Rage Against The Machine

[Audioslave Inc]

Wow 4 whole pages of others bands and no thread about one of the greatest rock bands ever (fusion sure but rock as hell too !) : RATM

I ve just bought and watched the DVD "Live At The Grand Olympic Auditorium"(Los Angeles) and it reminded me how great this band was and especially live .

They were totally electric, innovative and powerful .

Tom Morello is probably the best guitarist alive right now and Jimi Hendrix is surely proud of a student of him like Tommy .

Also we all know the influence Zach, Tom, Brad and Tim had on a little U.K band from Devon with songs like "Agitated" "Ashamed" or "Hyper Music" clearly influenced by the Ragian s sound .

As for me, my fave RATM s album is the first one, full of strong and innovative songs such as Bullet In Your Head, Freedom , Killing In A Name, Wake Up or Know Your Enemy .

Also the basslines are wonderful and meshing exceptionnally with Morello s sound and the drumms are terrific .
Not forgetting Zach s insane flow (the only rapper i can stand and appreciate) which also mesh greatly with the "rock" s feeling of the rythmic section .

What s about U ?

[Britrock]

Possibly my favourite band of all time. A great band but so much more at the same time. Tom Morello is one of the most original sounding guitarists ever and the whole live act is great, the chemistry is there, even though they never really practiced together.

I agree on the DVD of the final performance, but the DNC gig is the best part of that DVD.

[Audioslave Inc]

Possibly my favourite band of all time. A great band but so much more at the same time. Tom Morello is one of the most original sounding guitarists ever and the whole live act is great, the chemistry is there, even though they never really practiced together.

I agree on the DVD of the final performance, but the DNC gig is the best part of that DVD.

Yes and i think that s also one reason i m so much into Muse too .

I mean Matt B is obviously heavily influenced by Tommy M and it shows .

As for the DVD i have to say i prefer the real concert, just because you have all the great songs like Bullet In The Head or Born Of A Broken Man (Wake Up is probably the only classic s missing) .

Seems we re the only RATM s addicts here :o

[Larsen B]

i was gonna buy a boxset the other day of RATM, The Battle of LA, and another one that i cant remember right now, it was 20.99 except i couldnt afford to part with my cash :(

[Britrock]

i was gonna buy a boxset the other day of RATM, The Battle of LA, and another one that i cant remember right now, it was 20.99 except i couldnt afford to part with my cash :(

Evil Empire's the other one, possibly the weakest of the 4 albums in my opinion. It just doesn't seem to jump out at you like the others (especially RATM and Battle of LA).

[rageagainstmachine]

yeah, another rage fan. rawk

[Tedward Bear]

They most proberly are the best band in the world, the new DVD is great!

[adamirl]

theyre my favourite band by far, most powerful political messages ive heard sung, o and morello is a fricken genious

know your enemy is the best song you will ever hear

<edit> o yea, my mate got to see them befroe they split up, im sooooooo damn jealous :( <edit>

[Sid]

Rage Fucking Rock Like Gods!!!!!!!!



i Looooveeeee Them!!!! :D :D :D

Fuck You I Wont Do What'cha Tell Me


Them And Muse Joint First In Best Bands Of My World

[Audioslave Inc]

They most proberly are the best band in the world, the new DVD is great!

I'm currently watching it on my pc (now playing - Sleep Now In The Fire).

Damn i love how they were moving on stage, simple electrifying and powerful !

Zach was a total psychopath and he did know how to make a crowd really HOT !

I need to see those guys live again !

Probably my best live experience ever alongside Muse

[=Chris=]

Damn, for a band that clearly uses alot of RATM riffs there hasn't been very much response to this thread on the muse board :(

if you like muse you should like RATM surely, its like the same band but not lol

RATM ROCK :D Audioslave need to do some work lol

[Sid]

i love it on the battle of mexico dvd, tom morellos guide to mexico - so short yet so funny :D

[Sid]

Damn, for a band that clearly uses alot of RATM riffs there hasn't been very much response to this thread on the muse board :(

if you like muse you should like RATM surely, its like the same band but not lol

RATM ROCK :D Audioslave need to do some work lol


yeah i know, i made a RATM thread a couple of boards back and it hardly ever got responces, only from the same people.- i suppose it makes it more cosy :D

[Brigitta]

i have Evil Empire but never listen to it *feels ashamed*

[Sid]

i have Evil Empire but never listen to it *feels ashamed*


thats the weaker of the albums, still good, raw sound.
self titled is beyond words and battle of la is supurb. i like renegade, some great hooks on it

[Audioslave Inc]

Damn, for a band that clearly uses alot of RATM riffs there hasn't been very much response to this thread on the muse board :(

if you like muse you should like RATM surely, its like the same band but not lol

RATM ROCK :D Audioslave need to do some work lol

Bah Audioslave rocks too and they rule !

Anyway i can see why here few people are into RATM : Zach s voice mainly (and probably the lyrics and political aspect of it too) .

The main link between the two bands is the rythmic and overall sound of the instruments (minus the voice of course) but since the voice is a huge factor on Muse s appeal (mainly for the female) i can understand why they re so few RATM s fans here .

Anyway i m one of them and proud of it ! Shot Back !

[Sid]

[QUOTE=Audioslave Inc]
the voice is a huge factor on Muse s appeal (mainly for the female) [QUOTE]

dear, dear , dear :rolleyes:

[Audioslave Inc]

[QUOTE=Audioslave Inc]
the voice is a huge factor on Muse s appeal (mainly for the female) [QUOTE]

dear, dear , dear :rolleyes:

Don t agree ?

I do think Matt s voice is a reason why so many people are attracted to it .

I heavily doubted people are into Muse for the riffs at first (some are sure but not the majority) .

Hell, i know lots of people who can t distinguish a bass line from a guitar s one :rolleyes:

Speaking of the bass, Tim is is really impressive on the last DVD and there s great shots of him .

[Sid]

matts voice is what makes him a lot more attractive then he is, but to say its only girls who like his voice more is pretty much crap.

also i can distinguish a bassline and a guitar rift, jus so you know :D

[eclectic]

I'm really looking forward to Zack's solo material coming out this year, hopefully. He's been away far too long.

[Audioslave Inc]

matts voice is what makes him a lot more attractive then he is, but to say its only girls who like his voice more is pretty much crap

You didn t understand my statement then .

I was saying it s the voice which is attracting girls on Muse more than the rythmic section .

I didn t say his voice was only attracting girls (i m a male and i m fond of his voice haha :D)

also i can distinguish a bassline and a guitar rift, jus so you know :D


I've never doubted that (since you re an RATM 's addict anyway :D)

[Britrock]

I'm really looking forward to Zack's solo material coming out this year, hopefully. He's been away far too long.

I've got two of his new tracks, the one with DJ Shadow, with the Morello-esque DJ work, and one with KRS1 and The Last Emperor called C.I.A (Criminals in Action). Both are pretty cool tunes, although if you're a rocker, beware, they are 110% hip-hop.

EDIT: Only the one with DJ Shadow is new apparently. The other one is old (my brother downloaded them, and he informed me when I saw him).

[Sid]

You didn t understand my statement then .

I was saying it s the voice which is attracting girls on Muse more than the rythmic section .

I didn t say his voice was only attracting girls (i m a male and i m fond of his voice haha :D)




I've never doubted that (since you re an RATM 's addict anyway :D)

actually yeah i see what you mean now. but it doesnt apply to me :)
to me matts voice and the actual music are the same in greatness. i think it was definitly the music which attracted me to muse first tho- then i noeticed the great voice, i think that was it anyways- so long ago i cant remember.

[eclectic]

[QUOTE=Britrock]I've got two of his new tracks, the one with DJ Shadow, with the Morello-esque DJ work, and one with KRS1 and The Last Emperor called C.I.A (Criminals in Action). Both are pretty cool tunes, although if you're a rocker, beware, they are 110% hip-hop.

I've heard " March of Death " with DJ shadow and thought it was pretty great. Heard a bit of "Centre of the storm" with Roni size as well but i'm not sure if that's a new track and that sounds amazing as well

[Sid]

i keep meaning to download some of Zachs solo stuff but i keep forgetting and then when i do try my pc decides to download extra slow.

but ive also been putting it off coz if it was crap id be really disapointed, and i dont wanna be disapointed and Mr DelaRocha :D

[steelrain]

ratm are great

i like audioslave too but i want some more stuff, the first album was good but i would have liked more rock, having said that 'i am the highway' is great

[brainbored]

Evil Empire's the other one, possibly the weakest of the 4 albums in my opinion. It just doesn't seem to jump out at you like the others (especially RATM and Battle of LA).
I completly disagree, evil empires is my favourite Rage album. I love Snakecharmer, Down Rodeo,. . .and generally the whole album.. . .tis great

[steelrain]

It was the first rage album i got and is my favourite

[Sid]

It was the first rage album i got and is my favourite


all their albums are great, evil empire is severely understated. renegade is top. self titled blows mu mind

[steelrain]

all their albums are great, evil empire is severely understated. renegade is top. self titled blows mu mindso true.
after hearing my first rage song i bought all their albums within the space of a fortnight. I just have to get their live album now and the dvd, cant wait till i get some money!
Also, hopefully there will be some audioslave stuff soon *crosses fingers*

[Sid]

so true.
after hearing my first rage song i bought all their albums within the space of a fortnight. I just have to get their live album now and the dvd, cant wait till i get some money!
Also, hopefully there will be some audioslave stuff soon *crosses fingers*


not jus one dvd tho, 3 dvds :D

[steelrain]

not jus one dvd tho, 3 dvds :Di know :) i already got the mexico one and the live performances one (reading, pink pop etc) i just need the olympia cd and dvd to complete my collection

[Sid]

i know :) i already got the mexico one and the live performances one (reading, pink pop etc) i just need the olympia cd and dvd to complete my collection


i have the mexico one and thats it. so good. i ove tom morellos guide to mexico, very funny :D

[steelrain]

i have the mexico one and thats it. so good. i ove tom morellos guide to mexico, very funny :Dyeah when he's taking all the pictures, and the one of the cat and 'bunnies' ! i like he bit where they are in the car and brads talking about how they havent played a show for a while and tom butts in and goes 'cut cut, you might wannna re-do that bit'

[Sid]

yeah when he's taking all the pictures, and the one of the cat and 'bunnies' ! i like he bit where they are in the car and brads talking about how they havent played a show for a while and tom butts in and goes 'cut cut, you might wannna re-do that bit'


:LOL: yeah it so good. i love the fact that during their spare time tom decides to jus piss around taking photgraphs and climbing "off-road" as he puts it while visiting monuments, and Zach decideds to go serious and visit some political book writer[cant rememeber his name or who he was]

[steelrain]

:LOL: yeah it so good. i love the fact that during their spare time tom decides to jus piss around taking photgraphs and climbing "off-road" as he puts it while visiting monuments, and Zach decideds to go serious and visit some political book writer[cant rememeber his name or who he was]
yeah i thought that was funny too, the only thing is taht there doesnt seem to be much of brad or tom, i know they dont say much but it would have been nice to have an equal balance of footage of all the members.



Also, am i the only one who gets a bit sad near the end of the dvd where they show i think its brad and zach hugging (in a manly way not a gay way), i just reminds me of what we have lost, i got into them after they split up so i guess i didnt 'lose' them but i wish they were still around.................a dvd is great but its just not the same as being in the crowd, you know?

[pluk]

one of my all time favourite bands!

i pretty much taught myself to play bass by playing along to their first two albums... been a fan ever since the Freedom video premiered on MTV, which was ten years ago i guess

edit: stupid speeling (sic.) mistake :mad:

[Acrobatic Muser]

Favourite album has to be the Self-Titled "91 album. Wake Up is their strongest track, but The Battle of Los Angeles has to have some of their best guitar riffs.

[darthmax]

matts voice is what makes him a lot more attractive then he is, but to say its only girls who like his voice more is pretty much crap.

also i can distinguish a bassline and a guitar rift, jus so you know :D

Shame you cant distinguish between a guitar RIFF and a large rocky canyon.

The first album was the best, by far. I think they went a bit downhill after that, i mean bulls on parade is really good, but in general, their other stuff sounds a bit contrived, like tom just found a cool new 'thing' with the guitar, and they made a song about it... their first album was incredible though, stuff like know your enemy, wakeup, killing in the head, bullet in the name etc...

[Audioslave Inc]

The first album was the best, by far. I think they went a bit downhill after that, i mean bulls on parade is really good, but in general, their other stuff sounds a bit contrived, like tom just found a cool new 'thing' with the guitar, and they made a song about it... their first album was incredible though, stuff like know your enemy, wakeup, killing in the head, bullet in the name etc...

I agree about it, thought Sleep Now In The Fire would have been a great song to put into that one too .

U didn t named Freedom which is a terrific closer to any gig of them (watch the lives DVD as a proof )

Anyway a question for all of u , RATM s addicts :

What is Tommy M 's greatest solo ever ?

My choice is Freedom s one

[christoph]

one of my all time favourite bands too.

first song i heard by them was in wrestling, they did the song for Degeneration-X. loved them ever since.

i always found that Take the Power Back was their perfect song. awesome bass line, and a solo that actually fit with the song, and didn't sound forced. lyrics were great, and was overall, an amazing song. they didn't really play it live, and it's not on the new dvd which i was dissapointed about. they only played it on the intro to the Democratic gig.

they don't play the song on any of their dvds thinking about it! bloody hell.

anyway, ace band, wish they could one day create something again, maybe it will be as masterful as some of zachs new solo stuff, especially the song We Want it All!

good things to come from the main man himself.

[Stu]

first song i heard by them was in wrestling, they did the song for Degeneration-X. loved them ever since.

what was the song title? :confused:

[Audioslave Inc]

Strange, i m an old die hard wrestling fan and i ve never heard a song from RATM on any fed :eek: :confused:

Anyway the first album has the best lines for me

[ReinierK]

Their first CD was def. the best.
I really dig Morello's playing, it's simply so innovative.

He is right to the point, no bullshit and has these brilliant solo's once in a while at the right place. This guy has got the ears for music!

He also has been able to make some of the weirdest noises on his guitar... The whole strumming-bheind-the-nut is really his trademark, alongside with the kill switch...

Man, too bad they split up. I don't really like Audioslave, because the singer just sucks in my opinion, but that's a matter of taste.

Rock on RATM!! :)

[Hypermusician]

Hey good to see a few rage fans here. I'm the guitarist in a rage tribute band down here in exeter, come and see us play some time!

Anyway, the self-titled has to be their best in my opinion. Though renegades is surprisingly good. I love their cover of maggie's farm by bob dylan.

[Bewilders]

Tom Morello Is Genius!!

The End...... :d

[christoph]

just look on the p2p programs for it. i just searched Degneration X, and it came up.

you know the song, definately.

"are you ready, they think they can tell us what to do, you think you can tell us what to wear, you think that you're better, well you better get ready, to bow to the masters...break it down"

etc etc, then zach screams DEGENERATION X...DEGENERATION.

you've definately heard it.

[Sid]

i havent been in here in aggggeeesss. :D

Rage still rock!!! :D


Morello is a god, Zach is a genius, brad is great and tim jus tim :D

[oxymoron]

Yeah.... i found the Rage Against The Machine thread, hehe....
They ROCK! :D :cool:

[Silvercup]

yeah when he's taking all the pictures, and the one of the cat and 'bunnies' ! i like he bit where they are in the car and brads talking about how they havent played a show for a while and tom butts in and goes 'cut cut, you might wannna re-do that bit'


i was amazed when Brad started talking................kinda high pitched sorta voice...........

[Silvercup]

Tom Morello Is Genius!!

The End...... :d


YES..........

[darthmax]

Does anyone know the difference between the two Grand Olympic Auditorium dvds? One of them says contains random footage, i was wondering if it had the actual concert as well. Which ones better?

[Rasputin]

I've only heard a few songs by RATM, but judging them mainly on Killing In The Name Of - since everyone I know seems to think it's shithot - they're quite astonishingly overrated. Killing In The Name Of has a decent tune, but the lyrics are uninspired to say the least. "Oh", they must have been thinking, "I can't really think of any defining anti-establishment lyrics, so how about we just repeat the same lines over and over again for 5 minutes?"
"Yeah!", pipes up another band member, "and we could close it with a load of shouting 'FUCK YOU, I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME', so we sound like spoilt 12-year-olds!"
"Great thinking - we're gonna go far with this one."
Jesus.

[Britrock]

That song is amazing for it's power and the simplicity of the lyrics. It's the ultimate anti-establishment song because EVERYONE can relate to it. It doesn't take a degree to take it apart and understand every line. It can be used anywhere you feel pissed off.

Now if you go and buy/download/get a hold of the rest of the album and the lyrics, you will see that Zach de la Rocha is one of the best political lyricists possibly ever.

[moocow]

Know you enemy!

That’s a firkin’ ch00n :p

I need RATM albums.

[Rasputin]

That song is amazing for it's power and the simplicity of the lyrics. It's the ultimate anti-establishment song because EVERYONE can relate to it. It doesn't take a degree to take it apart and understand every line. It can be used anywhere you feel pissed off.

Now if you go and buy/download/get a hold of the rest of the album and the lyrics, you will see that Zach de la Rocha is one of the best political lyricists possibly ever.
The best political lyricists ever do NOT stoop to saying "And now you do what they told ya" 25 times and "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" 16 times and then rounding off with a politically-charged "Motherfucker!". Hell, even Billy Bragg doesn't do that.
You said research some more RATM lyrics from that self-titled album, so here you go:
"Motherfuck Uncle Sam" - whoa, DEEP......
"You know they went after King when he spoke out on Vietnam; He turned the power to the have-nots and then came the shot." - hmm, yes, very political - except that Martin Luther King was actually shot by a crazed racist and NOT the FBI or any other Government force
"Ya know they murdered X and tried to blame it on Islam" - it WAS Islam, you idiot: he was shot by a member of his own activist group, NOT the Federal Government
"How long? Not long, cause what you reap is what you sow" - nice Shakespearean line, but stolen from Bob Dylan, naturally
"Burn, burn, yes ya gonna burn" [16 times] - again, deep. Nice repetition too - saves us from even worse lyrics (is that possible?)

The best thing RATM ever did was provide the title of an album by the Manic Street Preachers - and Nicky Wire is a better political lyricist than Zach De La Rocha could ever hope to be. Richey Edwards was better than both put together, obviously, but he was less political so less relevant here.

If you want some really good political lyrics, listen to some early Bob Dylan tracks. The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll, The Times They Are A-Changin', or if you like angry stuff, then Masters Of War. Now THERE'S a man worth listening to.

[Ullalume]

all this bob dylan talk makes me want to listen to A hard rain's a-gonna fall.........but i can't find it!!!
no!

[Rasputin]

all this bob dylan talk makes me want to listen to A hard rain's a-gonna fall.........but i can't find it!!!
no!
It's OK: breathe deeply and find any album of his to play while you look.

[Ullalume]

i was planning to put bringing it all back home on but the blonde on blonde disk was in it...so thats whats on instead.

[Superfuzz_Bigmuff]

The best political lyricists ever do NOT stoop to saying "And now you do what they told ya" 25 times and "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" 16 times and then rounding off with a politically-charged "Motherfucker!". Hell, even Billy Bragg doesn't do that.
You said research some more RATM lyrics from that self-titled album, so here you go:
"Motherfuck Uncle Sam" - whoa, DEEP......
"You know they went after King when he spoke out on Vietnam; He turned the power to the have-nots and then came the shot." - hmm, yes, very political - except that Martin Luther King was actually shot by a crazed racist and NOT the FBI or any other Government force
"Ya know they murdered X and tried to blame it on Islam" - it WAS Islam, you idiot: he was shot by a member of his own activist group, NOT the Federal Government
"How long? Not long, cause what you reap is what you sow" - nice Shakespearean line, but stolen from Bob Dylan, naturally
"Burn, burn, yes ya gonna burn" [16 times] - again, deep. Nice repetition too - saves us from even worse lyrics (is that possible?)

The best thing RATM ever did was provide the title of an album by the Manic Street Preachers - and Nicky Wire is a better political lyricist than Zach De La Rocha could ever hope to be. Richey Edwards was better than both put together, obviously, but he was less political so less relevant here.

If you want some really good political lyrics, listen to some early Bob Dylan tracks. The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll, The Times They Are A-Changin', or if you like angry stuff, then Masters Of War. Now THERE'S a man worth listening to.

Whoaaaaa, bitch. Lay the fuck off Billy Bragg.

[RadioBread]

there is a reason the lyrics are repeated, there is absolutly no way you can miss what he is saying because he repats it over and over agin. by the end of the verso you know that the line is "some of those who work forces are the ones that burn crosses". rage are one of the best and most influencal 90s bands, without them we'd have no muse

[Wowee Zowee]

i saw ratm at reading 2000.

they were a class band....not sure what albums my favourite though.

[Truth_and_Smiles]

Bold stuff is my comments on you're comments- Truth_and_Smiles

The best political lyricists ever do NOT stoop to saying "And now you do what they told ya" 25 times and "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" 16 times and then rounding off with a politically-charged "Motherfucker!". Hell, even Billy Bragg doesn't do that.

Don't be silly... He's not stooping at all by repeating simple phrases. It's just a different technique from what you apparently refer. The words he repeats and the way he delivers them, fit the song perfectly, making it a classic. If you inserted more poetic lyrics into the song, it would just sound shit.
You said research some more RATM lyrics from that self-titled album, so here you go:
"Motherfuck Uncle Sam" - whoa, DEEP......

Picking out 3 words proves nothing. You could say- "Arrest this man''- Radiohead, and criticise it for not being deep, but that takes it completely out of the context of the rest of the great lyrics.

"You know they went after King when he spoke out on Vietnam; He turned the power to the have-nots and then came the shot." - hmm, yes, very political - except that Martin Luther King was actually shot by a crazed racist and NOT the FBI or any other Government force
"Ya know they murdered X and tried to blame it on Islam" - it WAS Islam, you idiot: he was shot by a member of his own activist group, NOT the Federal Government

I imagine there are conspiracy theories and the like that think otherwise to what you say. Just because you disagree with the lyrics doesn't make them poor.
"How long? Not long, cause what you reap is what you sow" - nice Shakespearean line, but stolen from Bob Dylan, naturally

But doesn't that mean Dylan stole it from Shakespeare?
"Burn, burn, yes ya gonna burn" [16 times] - again, deep. Nice repetition too - saves us from even worse lyrics (is that possible?)


Again, it fits the song perfectly, and I can't think of a superior replacement lyric to convey the same level of anger etc.
The best thing RATM ever did was provide the title of an album by the Manic Street Preachers - and Nicky Wire is a better political lyricist than Zach De La Rocha could ever hope to be. Richey Edwards was better than both put together, obviously, but he was less political so less relevant here.

I'm really not a great Manic's fan, but I'm pretty sure that Rage Against the Machine's message will be remembered for MUCH longer then the Manics, which makes me think their lyrics do the job better.
If you want some really good political lyrics, listen to some early Bob Dylan tracks. The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll, The Times They Are A-Changin', or if you like angry stuff, then Masters Of War. Now THERE'S a man worth listening to.


Bob Dylan is generally accepted as the best song writer of all time, so it's hardly a reasonable comparison. It's like saying ''why bother listening to Muse's guitar riffs, Hendrix is much better!!!!'', which is obviously stupid. I've never heard of Masters of War, probably because the lyrics and instrumentation don't fit together very well. But if I'm wrong, please give me a link so I can hear it.

[Callum]

I have to admit, RATM are very good. I enjoy playing pass along to their songs. (well.. I try) :rolleyes:

[Rasputin]

Thanks for actually replying in an easy-to-read way and with arguments rather than just "WOW, RATM FUCKING ROCK!" However....

But doesn't that mean Dylan stole it from Shakespeare?
No, you misunderstand - I mean Shakespeare-esque, not actually by Shakespeare. That RATM bit is almost exactly like a Dylan lyric, but I can't remember the exact wording, so I won't put it here for fear of contradiction.
Don't be silly... He's not stooping at all by repeating simple phrases. It's just a different technique from what you apparently refer. The words he repeats and the way he delivers them, fit the song perfectly, making it a classic. If you inserted more poetic lyrics into the song, it would just sound shit.
I just think repetition is a pretty poor way of trying to get a message across. Lots of people do it - even Dylan - but not very effectively.
Picking out 3 words proves nothing. You could say- "Arrest this man''- Radiohead, and criticise it for not being deep, but that takes it completely out of the context of the rest of the great lyrics.
I thought "Motherfuck Uncle Sam" summarised most of the song pretty effectively; plus picking out a Radiohead comparison doesn't help 'cos I fucking hate them :D
I imagine there are conspiracy theories and the like that think otherwise to what you say. Just because you disagree with the lyrics doesn't make them poor.
Maybe - but it still sounds like they're trying a bit too hard to be controversial.
I'm really not a great Manic's fan, but I'm pretty sure that Rage Against the Machine's message will be remembered for MUCH longer then the Manics, which makes me think their lyrics do the job better.
If they are then that's a shame.

Masters Of War is a phenomenally good anti-war/anti-establishment song. It's definitely the angriest song he's ever done (he was only 21 at the time so we can forgive him for that) 'cos he usually stays fairly aloof, but it's just fantastic. Next time I can be bothered I'll transcript the lyrics up here.

[Truth_and_Smiles]

I just think repetition is a pretty poor way of trying to get a message across. Lots of people do it - even Dylan - but not very effectively.


I still think that it is an appropriate and highly effective technique when used in the way that RATM do, which (from watching live footage) builds up an incredible mood and atmosphere. On the other hand I completely agree with you in some situations; e.g 7 minute Oasis songs where they seem to endlessly repeat 1 chorus...

I thought "Motherfuck Uncle Sam" summarised most of the song pretty effectively; plus picking out a Radiohead comparison doesn't help 'cos I fucking hate them :D

Oh, well Radiohead are probably my favourite band, so I guess we probably shouldn't go down this road :p

Masters Of War is a phenomenally good anti-war/anti-establishment song. It's definitely the angriest song he's ever done (he was only 21 at the time so we can forgive him for that) 'cos he usually stays fairly aloof, but it's just fantastic. Next time I can be bothered I'll transcript the lyrics up here.

I'll download it when I get a chance and see what I think of it. Cheers for a decent discussion :)

[Rasputin]

I still think that it is an appropriate and highly effective technique when used in the way that RATM do, which (from watching live footage) builds up an incredible mood and atmosphere. On the other hand I completely agree with you in some situations; e.g 7 minute Oasis songs where they seem to endlessly repeat 1 chorus...



Oh, well Radiohead are probably my favourite band, so I guess we probably shouldn't go down this road :p



I'll download it when I get a chance and see what I think of it. Cheers for a decent discussion :)
No, thank you. This is Masters Of War (he's not usually this vitriolic in his writing). Very powerful:

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

[DJ Stay]

OHHH, a Rage thread. One of my favorite bands ever. The album with the best lyrics would have to be their self titled album. Every song on that cd is powerful in its own way.

[Rasputin]

OHHH, a Rage thread. One of my favorite bands ever. The album with the best lyrics would have to be their self titled album. Every song on that cd is powerful in its own way.
*smashes own head on keyboard*

[Superfuzz_Bigmuff]

*smashes own head on keyboard*

:LOL:

Listen to Billy Bragg instead. :LOL:

[Sam]

Favourite songs? Anyone else attempted to learn all the lyrics to songs and then speak them slowly in a soft british accent just for effect?
Some of the best lyrics ever written too.

[Sam]

I've only heard a few songs by RATM, but judging them mainly on Killing In The Name Of - since everyone I know seems to think it's shithot - they're quite astonishingly overrated. Killing In The Name Of has a decent tune, but the lyrics are uninspired to say the least. "Oh", they must have been thinking, "I can't really think of any defining anti-establishment lyrics, so how about we just repeat the same lines over and over again for 5 minutes?"
"Yeah!", pipes up another band member, "and we could close it with a load of shouting 'FUCK YOU, I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME', so we sound like spoilt 12-year-olds!"
"Great thinking - we're gonna go far with this one."
Jesus.
Right chill, you know what its like when people only know one song, just like "TIRO", imagine if thats what you knew of Muse, or if you had only heard PLug IN baby?
And yeah, its not really any kind of mature statement to shout "fuck you i wont do what you tell me", i can appreciate that, but its still fun to shout along with it, and you really dont have to give a flying fuck about the message.
I mean, i got a RATM t shirt, made in el salvador, they have ended up exploiting poor brothers that they sung about and were so sickened for. So, take that lyrics as a bit of fun, its angryness in its simplest form. Its at least a nice respite from constant love and relationship whinging.

[buji]

Some of the best lyrics ever written too.

And yeah, its not really any kind of mature statement to shout "fuck you i wont do what you tell me", i can appreciate that, but its still fun to shout along with it, and you really dont have to give a flying fuck about the message.

Err you contradict yourself with the lyrics statement.

Anyways, I love RATM just cos it gets me so angry, the constant repeating of words really sturs you up, saying that I dont agree with most of the lyrics and just like screaming along to it too!

I dont think RATM lyrics are great but just look at bands like muse /led zeppelin/queen, they have some poor arse lyrics but it doesnt really make the music any worse. Though this is different to rapping about politics.. hmm :confused: ... still think RATM are great. :unsure: :cool:

[Stu]

Got Renegades out of the library this week! :D

Its so funky! :happy:
Its the only RATM I hadn't heard in full.
Its my 2nd fave Rage album now, self-titled being numero uno.

Kick Out The Jams, Maggie's Farm, Renegades of Funk and Street Fighting Man are my faves off Renegades.

[Invisible Ink]

Got Renegades out of the library this week! :D



Thats where i got mine from. Either s/t or Battle of Los Angeles is my fave album.

[Tywyllwch]

s/t or Evil Empire are my two faves. Evil Empire's very underrated

[andrzej]

Evil Empire is my favorite, even though I didnt like it the first time I heard it. Thing is the other two are so brilliantly immediate that you get tired of them. Evil Empire is subtle. The production is a little less abrasive too, which I kinda like...

[christoph]

were they anarchists?

[Gemsy]

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[Bewilders]

I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage


GEMSEH SPAMMING.... :ohmy: :ohmy:

and austria were like WTF

[Kazuya vs Ummagumma]

I just remember how great RATM are.

Winamp says I haven't played Wake Up for 5 months :eek:

[Wowee Zowee]

I just remember how great RATM are.

Winamp says I haven't played Wake Up for 5 months :eek:
i started listening to Battle of L.A lastnight...and thought how great they were. all the guitar sounds like helicopters and machine guns....and then the drums acting as an explosion and the vocals being some speech...ive thought about this too much. :stunned:

[Johanne28]

I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage I Love Rage
:LOL: Me too ...

[Wowee Zowee]

Bombtrack the acoustic verison is awesome.

[RadioBread]

i started listening to Battle of L.A lastnight...and thought how great they were. all the guitar sounds like helicopters and machine guns....and then the drums acting as an explosion and the vocals being some speech...ive thought about this too much. :stunned:

yeh the start of born a brokern man sounds like everything is gonna break, i love it

[soumya86]

Renegades is my favorite album. Their cover of Eric B and Rakim's Microphone Fiend is amazing, oh and Cypress Hill's 'Kill a man' is just wow. Their debut album is just as good.

[Beddo]

*goes for sympathy*

I never saw Rage live :(

*changes the subject but still feels like his heart is wiping a tear away from it's ... err ... heart eye ??? hmmmm .... anyhoo*

My fave track at the mo is Ashes In The Fall - when that really low fat bass comes in with "This Is The New Sound!"

*the little heart starts it's long recovery to happiness and a smile breaks out across his hearty face at the thought of some fat Rage bass*

[christoph]

You've just got me listening to Rage again. Haven't in SO long. Gonna have a good ol' sing a long to Testify!

[Gemsy]

*dances to Testify*
*in my head*
*lol*
I'm so glad I got my car stereo back. Driving without Rage = :'(

[soumya86]

WAKE UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP PPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry i just had to scream that cos tis an awesome song.

[Beast Love]

*dances to Testify*
*in my head*
*lol*
I'm so glad I got my car stereo back. Driving without Rage = :'(

The only reason I'd ever want a car is to play music really loudly...

[valnik89]

I can understand why some thinks that "Evil Empire" is their worst album, still I don't agree. You just got to love "Bulls on Parade".

[GorkerMorker]

Well, it is their worst album for me, somehow the songs on there more look like a collection of individual sounds then a real coherent song.

[mr.jingles]

Kudos to RATM for being the most hypocritical band ever.

As far as I'm concerned they achieved the complete opossite of the political opinions expressed on their songs. By being signed to Sony, one of 5 major record labels, they helped the corporate machine to become ever wealthier and powerful than before. Big labels certainly don't give a shit what kind of crap they put on a record as long as it sells.

Aside from that, the whole incident at the MTV made them a complete utter joke. Throwing a childish tantrum for losing an award to Limp Bizkit is just funny coming from a band who appers to be anti mainstream, and yet MTV is the absolute main definition of mainstream. Bad enough is the fact that they actually showed up at an MTV Award ceremony.

The break up of RATM was indeed one of the best things that ever happened to music. Tom Morello was the only good thing RATM had, so at least he's now playing with a good band.

[destructiveaesthetic]

I don't care if they're hypocrites...they got me politically active.

When I met Tom (!!!) he came up to me rather, polite and attentive, and listened to me rambling loads of omg's and 'dude...I so did an 18 page paper on Rage in high school...' and me acting all fangirly (which doesn't happen. I wasn't like that any other time, not even with Muse).

Did Zach ever release his solo stuff? I want to hear it.

[Bradass]

http://www.ocweekly.com/music/music/zack-is-back/26288/

[Clunge]

I don't give one crap about their politics.

It's all about the awesomeness of the music :happy: .

*Moshes*

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

I don't give one crap about their politics.

It's all about the awesomeness of the music :happy: .

*Moshes*

damn fucking right :yesey:


i listen to music for awesome sound, not meaning or politics or any other pretentious bullshit that isn't sound and therefore not music.

[Jase]

For a start, their politics is complete bollocks...


Bloody good band though.

[mr.jingles]

I don't give one crap about their politics.

It's all about the awesomeness of the music :happy: .

*Moshes*

I wish there was anything good to say about the music. Well, Tom Morello... but that's pretty much it.

[Bewilders]

http://www.ocweekly.com/music/music/zack-is-back/26288/
That Chey Guevara stack is awesome!

[Clunge]

I'm a fag, I'm a fag, I'm a fag, I'm a fag, I'm a fag, etc
:) .

RATM win at music.

[GorkerMorker]

I'm a fag, I'm a fag, I'm a fag, I'm a fag, I'm a fag, etc.

Zach was the only good thing in that band, damn could that guy get angry:happy:

Anyways, Audioslave is bollocks.

[pubicmage]

I decided to give these another chance so decided to listen to their first album. It's totally ace so far!:happy:

[Clunge]

RAGING, ROLOLol!

[Narek, lol]

I decided to give these another chance so decided to listen to their first album. It's totally ace so far!:happy:

OMG another chance!!! That's "crazy diamonds" wants again with kids!!!123

[pubicmage]

OMG another chance!!! That's "crazy diamonds" wants again with kids!!!123

omg you're online! listen to them instead of Dream Theatre

[Clunge]

omg

[pubicmage]

omg

stop using gay fonts!

[Clunge]

ARIAL, lol

[pubicmage]

L-0-l

[Narek, lol]

Clunge, lol!!!!

[Clunge]

u suk lol

[Narek, lol]

and u swallow, lol

[pubicmage]

prog is shit, lol

[Clunge]

rong

[Narek, lol]

Prog, rawks

Dream Theater pwns!!!

[Clunge]

dam rite lol

[pubicmage]

Dt sucks

Opeth rox! and Jay should be unbanned, lol

[Clunge]

Opeth ftw

[Narek, lol]

Scenes from a Memory, pwns!!!, lol

[pubicmage]

Blackwalter Park > Anything by Dream Theatre.

[Clunge]

troo dat

[pubicmage]

troo dat

FUK YES, MUTHAFUKA

[Bradass]

Dream Theater suck.
Well, except Strange Deja Vu

[Bradass]

and for the record, BRAPP!

[Narek, lol]

Dream Theater suck.
Well, except Strange Deja Vu

So they suck for every other song and swallow for Strange Deja Vu, wawaweewah

[pubicmage]

and for the record, BRAPP!

http://www.chuckbryant.com/Concerts/images72dpi/Crimson1_Fripp.jpg

[Narek, lol]

The greatest album of all time is by the Rapers, Boltok the Rapist (lead singer and guitar) can play a 480 bpm solo while raping a girl, doggystylezzz

[Bradass]

http://www.chuckbryant.com/Concerts/images72dpi/Crimson1_Fripp.jpg

I do believe this means you win the thread.

[Bradass]

The greatest album of all time is by the Rapers, Boltok the Rapist (lead singer and guitar) can play a 480 bpm solo while raping a girl, doggystylezzz

There be hax and majixorz afoot!

[Narek, lol]

lol, calm down I mean no harm

[pubicmage]

I do believe this means you win the thread.

Fripp wins EVERYTHING

do you like ELP? I like ELP.

http://mitkadem.homestead.com/files/ELP/ELP_Love_Beach.jpg

[Narek, lol]

ahahah xxxxxxxxx

[Bradass]

Fripp wins EVERYTHING

do you like ELP? I like ELP.

http://mitkadem.homestead.com/files/ELP/ELP_Love_Beach.jpg

I am unfamiliar with this "ELP" of which you speak, though I do find their album art wildly amusing.

[pubicmage]

it's THE definitive prog album

do you want a high resolution screen-stretching version?

[Narek, lol]

Yes he will probably appreciate it more!!

[pubicmage]

sexy art. this type of thing would boost Muse's popularity if they tried it

http://backe81.50g.com/emerson_lake_and_palmer_-_love_beach_-_front.jpg

[Bradass]

I find myself deeply disturbed yet strangely aroused...

[christoph]

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=65693

i knew it! rumours are for Reading too

FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

[Truth_and_Smiles]

Thats unbelievable! Now all we need is Soundgarden back together to make the world perfect. Seriously, world peace would instantly occur.

[Knightofcydonia]

I bought Rage Against the Machine on Saturday for a fiver. What a bloody good album, sounds fresh, considering it was released in '92.

[red]

HOLY FUCK CUNTS THEY ARE REUNITING FOR COACHELLA!!!

Rage Against the Machine, the seminal L.A. band that made heavy music into political manifesto, will reunite after a seven-year lull for one show as the headliners at the 2007 Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival.
ZOMG!! (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/music/la-et-coachella22jan22,1,6747076.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews)

[greg]

w00t. fingers crossed for reading eh.

[pubicmage]

Has this actually been officially confirmed or is it just a rumour?

[christoph]

officially confirmed. but just for Coachella at the moment, more festivals will be added i imagine.

[Clunge]

Gawd, they HAVE to do one or two UK shows, otherwise I'll just kill myself now :( .

[Bewilders]

Gawd, they HAVE to do one or two UK shows, otherwise I'll just kill myself now :( .
Same. :( Bellends.

[Imperium]

shittin hell, im genuinely shocked! :eek:

[gazgriff]

the official rage against machine website have confirmed there reformation

[greg]

yep;

http://www.coachella.com/poster/web480.jpg

they better do a UK show.

[CelticKnight]

I bet 10p it's for one night, and one night only.

Don't forget, they split up for a reason.

[christoph]

yeah, because they couldn't write anymore music together. doesn't stop them playing the old stuff together tho. they were always on good terms according to reports.

[Teh Man v1.2]

RATM Re-uniting? You know this is going to be a good year.

I severely doubt they will play anything outside of Coachella though, if they ever made dates down in the UK I will be straight on the blower.

[mr.jingles]

They were doing good with Audioslave

Why go back to reform a shitty band when you have one that is miles better?

[Clunge]

They were doing good with Audioslave

Why go back to reform a shitty band when you have one that is miles better?
Get. Out. Now.

[Wowee Zowee]

Zack probably wants some money:LOL:

oooh the irony.

[ducksquackmuse]

I reckon they'll do a date...

[GorkerMorker]

I bet 10p it's for one night, and one night only.

Don't forget, they split up for a reason.

They split up because Zach didn't want Renegades to be released and the rest of the band released it behind his back.

They can write together, they can play together, i hope mr fucking chris fucking cornell goes on solo tour so we can have zach back.

[Britrock]

They were doing good with Audioslave

Why go back to reform a shitty band when you have one that is miles better?
=O

You WHAT? Audioslave pale badly in comparison to Rage. One is one of the defining bands of the 90s, the other is just, well, a bit shit, really.

[Humphrey Goldenbollocks]

yep;

http://www.coachella.com/poster/web480.jpg

they better do a UK show.

holy shit, that's a fucking awesome line up! :eek:

[Clunge]

holy shit, that's a fucking awesome line up! :eek:
I guarentee you it will eclipse every UK line-up this year :( .

[Mark]

I guarentee you it will eclipse every UK line-up this year :( .

That is unless we get all of Rage so pissed that they wake up in Reading and just say 'Fuck it, might as well.'

[Clunge]

Troo.

[Mark]

I just giggle at imaging all these posh English people just going 'You've got a bullet in your head!' :LOL:

[0ptriX]

Oh my Christ I hope they stay together. Unlikely, but.. :[

[Imperium]

They were doing good with Audioslave

Why go back to reform a shitty band when you have one that is miles better?

probably because, despite how good audioslave are, ratm will always come off better than them, ratm are one of the greatest modern bands in my opinion who served a definate purpose and regardless if you agree with their views or not, they deserve respect for being so open with theirs and opening peoples eyes.

[destructiveaesthetic]

$290 poorer but I'm seeing Rage.

[Imperium]

worth it :)

[mr.jingles]

probably because, despite how good audioslave are, ratm will always come off better than them, ratm are one of the greatest modern bands in my opinion who served a definate purpose and regardless if you agree with their views or not, they deserve respect for being so open with theirs and opening peoples eyes.

Opening people's eyes to what?

For those who have their eyes TRULY wide open, RATM comes across as a bunch hypocrites for being anti-corporate and yet putting more money on the deep pockets of Sony music executives. Talk about giving more power to the machine.
Artists who shove their extreme political propaganda will always in the end up showing what a bunch of idiots they are.

Their political message is as ignorant and politically biased as the extreme right wing country stars who cashed in on the post 9/11 patriotism by releasing pro-war songs.

[Clunge]

What about us who don't give a crap about the politics?

I love the riffage :D .

[Truth_and_Smiles]

I think their political message is reasonable...and it doesn't matter if they are on sony or whatever...that lets them reach more people. Similar examples are Pink Floyd and Radiohead. America is deeply fucked up, and Rage make a lot of really good points about that. You might disagree with their beliefs (I do to an extent), but that doesn't mean they are ignorant.

[RadioBread]

tbh what bands say is a total sideshow for me, i hear the music then hear about them. if rage want to be anti bush pro whatever then let them as long as they keep doing killer riffs i am happy as larry.

[christoph]

yes, but some people can see the hypocrisy in the music. if that's there, then people are turned off by it. i can see why people would be put off, but i've never been that fussed on what rage have been saying, but i know what they're about.

don't you think it's a stupid way to look at music, when all you want is killer riffs to be happy as larry? am i just being a prick, or can anyone else see fault there?

i'd pay an arm and a leg to go see them live (maybe).

[Clunge]

I don't think it's stupid at all.

I love teh simplicity of Rage's music, riffs + rap = perfect combo.

I take no interest at all in what Rage are saying and I'm not about to go and look into it, I have my political views and such and I'm not in a position where I am going to get worked up about what a band is saying.

S'all about the music, not the meaning for me at least ;) .

[Truth_and_Smiles]

Well I cant listen to music and ignore the lyrics...its like just listening to the drums if you do that as far as i'm concerned- you aren't listening to all the song. Maybe thats why I cant get into bands with terrible lyrics like Tool, Incubus, AC/DC, Smashing Pumpkins or Dream Theatre.

[christoph]

i think i just find it surprising how lyrics mean nothing to people.

[Truth_and_Smiles]

Me too...its really wierd.

[christoph]

i like Tool's lyrics, altho Maynard can be a bit too pappy being the romantic he is. i particularly like the lyrics to Schism, and Lateralus which have great effect.

he's been known to write some great lines, a lot can be found on wings for marie part 2.

"None of them could even hold a candle up to you
Blinded by choices, hypocrites
Won't see
But enough about the collective judas"

toight.

[Clunge]

It's not the case with every band, I just see vocals and lyrics as superfluous, the vocals act more like an extra instrument for me rather than a separate, I don't know, 'entity' or message.

Suffice to say, I don't pour over the lyrics for their meanings or views, it's just part of the instrumental sound of the song as a whole.

[christoph]

i just find a lot of the power behind songs come from the meaning, or the lyrics. sometimes i find the music is second nature to the vocals (tool), where i don't really mind if the music isn't that impressive, as long as it is good enough to hear his message. muse have always been a band when the lyrics don't mean that much, because i find no relation, or they are just simply bad. matt's voice is the 4th instrument in the band (or is it 1st? ohh). starlight has been one of matt's few examples of great lyrics, even if most view it as way too soppy. i love it.

clunge, it certainly explains your love of prog, as 90% of lyrics from prog bands are absolute balls haha.

[Clunge]

clunge, it certainly explains your love of prog, as 90% of lyrics from prog bands are absolute balls haha.
Hehe, too true :LOL: .

Though I must say, Rage lyrics are the best for screaming at the top of your voice, especially for tone deaf people like me :happy: .

[mr.jingles]

I think their political message is reasonable...and it doesn't matter if they are on sony or whatever...that lets them reach more people. Similar examples are Pink Floyd and Radiohead. America is deeply fucked up, and Rage make a lot of really good points about that. You might disagree with their beliefs (I do to an extent), but that doesn't mean they are ignorant.

The difference here is that neither Pink Floyd or Radiohead shove down political ideas down your throat to tell you that the extreme left is correct and everybody else is wrong.

When you think of it, pretty much every single rock band has made anti-capitalist or anti government corruption comments in at least one song. The difference between RATM and other bands, is that the other bands tell you what's fucked up but they don't patronize the use of violence as the only way to achieve justice and equality.
For instance, U2 condemns the constant violation of human rights on their songs, but they have never told anyone to let their anger out and fight the system through the use of force.

[Gemsy]

I couldn't give a toss about lyrics, you're missing the point. Which is riffs. :yesey:

[Gemsy]

What about us who don't give a crap about the politics?

I love the riffage :D .

:LOL: you beat me to it
$290 poorer but I'm seeing Rage.

You bastard. :indiff:

[Gemsy]

Well I cant listen to music and ignore the lyrics...its like just listening to the drums if you do that as far as i'm concerned- you aren't listening to all the song. Maybe thats why I cant get into bands with terrible lyrics like Tool, Incubus, AC/DC, Smashing Pumpkins or Dream Theatre.

:stunned: There's a million bands I know with shite lyrics (well, one. Muse.), but I'd never put ANY of the bands you just said into that category. Well, maybe AC/DC & Dream Theater.
Are you a bit mental? :stunned:

[Fish Sauce]

I bought The Battle of LA over a year ago, but when I put it on it really wasn't what I was expecting (All I'd heard previously was Sleep Now in the Fire). Because of that I never listened to it again, apart from that song, but after hearing nothing but good about them and even Matt Bellamy saying that he'd pay thousands to see them, I chucked it on the computer. It's nothing like what I'd remembered.

The thing for me is that no matter how awesome the music is, I can't get past the singer if they're screaming (eg Mastodon, bloody good guitar but the singing ruined it for me). I just can't help it. For Rage though, it's not like what I thought it was, and it's actually pretty cool.

Should've listened to it more before.

[pubicmage]

Their first album is much, much better than The Battle of LA (which is very good, but not as consistent as the first album). The riffs on that album should be in the dictionary as the definition for "euphoria"!

[Mariann]

I like Killing In A Name but Im a bigger fan of Audioslave to be true..;)

[EvanMael]

I like Killing In A Name but Im a bigger fan of Audioslave to be true..;)

Audioslave are okay I suppose...


But Rage :happy:

[Fish Sauce]

Their first album is much, much better than The Battle of LA (which is very good, but not as consistent as the first album). The riffs on that album should be in the dictionary as the definition for "euphoria"!

Haha, I'll check it out then.

[0ptriX]

Rage Against The Machine discuss reunion
Guitarist Tom Morello says it was politically motivated

Rage Against The Machine guitarist Tom Morello has discussed the reunion of the band.

As previously reported the grunge heroes are set to reform for a one-off performance at Coachella festival, which takes place on April.

Guitarist Tom Morello said of the reunion, which sees the band play together for the first time since 2000, "Everybody's really into it. It's going to be exciting."

Morello said that the organisers have been attempting to get the band to reform for the festival "for as many years as they've had the festival".

The star said that there was a political element to the band getting back together.

He said: "Is it a coincidence that in the seven years that Rage Against The Machine has been away that the country has slid into right-wing purgatory? I think not.

"It occurred to all of us that the times were right to see if we can knock the Bush administration out in one fell swoop, and we hope to do that job well."

Morello told MTV that although Rage Against The Machine are playing one show, he wouldn't rule out the possibility of future activities.

http://www.nme.com/news/rage-against-the-machine/26197

he wouldn't rule out the possibility of future activities.
PLAY READING FESTIVAL FOR THE LOVE OF GOD



NME: "Grunge heroes" <-- ??

[Kazuya vs Ummagumma]

NME = Cunts

[Wowee Zowee]

i think i would of been excited about 5 years ago..but now its just dull.

[0ptriX]

i think i would of been excited about 5 years ago..but now its just dull.
I would be nowhere near as fussed if they just brought out albums, but I really really want to see them live. :[

[Wowee Zowee]

I would be nowhere near as fussed if they just brought out albums, but I really really want to see them live. :[
They are insanely good live as i witnessed at reading. But ive kind of moved on musically.
I'm sure they'll release a new album in the future..but it'll never live up to the old stuff.

[GorkerMorker]

When you think of it, pretty much every single rock band has made anti-capitalist or anti government corruption comments in at least one song. The difference between RATM and other bands, is that the other bands tell you what's fucked up but they don't patronize the use of violence as the only way to achieve justice and equality.
For instance, U2 condemns the constant violation of human rights on their songs, but they have never told anyone to let their anger out and fight the system through the use of force.

And that's exactely why i love rage against the machine. Here comes the hippy crypto commie!!

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Not exactly the most reliable source I know, and probably already posted, but Kerrang said that 'a source close to the band' says that Coachella is most definitely not a one-off.

I was jumping around the house with happiness and it's probably not even true

:happy:

[greg]

woohoo, gig of the year if it happens.

[DJ Stay]

I would definately go if I didn't have final exams the following day. The only good thing Audioslave did was put out their first album and thankfully they won't be making any more. I've seen Audioslave and saw them perform Bulls on Parade/Sleep Now in the Fire and Killing in the Name Of, and 3/4 of good ol' Rage just didn't cut it for me. I just wish I wasn't 10 years old when I started liking them.

[DJ Stay]

Rage adds more dates.
http://www.calendarlive.com/music/pop/la-et-rage24feb24,0,6591369.story?coll=cl-home-more-channels

[Mandy_]

Rage Against the Machine's reunion at this year's Coachella festival won't be a one-off after all. The rockers have made plans to join Wu-Tang Clan for three dates on this summer's Rock the Bells (tickets | music) hip-hop fest.
Rock the Bells is set to take place this July in New York City, and two California dates are set for August. Details are listed below.

"It's definitely our fans' dream billing," Chang Weisberg of Rock the Bells organizer Guerilla Union said in a statement. "It's a tremendous honor to have Rage Against The Machine (tickets | music) and Wu-Tang Clan perform together. I can't wait to announce the rest of the line-up for Rock the Bells. It's incredibly important to put some shine on quality hip-hop. The opportunity to galvanize the social and political consciousness of these groups is undeniable."

The festival's complete lineup is scheduled to be announced March 26; tickets go on sale March 31. Updates can be found at Guerilla Union's website or the Rock the Bells site.

Last month, Rage Against the Machine signed on to headline the closing night of Coachella in Indio, CA, April 29. The reunion helped the festival to sell out 80 days in advance, according to the Los Angeles Times. Sources told the paper that the quick sellout and the ticket scalping that followed were among the factors in the band's decision to add more shows, but the four gigs that have been announced are expected to be the only shows for RATM in 2007.

That's despite the fact that Rage members Tom Morello (guitar), Tim Commerford (bass) and Brad Wilk (drums) are free from their post-RATM project, Audioslave, since frontman Chris Cornell left the band earlier this month "due to irresolvable personality conflicts as well as musical differences."

The Audioslave breakup rumors started flying when Coachella announced that Morello, Commerford and Wilk would reunite with Rage frontman Zack de la Rocha for the first time since 2000.

In addition to regrouping with Rage Against the Machine, Morello is working on a solo project dubbed The Nightwatchman. He'll release his debut album, "One Man Revolution," on Epic Records April 24.






source:http://www.guerillaunion.com/

[GorkerMorker]

I also heared some rumours that Chris Cornell got pretty pissed of by it all, any links on that?

[DJ Stay]

On a positive note, Cornell told MTV that he thinks the reunion of Rage is a great thing and wonders if it will give the boys their rock fix...
http://www.sonybmg.com.au/news/details.do?newsId=20030829004238

And apparently this is the word on Cornell...Don't know how good the source is.
http://www.netmusiccountdown.com/inc/news_article.php?id=12176

[Minimum Deadstar]

AND their coming together again :D Tom Morrello is one of the best guitarists ever, no question.

[Superunknown]

Tom Morrello is one of the best guitarists ever, no question.

I agree with you.
RATM is one of my favourite band.I love their albums, expecially Battle of Los Angeles, RATM and Renegades...I hope they will add more tour dates and they will come to Italy...

[Mad_Clown]

they better come to england soon!

[Britrock]

Well, according to the last press release, the dates they've announced will be the only ones this year. So not looking hopeful. :(

[destructiveaesthetic]

I'm definitely going to Randall's Island for the hip-hop festival one, woo.

[Mandy_]

Me too.:D :D
I must admit though, I am not a huge fan, I mean, I love what I have heard thus far, but I'm really actually going with a friend of mine, but I am looking forward to the experience as its going to be pure chaotic pandemonium. I have got a lot of studying up to do with Rage as it would be a waste for a non-hardcore fan to attend.
But, I really don't mind, I watched the DVD the other day, and it was phenomenal:D

[Girlfixer!]

I've just watched some live videos of woodstock on youtube, and my fucking god they are phenomenal. They look absolutely amazing live.

[Muse_Brownie]

There is a posting on Rock the Bells but for Rage fans tickets are on sale already and it's looks like it will be awesome. I'm definitely going to this festival although I'm kinda apprehensive because it will be my first "hip-hop" concert experience.

I'm not sure what WuTang fans are like, but I'm pretty sure it will be a mostly "Coachella" crowd. Just cool people hanging out. :D

Here's the ticket information on the current dates. But I hope more dates are added.

http://www.ticketmaster.com/search?tm_link=tm_header_search&keyword=Rock+the+Bells

[Aneta]

:\mm/:

[Muse_Brownie]

:LOL: Exactly!

I'm so excited about Rage coming back!

[Judderman]

Rage for roskilde?? i think so! but they wont be... they should be! hah

[destructiveaesthetic]

Yeah I'm going to Rock the Bells...and Public Enemy are playing too! SO excited.

[insane_muser]

There is a posting on Rock the Bells but for Rage fans tickets are on sale already and it's looks like it will be awesome. I'm definitely going to this festival although I'm kinda apprehensive because it will be my first "hip-hop" concert experience.

I'm not sure what WuTang fans are like, but I'm pretty sure it will be a mostly "Coachella" crowd. Just cool people hanging out. :D

Here's the ticket information on the current dates. But I hope more dates are added.

http://www.ticketmaster.com/search?tm_link=tm_header_search&keyword=Rock+the+Bells

...I can be there in spirit :( :LOL:

[Muse_Brownie]

...I can be there in spirit :( :LOL:

Rage world tour!! Let's hope for it! :D

[Clunge]

Reunion show tomorrow, can't wait to see the setlist :happy: .

[Clunge]

'Testify'
'Bulls On Parade'
'People Of The Sun'
'Bombtrack'
'Bullet In The Head'
'Down Rodeo'
'Guerrilla Radio'
'Renegades Of Funk'
'Calm Like A Bomb'
'Sleep Now In The Fire'
'Wake Up'
'Freedom'
'Killing In The Name'

Funky.

[Judderman]

'Testify'
'Bulls On Parade'
'People Of The Sun'
'Bombtrack'
'Bullet In The Head'
'Down Rodeo'
'Guerrilla Radio'
'Renegades Of Funk'
'Calm Like A Bomb'
'Sleep Now In The Fire'
'Wake Up'
'Freedom'
'Killing In The Name'

Funky.


HOT Stuff! Theyre Alive :)

[Enemy]

That is a sweet setlist.

Rage are back.

:D

[kingcools]

any videos of that performance? couldnt find any on youtube ;/

[Enemy]

I can't see any videos being loaded yet. Give it another day maybe, we'll probably have something by then

[progmetalfan]

That is a pretty awesome setlist.

[Gemsy]

'Testify'
'Bulls On Parade'
'People Of The Sun'
'Bombtrack'
'Bullet In The Head'
'Down Rodeo'
'Guerrilla Radio'
'Renegades Of Funk'
'Calm Like A Bomb'
'Sleep Now In The Fire'
'Wake Up'
'Freedom'
'Killing In The Name'

Funky.
Fuck me. That's hawt. :stunned:

[Velouria]

I'd love to see them do Renegades of Funk live. It's a song I dance to every time without fail when I hear it in clubs. :yesey:

[Clunge]

Just replace Down Rodeo with The Ghost Of Tom Joad and you've got the perfect Rage set :happy: .

PLAY IN THE UK YOU FAGS!

[AndiamZer0]

Just replace Down Rodeo with The Ghost Of Tom Joad and you've got the perfect Rage set :happy: .

PLAY IN THE UK YOU FAGS!


woaahhh hold on a second..


Down Rodeo fucking rocks!

Just ADD Tom Joad. Then its perfect. ;)

[bkaa]

i was there last night, the best song was 'wake up'.

the crowd was fucking nuts LOL, i was up front and i had a hard time just being there X_X

[Muse_Brownie]

any videos of that performance? couldnt find any on youtube ;/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLCKvUhkvho

here is one but you'll get more from there! i LOVE this song. i want to fuck it and bring it home to mother!

[Wowee Zowee]

i bet they're loving the money they got paid to do it

;)

[Bradass]

i bet they're loving the money they got paid to do it

;)

Nice avatar

[Mad_Clown]

it would be awsome if at wembo, after they play MOTP, rage walk on and play the little maggie farm thing, then walk off never to be seen again!!!....well, not for ever, just for that gig

[Clunge]

That would categorically, suck.

Because it would waste Rage's present, if they were there, I'd chuck Muse out and see 3 hours of Rage.

[ducksquackmuse]

One of show at the Scala in London June 4th...I'm excited...

[greg]

The Nightwatchman you mean?

[Judderman]

One of show at the Scala in London June 4th...I'm excited...

tom morello only its, not rage against the machine.

[DJ Stay]

http://www.ratm82407.com/
The countdown begins...they're supposedly having a reunion gig in West Troy, Wisconsin on this date, and possibly the start of a full tour maybe.

[slipperypoo]

We will get emailed on monday i guess heh.

It would be the best thing ever if they re-united and came to the UK. Mainly because my mates just spent loads of money to go to coachella and have been bragging about it ever since. The best thing ever. EVER.

TURN THAT SHIT UP, MOTHER FUCKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRR!!!!!!!!!

[kingcools]

i think the countdown stands for the release of a single and the other one for an album!

[GorkerMorker]

i think the countdown stands for the release of a single and the other one for an album!

That would just be stupid to have two seperate counters for a single and an album.

The first one is the gig already, and the second one will be the single OR album.

[Firebaptist]

The second count down timer ends on the 24th August I believe... possibly single

[Bewilders]

I saw Tom Morello on the Jools Holland show Friday night!

I was well suprised. I didn't know he went solo !

[Firebaptist]

Damn! I missed it!

Was he good?

[Bewilders]

Damn! I missed it!

Was he good?
It was different. Just caught him by chance really.

He wasn't bad at all. As I said, different but what a caught of it was quite cool. Haha.

Zz5UPPEUzYI

This was the song he preformed.

[Firebaptist]

That's pretty cool actually :happy:



I've also heard rumours that Rage are going to be playing Reading/Leeds this year... :erm:

[Bewilders]

That's pretty cool actually :happy:



I've also heard rumours that Rage are going to be playing Reading/Leeds this year... :erm:
Yeah, it's quite cool.

Then again, Tom Morello never fails to impress me.

7Mz-GR-n-AU

Check his acoustic version of Gurella Radio! :LOL:



And nah, that was a rumour.

[Firebaptist]

I know it was a rumour.... but I've been told that Rage can't play any festivals in Europe because of the Reading show... :erm:


That's an awesome acoustic version! :LOL:

[Bewilders]

I know it was a rumour.... but I've been told that Rage can't play any festivals in Europe because of the Reading show... :erm:


That's an awesome acoustic version! :LOL:
Hmm, I dunno then. :erm: I hope not, because I'm not going !!

Haha, it sure is. :happy: