on the avatar thing in the other post!

[Finlay]

They are definitely not identical! Just look at this:

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/compositions_b/rapc2_1a.pdf

It's based around chords i, iv and v with plenty of diminished fifths and some flattened root notes (there's a Cb a few bars into it!).

The progression in Space Dementia is something like this (accidentals omitted): i - ii - III - iv - v

And Space Dementia is in E minor. Rachmaninoff's concerto is in C minor. The only part lifted by Matt is the string motif starting somewhere near the sixth page of that PDF.

i agree with crabfish, matt's got a good ear and i think he thought that it would sound good in a song.

[Mobytoss]

If you wanna see some big Rachmaninov chord progression, check out Megalomania. Compare the first (bass) notes in the piano runs of the first movement of the concerto to the bass guitar and organ first (bass) notes, they're exactly the same; similar thing goes for the progression of Ruled By Secrecy compared to the later parts of the first movement

[crabfish]

If you wanna see some big Rachmaninov chord progression, check out Megalomania. Compare the first (bass) notes in the piano runs of the first movement of the concerto to the bass guitar and organ first (bass) notes, they're exactly the same; similar thing goes for the progression of Ruled By Secrecy compared to the later parts of the first movement

Has anyone seen the film Candyman by the way? The 'Candyman theme' is basically New Born. It's the exact same chord progression. I wonder if Matt has see that one.......... :rolleyes: Whenever I watch the film I sing New Born over the top.

The trouble with music is that chord progressions are recycled on a daily basis. If you want to write a song with 'epic' overtones (megalomania, ruled by secracy, etc) then you'll go for a classic chord progression, which will inevitably end up sounding like something else. In Matt's case, any classical stuff will immediately resemble Rachmaninoff.

[muse46]

Has anyone seen the film Candyman by the way? The 'Candyman theme' is basically New Born. It's the exact same chord progression. I wonder if Matt has see that one.......... :rolleyes: Whenever I watch the film I sing New Born over the top.

The trouble with music is that chord progressions are recycled on a daily basis. If you want to write a song with 'epic' overtones (megalomania, ruled by secracy, etc) then you'll go for a classic chord progression, which will inevitably end up sounding like something else. In Matt's case, any classical stuff will immediately resemble Rachmaninoff.

Unfortunately, I can't really recall the Candyman theme off-the-top of my head (my memory's going, I reckon! :p), but in terms of chord progressions, New Born's riff and chorus are based around a harmonic progression that Baroque-era composers loved to use to really make things exciting, a circle of fifths (I think it's Em - Am - D - G - C, though I'm probably wrong!) I think that's probably what makes New Born such an incredibly powerful piece of music.

[Finlay]

Unfortunately, I can't really recall the Candyman theme off-the-top of my head (my memory's going, I reckon! :p), but in terms of chord progressions, New Born's riff and chorus are based around a harmonic progression that Baroque-era composers loved to use to really make things exciting, a circle of fifths (I think it's Em - Am - D - G - C, though I'm probably wrong!) I think that's probably what makes New Born such an incredibly powerful piece of music.

if you change Em to E then add a Bm7 at the end...you've got Unintended!

[crabfish]

Unfortunately, I can't really recall the Candyman theme off-the-top of my head (my memory's going, I reckon! :p), but in terms of chord progressions, New Born's riff and chorus are based around a harmonic progression that Baroque-era composers loved to use to really make things exciting, a circle of fifths (I think it's Em - Am - D - G - C, though I'm probably wrong!) I think that's probably what makes New Born such an incredibly powerful piece of music.

It *is* one hell of a chord progression. Plus it was what Matt did with it that made it so powerful!

[Mobytoss]

Has anyone seen the film Candyman by the way? The 'Candyman theme' is basically New Born. It's the exact same chord progression. I wonder if Matt has see that one.......... :rolleyes: Whenever I watch the film I sing New Born over the top.

The trouble with music is that chord progressions are recycled on a daily basis. If you want to write a song with 'epic' overtones (megalomania, ruled by secracy, etc) then you'll go for a classic chord progression, which will inevitably end up sounding like something else. In Matt's case, any classical stuff will immediately resemble Rachmaninoff.

I can imagine it's not too hard to have the same progression though, it's just a rising circle of fifths :D

Edit: lol, just saw muse46 had posted the same thing :(

[pubicmage]

I don't think we're talking about what he ripped off 'technically'. We are talking about a Matt listening to the piece, picking the chords out by ear, and transposing the progressions to suit his vocal range. It's not IDENTICAL but it IS blatantly stolen.

But what's your point? He didn't pick the chords about because the concerto does not have a i-ii-III-iv-v progression. The influence is obviously there with the broken chords being played across hands and all, but it really is not the same chord progression! It's not a transposition of Rachmaninoff, unless you want to scan through the entire score to try and find the same progression to prove me wrong.

[pubicmage]

Unfortunately, I can't really recall the Candyman theme off-the-top of my head (my memory's going, I reckon! :p), but in terms of chord progressions, New Born's riff and chorus are based around a harmonic progression that Baroque-era composers loved to use to really make things exciting, a circle of fifths (I think it's Em - Am - D - G - C, though I'm probably wrong!) I think that's probably what makes New Born such an incredibly powerful piece of music.

A circle of fifths using that root would be Em - Bm - F#dim - C - G - D - Am.

The one you've posted is going up in fourths, but if you retrograde it they become fifths!

[crabfish]

But what's your point? He didn't pick the chords about because the concerto does not have a i-ii-III-iv-v progression. The influence is obviously there with the broken chords being played across hands and all, but it really is not the same chord progression! It's not a transposition of Rachmaninoff, unless you want to scan through the entire score to try and find the same progression to prove me wrong.

I know it isn't the SAME chord progression. I'm saying that the piece contains the SAME 'chords'. I mentioned the transposition in order to explain why it wasn't in the same key. And I wasn't really talking about the cross hand technique either. It's not THAT important to me mate. :LOL:

And as for my point -

http://www.pointofpines.com/pointofpines-map.gif

[pubicmage]

That would be a valid point if it wasn't for the fact that it doesn't contain the same chords.;)

[crabfish]

That would be a valid point if it wasn't for the fact that it doesn't contain the same chords.;)

I know I'm rubbish... :(

[muse46]

A circle of fifths using that root would be Em - Bm - F#dim - C - G - D - Am.

The one you've posted is going up in fourths, but if you retrograde it they become fifths!

Yep, you're absolutely right, my fault. But, from what I was taught in music harmony, I always thought that there were two ways of looking at a circle of fifths? Either ascending fourths or descending fifths (Em - Am - D - G - C), because of the way it's like a series of perfect cadences (Em resolves to Am, D resolves to G and so on).

Say in, erm, Bach's Brandenburg Concerto No.2 , there's quite a few circle of fifths, one of which is Cm7 - F7 - B flat 7 - E flat 7 - A7 - D, which, if you imagine playing it on a piano, could be read as either ascending fourths or descending fifths. And yep, if you retrograde it, it's definitely in fifths.

Sorry, I'm really not much good at explaining myself!

Though I may very well be wrong! :LOL:

[Finlay]

This is getting too complicated! :(

[pubicmage]

Yep, you're absolutely right, my fault. But, from what I was taught in music harmony, I always thought that there were two ways of looking at a circle of fifths? Either ascending fourths or descending fifths (Em - Am - D - G - C), because of the way it's like a series of perfect cadences (Em resolves to Am, D resolves to G and so on).

Say in, erm, Bach's Brandenburg Concerto No.2 , there's quite a few circle of fifths, one of which is Cm7 - F7 - B flat 7 - E flat 7 - A7 - D, which, if you imagine playing it on a piano, could be read as either ascending fourths or descending fifths. And yep, if you retrograde it, it's definitely in fifths.

Sorry, I'm really not much good at explaining myself!

Though I may very well be wrong! :LOL:

No, no, you're right. I always think about it in terms of I - V rather than V - I because the diagrams that teachers hand out tend to be written that way!

I'm actually studying the second Brandenburg Concerto at the moment (that trumpet is so good) and remember discussing the circle-of-fifth movements. It's one of the only pieces by Bach (Baroque music in general, really) that I actually like.

[Marvolo]

Yepp Matt sure likes Rachmaninov :D

I wonder if anyone will be bothered to do what I did but with every song, let me explain.
Find the Rachmaninov song and the time in that song where there's a bit that sounds like that in a Muse song and write it down, it'd be cool.

Also, HAIL IN LONDON!! ARGH HAIL! ICE EVERYWHERE!

:stunned:

A couple of seconds after I read that I looked out my window to see a rain/hail shower start full on.

[slipperypoo]

Whoever mentioned Candyman.......I tried singing Newborn over it....without success. Don't get it. The Candyman theme is in C minor for a start....it uses a different chord structure...:erm:

[crabfish]

Whoever mentioned Candyman.......I tried singing Newborn over it....without success. Don't get it. The Candyman theme is in C minor for a start....it uses a different chord structure...:erm:

Eventually I'll get round to sampling it and I'll upload it. :)

[slipperypoo]

Well, I have the soundtrack....which one do you mean? I just tried it with 'Music Box'.

[crabfish]

Well, I have the soundtrack....which one do you mean? I just tried it with 'Music Box'.

I don't know what it's called. I just know the tune. :$

[slipperypoo]

Ah. Well, go on itunes or youtube something lol.

[crabfish]

Ah. Well, go on itunes or youtube something lol.

Right i'll get back to you tomorrow, just about to finish work! I've got it on DVD somewhere!

One thing I do know is that it isn't in the same key...

Crabfish will return.

[slipperypoo]

*Holds breath*

[RequiemForADream412]

I was listening to Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 1, and there's a part in there that sounds exactly like the "and make us meaningless again" part in Space Dementia...

[pubicmage]

I was listening to Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 1, and there's a part in there that sounds exactly like the "and make us meaningless again" part in Space Dementia...

That's the second concerto.

[RequiemForADream412]

That's the second concerto.

http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=52719&highlight=rachmaninoff&page=60

Scroll down a bit. I've only just started getting into Rachmaninoff, so sorry if I'm wrong. I'm just going by what she (MrsMatthewBellamy) said. :)

[Mobytoss]

I wish people'd spell it 'Rachmaninov' :LOL:

[muse46]

I wish people'd spell it 'Rachmaninov' :LOL:

To the best of my knowledge, both ways of spelling it are correct. I believe it's something to do with the way in which Russian translates into English. But please correct me if I'm wrong.

No, no, you're right. I always think about it in terms of I - V rather than V - I because the diagrams that teachers hand out tend to be written that way!

I'm actually studying the second Brandenburg Concerto at the moment (that trumpet is so good) and remember discussing the circle-of-fifth movements. It's one of the only pieces by Bach (Baroque music in general, really) that I actually like.

Ah right, thanks for confirming that, because I had a sneaking suspicion I was going to make a public idiot of myself again! I can really sympathise, because I'm still trying to get my head around them (being pretty thick doesn't really help!). As it happens, I've been studying Brandenburg too (you're right, that trumpet is amazing). I'd be shot for saying this by my music teachers, but like yourself, I really don't like Bach (I just find it all a bit... clinical and, dare I say it, boring) but I really like the Brandenburg. I think there's a circle-of-fifths somewhere in that Haydn Fifths Quartet, too, if I remember rightly. The joys of A-Level Music, eh?! :p

Now if all Bach sounded like Take A Bow, then... :D

[Mobytoss]

To the best of my knowledge, both ways of spelling it are correct. I believe it's something to do with the way in which Russian translates into English. But please correct me if I'm wrong.


Yeah, there is no officially correct way, but the sound is more like 'V' than 'FF', as well as being a single letter in the Russian alphabet, so I like to think that the V way I learnt originally is correct, and I get quite picky about these matters of spellings :LOL:

[bellamyspiano]

I noticed a while ago that in Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor, Op. 18 I: Moderato by Rachmaninov at 1:44 - 1:54 it sounded exactly like in Space Demetia at 2:32 (in the chorus) to 2:48.

And in an interview with Matt, he said that he's an ape or something compared to Rachmaninov and how Rachmaninov is so great (he is).

So are there any more Muse songs with Rachmaninov inspired parts?

Yeah I noticed that. Exactly the same. I love it. :)

[RequiemForADream412]

That's the second concerto.

http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=52719&highlight=rachmaninoff&page=60

Scroll down a bit. I've only just started getting into Rachmaninoff, so sorry if I'm wrong. I'm just going by what she (MrsMatthewBellamy) said. :)

Oops. I am wrong. :$ It is the second concerto. Sorry 'bout that. :erm:

[binarysonnets]

I wish people'd spell it 'Rachmaninov' :LOL:

mm when people spell it "rachmaninoff" I always think of it as an alternative to "piss off."

[pubicmage]

Ah right, thanks for confirming that, because I had a sneaking suspicion I was going to make a public idiot of myself again! I can really sympathise, because I'm still trying to get my head around them (being pretty thick doesn't really help!). As it happens, I've been studying Brandenburg too (you're right, that trumpet is amazing). I'd be shot for saying this by my music teachers, but like yourself, I really don't like Bach (I just find it all a bit... clinical and, dare I say it, boring) but I really like the Brandenburg. I think there's a circle-of-fifths somewhere in that Haydn Fifths Quartet, too, if I remember rightly. The joys of A-Level Music, eh?! :p

Now if all Bach sounded like Take A Bow, then... :D

I haven't started studying the Haydn quartet yet. In fact, I haven't even heard it, but it's in a minor key so I'll probably find it tolerable. I just wish that I could do a solo performance instead of ensemble because it's impossible to find band scores for pieces that I actually want to play!

Yeah, there is no officially correct way, but the sound is more like 'V' than 'FF', as well as being a single letter in the Russian alphabet, so I like to think that the V way I learnt originally is correct, and I get quite picky about these matters of spellings :LOL:

The composer himself always spelt it with a 'ff' rather than a 'v'.

[Mobytoss]

I haven't started studying the Haydn quartet yet. In fact, I haven't even heard it, but it's in a minor key so I'll probably find it tolerable. I just wish that I could do a solo performance instead of ensemble because it's impossible to find band scores for pieces that I actually want to play!



The composer himself always spelt it with a 'ff' rather than a 'v'.

That doesn't necessarily make it correct, else Tchaikovsky'd have double FF too :LOL:

[Finlay]

I was listening to Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 1, and there's a part in there that sounds exactly like the "and make us meaningless again" part in Space Dementia...

EXACTLY!! THAT WAS MY POINT AT THE START OF THE THREAD!!! D'OH!

[crabfish]

That doesn't necessarily make it correct, else Tchaikovsky'd have double FF too :LOL:

If it's Russian, it's officially a 'V'.

[Finlay]

I wonder if he thought in numbers like me too? When I play a piece on the violin I think in the number of fingers I need to put on and open strings:

121ga1232121a123e2e123....

[pedrogzappa]

I was listening to Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 1, and there's a part in there that sounds exactly like the "and make us meaningless again" part in Space Dementia...

It's not Concerto No. 1 its Concerto No. 2 :)

btw last night I watched HAARP DVD and I noticed if i'm not in error, that Matt plays the 2 inicial chords of Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 2 :D

[crabfish]

It's not Concerto No. 1 its Concerto No. 2 :)

btw last night I watched HAARP DVD and I noticed if i'm not in error, that Matt plays the 2 inicial chords of Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 2 :D

He actually plays 3, then an augmented fourth. I mentioned this earlier in the thread like.

[pedrogzappa]

He actually plays 3, then an augmented fourth. I mentioned this earlier in the thread like.

I only spotted the begging of Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 2...:happy:

[crabfish]

I only spotted the begging of Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 2...:happy:

Sorry I meant he plays the first 3 chords, and augments (or something) the fourth chord. I'm not a musician so I'm not sure what I'm talking about. :$

[pedrogzappa]

Sorry I meant he plays the first 3 chords, and augments (or something) the fourth chord. I'm not a musician so I'm not sure what I'm talking about. :$

I am :happy: but I have to see that part again... we are talking of the same part right? end of Hoodoo??
I don't know (yet) the entire DVD from the begging to the end so I might be wrong... :p

[pedrogzappa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHmpAIWTwrI

I'm almost 100% sure those are the initial chords of Concerto No.2 :)

btw listen to the modified chords he does... he plays them for a long time live, when I listened to then live a 1 year ago I didn't like them, but now I simply love them :p They create a atmosphere much more adequated to the song. :D

EDIT: someone tell me how to embed a video here... :S

[pubicmage]

That doesn't necessarily make it correct, else Tchaikovsky'd have double FF too :LOL:

Oh well. 'Rachmaninoff' looks much better therefore I shall use it.

[crabfish]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHmpAIWTwrI

I'm almost 100% sure those are the initial chords of Concerto No.2 :)

btw listen to the modified chords he does... he plays them for a long time live, when I listened to then live a 1 year ago I didn't like them, but now I simply love them :p They create a atmosphere much more adequated to the song. :D

EDIT: someone tell me how to embed a video here... :S

Yeah those are the same chords, the fourth (last) chord he plays is definitely a variation.

[Finlay]

we get the picture

[pedrogzappa]

Yeah those are the same chords, the fourth (last) chord he plays is definitely a variation.

looks like it... :happy: that chord sequence is one of the coolest things on the DVD... apart from Stockholm Syndrome's Riffs :D

[laztozia]

looks like it... :happy: that chord sequence is one of the coolest things on the DVD... apart from Stockholm Syndrome's Riffs :D

I was totally gutted when I saw that bit! One of my songs is based around those 4 chords. looks like it's going to have be scrapped! :LOL:

[Finlay]

looks like it... :happy: that chord sequence is one of the coolest things on the DVD... apart from Stockholm Syndrome's Riffs :D

i'm playing them on my guitar right now! :D:D

[pedrogzappa]

i'm playing them on my guitar right now! :D:D

Improv is cool to play too! :D

The only new riff to me on the entire DVD was the last "demented"riff on SS...:)

[Finlay]

Improv is cool to play too! :D

The only new riff to me on the entire DVD was the last "demented"riff on SS...:)

what's improv, i've heard of it but..

link!!!

[Finlay]

I've WANTED THE TAB FOR THAT IMPROV FOR AGES!! PLEASE!

[milkybar=]]

The piano solo to butterflies and hurricanes is really rachmaninov [sp?] esque. If you listen to any rachmaninov, the whole arpeggio style chords are really in Butterflies And Hurricanes.

[Mobytoss]

;4158787']The piano solo to butterflies and hurricanes is really rachmaninov [sp?] esque. If you listen to any rachmaninov, the whole arpeggio style chords are really in Butterflies And Hurricanes.

The strings in the cadenza have a near-exact augmented quote of the theme of the 3rd mvt. of the Concerto No. 2

[Debi]

I can hear the Plug In Baby riff in Piano concerto No.1 in f sharp minor, Op.1, 2nd mvt (andante) at around 2.54 to 3.05.

[Ben Muse]

Seems like i need to do a bit of searching on this Rachmaninov bloke. Very interesting.

[Mobytoss]

I can hear the Plug In Baby riff in Piano concerto No.1 in f sharp minor, Op.1, 2nd mvt (andante) at around 2.54 to 3.05.

I can't quite find it, could you make a clip of the exact bit? :(
I always assumed he'd based it more off Bach's Toccata and Fugue in Dm so it'd be quite interesting to find that it was actually Rachmaninov too :D

I found another one in OoS which was really obscure but I can't remember where it is exactly. It makes me wonder if the entire album is based on various bits of Rachmaninov... :eek:

[Debi]

I can't quite find it, could you make a clip of the exact bit? :(
I always assumed he'd based it more off Bach's Toccata and Fugue in Dm so it'd be quite interesting to find that it was actually Rachmaninov too :D

I found another one in OoS which was really obscure but I can't remember where it is exactly. It makes me wonder if the entire album is based on various bits of Rachmaninov... :eek:

No idea how to take clips, sorry, but it's there! Around 2.24 of this vid. (Ends on 2.47)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s81kevjSjZY

And you're right, I am starting to think that maybe OoS was based on his work. It's probably what makes it such a great album.

[ThunderHorse]

Music Degree, Much?

[recentlyentered]

Hey guys, I'm just resurrecting this thread cos I thought some of you might be interested in this article I wrote about Muse and Rachmaninoff.

<Symphony in J: Muse tracks use Rach (http://symphonyinj.blogspot.com/2009/04/muse-tracks-use-rach.html)>

Hope you enjoy it! Even if you already know about the connections, I go a bit deeper into the analysis so hopefully you'll still find it interesting. If you guys like it, I might write a sequel about more of Muse's classical influences (like a certain Chopin nocturne...).

(Sorry if this seems spammy.)

[ChanceToBeHeard]

BUMP
Just wanted to say that that article was really kickass and insightful. It was just what I was looking for as far as Muse/Rachmaninov comparisons go :)